10:18 The Book of the Damned
We dive into Season 10, Episode 18 The Book of the Damned! We cheer the return of Charlie and boo the return of more Winchester lies! Lore continues the trials of the Witch of King's Cross, Rosaleen Norton, focusing on Australian vagrancy laws. It ties in, we promise, kinda.
Transcript
On this week's episode of Double Strap podcast, the boys are back in town and they have found Charlie and a.
Speaker B:Book that won't shut up.
Speaker A:Metatron and his new love of digestion.
Speaker B:And Cass needs a Red Bull.
Speaker B:It's not ironic.
Speaker A:Let's do.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:And I'm Liz.
Speaker B:We're Talking about Season 10, Episode 18, King Book of the Damned.
Speaker A:It's old enough to vote.
Speaker B:It's weird.
Speaker A:What the Book of the Damned was gonna vote.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't know what party they vote for.
Speaker B:Let's not have that debate.
Speaker B:So how are you?
Speaker B:What have you been up to?
Speaker A:I'm good.
Speaker A:I just got back from gallivanting to.
Speaker A:To the Oregon gallivanting.
Speaker B:In the nature.
Speaker A:In the nature and the high desert of central Oregon, which is very disconcerting for people who are from humid climates, because no matter, like, how much you expect the desert, like, you just don't.
Speaker A:You can't expect it until, like, all the moisture has just been sucked from your lips and your face and you're like, oh, I am this old, huh?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But the middle of the middle of Oregon, like, Oregon's kind of like Texas.
Speaker A:Like, I bet, like, when they have, like, their Oregon history class, they had to have a Texas or, like, the science class, or we had to learn about how, like, seven.
Speaker A:Texas had, like, seven different ecosystems.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker A:I think Oregon's the same.
Speaker A:So, like, the middle of Oregon, where Bend is and where Newberry National Monument, Deschutes Forest is, like, a lot of that is high desert.
Speaker A:So that is why it is the only place in Oregon with rattlesnakes.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker A:But this time I did not see any rattlesnakes.
Speaker A:And when we're hiking by rivers, I didn't have.
Speaker A:I didn't have to worry about snakes falling out of trees.
Speaker A:And that's a really nice lake.
Speaker A:I mean, you still to look at the ground for snakes, but not having to look in the trees for them too is.
Speaker A:Is really calming.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:I got some nice hiking done, even though the main place that I wanted to go to was still closed for winter.
Speaker A:And it was really hard to tell.
Speaker A:Shockingly, the national park's website was screwed up, and I couldn't figure out that the.
Speaker A:The road to the craters that I wanted to go to was so closed first.
Speaker A:But I got to drive up through, like, the.
Speaker A:The craters and with all the snow around me and stuff which was kind of fun.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, yeah, I went and saw some bands playing Bend, and one band with her name is Alex Leahy, and she's from Australia.
Speaker A:So when I bought a shirt from her, like a completely Norma person, I had to tell her about Rosalind Norton, the witch of King's Cross that we'll talk about later on in this episode.
Speaker A: arrested for obscenity in the: Speaker A:And they were looking at me like I was crazy.
Speaker A:But I did see her go to her phone and immediately start looking her up.
Speaker A:So I think I sent her down a rabbit hole and taught her that.
Speaker A:And I also saw Laura Jane Grace, who is playing with Everybody's called.
Speaker B:Called now Mississippi, Mississippi Medicals.
Speaker A:Mississippi Medicals.
Speaker A:And so that's a guy from Drive By Truckers.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then her wife, Paris, who's just.
Speaker A:Nobody should be that hot.
Speaker A:Well, like, she had on, like, this bondage gear that, like, no person should be able to wear without having, like, rolls of stuff like this.
Speaker A:It shouldn't make you look squished.
Speaker A:And she's just like, look at me.
Speaker A:I'm just kidding.
Speaker A:She was gorgeous.
Speaker A:And it was a super fun show.
Speaker A:And everybody is really nice.
Speaker A:Like, everyone in Oregon is.
Speaker A:It's just that air.
Speaker A:That area of Oregon, it's very.
Speaker A:It's very similar to being.
Speaker A:I don't know why I leave my.
Speaker A:Leave my area to go to.
Speaker A:Let's go to another place that's like the hill country, where you have a mix of weird hippies and liberals and Trump people, and everyone just kind of gets along because they want to do other Mean Bend is really cool for that.
Speaker A:And it's just, you know, so it's a nice place to go hang out.
Speaker A:It's nature just show shows off everywhere.
Speaker A:Just like, look at me.
Speaker A:And she's like, look, I'm a Baldi doll.
Speaker A:Just flying around.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, I did some horseback riding and, you know, immediately got on a horse and my dental implant fell out.
Speaker A:I'm, like, trying not to cough on it.
Speaker B:Yeah, don't gag.
Speaker B:Don't throw up.
Speaker A:And I had the world's, like, slowest horse.
Speaker B:What was your horse's name?
Speaker A:Cow Pass.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:Cow something.
Speaker A:Cow Camp.
Speaker A:Cow Camp was my horse's name.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:And we were in the middle of the pack.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:But they had to keep yelling at.
Speaker B:Me to squeeze my horse because she was too slow.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:She just wanted to walk and slow pace.
Speaker A:And I'm like, look, I'm not pushing her.
Speaker B:Like, I'm quite comfortable with this pace.
Speaker A:I'm quite comfortable with this.
Speaker A:And then, you know, occasionally she would catch up and then they'd be like, good job.
Speaker A:And cow camp.
Speaker A:I'm like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I can't actually ride if I want to.
Speaker A:I just don't want to.
Speaker A:Things fall out of my mouth and.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm fine.
Speaker A:So that was also, like, through the desert, you know, there's, you know, eagles flying around and.
Speaker B:Neat.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All sorts of pretty things.
Speaker A:So that was.
Speaker A:That was my fun adventure last week.
Speaker A:Main highlights of.
Speaker B:And, you know, and all the books.
Speaker A:And I came.
Speaker A:I had to buy the bag because there's a bunch of really good independent bookstores there.
Speaker A:And so, shockingly, they had a bunch of books about stuff I like, so I brought books home.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:That's fun.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So what about you?
Speaker B:Well, since we've.
Speaker B:Since we have officially.
Speaker B:Since we've been.
Speaker B:Yeah, I had my knee surgery and it went well and.
Speaker A:No, we talked about it last time because, remember, you were high.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker B:No, yeah, we did.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:I just had it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, so I started physical therapy and I didn't.
Speaker B:Haven't been doing too much other than that.
Speaker B:I mean, because I kind of, like, had to, like, leg low a little bit.
Speaker B:And then I've just been really busy and then I got a cold, so I went and ate at my favorite restaurant with some friends and had some beers.
Speaker B:That's all I've done.
Speaker B:Like, I haven't been.
Speaker B:Like, I haven't been to a concert.
Speaker A:That is amazing.
Speaker A:That was pretty surprising that you've not been to a concert.
Speaker B:I did technically go to one since we recorded, because I went after.
Speaker B:I went and I carried.
Speaker B:I used a cane and it had sparkles on it.
Speaker B:But I didn't stay.
Speaker B:I got to see a couple bands.
Speaker B:I got to see the Suffers and Abraham Alexander, and it was fun.
Speaker B:And then I had to go ice my knee, so.
Speaker B:And not get yelled at by my husband for overdoing it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, many people will yell at you for overdoing it.
Speaker B:Yeah, you gotta have.
Speaker B:You gotta have that sometimes.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, I've not just been hanging out.
Speaker B:That's all I got.
Speaker A:Oh, cool.
Speaker A:Well, it is.
Speaker A:We're in April springtime.
Speaker A:Not a whole lot is going on with our cast of folks.
Speaker A:They're going off on conventions.
Speaker A:Those things are all still happening.
Speaker A:Now, so let's get talking about the Book of the Damned.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So this was season 10, episode 18, and it also aired in April.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:So that's like 10 years, 20 years.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:How many years?
Speaker B:10, 15.
Speaker B:10 years.
Speaker B:My heart started bracing.
Speaker A:I'm like, it's, it's 20, 25.
Speaker A:So this is 10 years ago.
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker A:And this was directed by PJ Pesci, who we last saw direct in season nine, King of the Damned.
Speaker A:So they did King of the Damned.
Speaker B:Book of the theme.
Speaker A:And this was written by Robbie Thompson.
Speaker A:We last saw this season with episode 11's there's no Place Like Home, which was a Charlie epis, I believe, and then episode five, fan fiction.
Speaker A:So by that hint, we'll also say Charlie episode as we start off with someone in a hoodie with a sword in a backpack.
Speaker B:And they're being followed by two dudes in an alley.
Speaker B:Who is it?
Speaker B:It's Charlie and this guy that's following her like he lost her.
Speaker B:And he pulls out this weird compass looking thing, this magic compass, and it spins around and then he puts it away and they pulls out a revolver, which is, you know, not, not most people's first choice of firearm in modern times in this kind of a situation.
Speaker B:Anyways, so has a sword.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know, it's all weird.
Speaker B:So either way, she has hidden in a dumpster and surprises them when they look in there to find her.
Speaker B:And she's asking why they're being followed.
Speaker B:Basically they want something that she's got in her bag.
Speaker B:So she has found something and they want it.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And I, I start by calling him an originals reject.
Speaker A:And the originals reject has told her that this book is belongs to his family.
Speaker A:And then he just starts talking about to her and it just sounds more condescending in his accent.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because he's got a pretty thick Louisiana, I would say, you know, I don't.
Speaker B:How would you go so far as say Creole?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's a Louisiana accent.
Speaker A:It's Bonobo originals, whatever.
Speaker A:Like dudes, it's a CW Louisiana accent.
Speaker B:But I like that she calls him Gambit.
Speaker B:I was deeply amused.
Speaker B:And yeah.
Speaker B:And she's like.
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:Anyways, he's threatening her and she's got him at knife point, but he manages to escape.
Speaker B:And so she runs and gets shot and runs away.
Speaker B:But she gets away.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But as he's doing, he yells at her, you can't run forever, little girl.
Speaker A:And that makes me want to Punch him.
Speaker A:And literally, I have so much fun throat punching in this episode.
Speaker A:And I'm just like, I want to throat punch him.
Speaker B:I'm just like, really?
Speaker A:Oh, that's so, like, condescending.
Speaker A:I think it's just his word.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:But, like, things like calling someone a little girl as she's running away.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:So we go from that to the Pitmobile.
Speaker A:And on the radio is Robert Singer introducing Ironic, which makes Metatron yap about the song and also makes me want to punch him in the throat.
Speaker A:See?
Speaker A:Told you.
Speaker A:Lots of throat punching.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Castiel is unimpressed, too, and he turns it off because he doesn't want to listen to it.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And this is when, you know.
Speaker B:Anyways, Metatron's Metatroning.
Speaker B:That's what he does.
Speaker B:But he's going off also about, like, how.
Speaker B:How having human feelings now he understands music.
Speaker B:And then he gets goosebumps.
Speaker B:And those are creepy yet arousing.
Speaker A:No, I've never been aroused by a goosebump.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Have you ever had goosebumps from being aroused?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:You can have goosebumps while being aroused, but you cannot be aroused by the goosebumps.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's weird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think that's a weird fetish.
Speaker A:I mean, you.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:If you're into that, I mean, I guess go rub chicken skin or something.
Speaker A:Or my arms is okay.
Speaker A:But so, anyhow.
Speaker A:So he keeps being gross.
Speaker A:And Cass called Sam, and it's just like, hey, can I just kill him now?
Speaker B:Yeah, he does.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no.
Speaker B:I'm still researching Mark of Kane, though, so please don't do that yet.
Speaker B:And so Metatron asks, you know, why they would even want to cure Dean at.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:Because he just got interesting.
Speaker B:So Castiel punches him in the fucking face.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker A:Thank you for doing that for us.
Speaker A:We appreciate it, Cass.
Speaker A:We all wanted to punch him in the face.
Speaker B:So anyways, Dean walks in, so Sam.
Speaker A:Has to hang up, and then Cass punches him again.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Castiel is big mad in this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Cass has got some issues.
Speaker A:So during this opening scene, we see that Dean is wearing a gray hoodie.
Speaker A:And according to Robbie Thompson, this is because there was a scene whereas Dean was working out.
Speaker A:And however this was cut, which makes me sad because I missed the montage of Dean working out in fandom.
Speaker A:Though Dean wearing a hoodie is associated with the episode Season 1, Episode 12, Faith, when Dean wore Sam's brown hoodie when he was dying, it has become associated with hurt.
Speaker A:Dean.
Speaker A:And there is a comm for Dean Hurt slash comfort fiction called Hoodie time.
Speaker A:Oh, thank you Supernatural Wiki.
Speaker A:So Dean comes in in his hoodie and he tells Sam that the mark is a curse.
Speaker B:And I think he's like btw, sorry, I probably should have mentioned this before, but now I know this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think dear Petalecki is really working on Sam's what face in this episode.
Speaker A:Sam's like.
Speaker B:He was a lot of like what the faces like.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of that for sure.
Speaker B:And so, and, and he even's like, yeah, Rowena told me.
Speaker B:And he's like, oh, by the way, you probably need to know who Rowena is because he's left all of this out.
Speaker B:They have not been around.
Speaker B:Apparently they have had no time between episodes to have any conversations about anything pivotal at all.
Speaker A:He had to shower, so he had to work out in his gray hoodie.
Speaker A:So he tells Sam that Rowena thinks Crowley is going soft and that she is also Crowley's mother.
Speaker A:And Sam goes, what?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then the phone rings.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's Charlie.
Speaker B:And she is at a pay phone.
Speaker B:She's exhausted and bloody and in a phone booth which she didn't even know existed anymore because she got shot.
Speaker B:But she learned that dental flosses can be used for stitches.
Speaker B:And her wound is now moon te fresh.
Speaker A:And she has dug up the Book of the Damned in a burnt out monastery in Spain.
Speaker A:But she's never seen anything like the language.
Speaker A:She did find some notes in the monastery crypt by the friar who buried it.
Speaker A:And she's pretty sure that it's a spell book and if they translate it, they can probably get the mark off Dean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so right now she's somewhere south of Des Moines, Iowa.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, cool, there's a bunch of like hunter safe houses around there.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Okay, I guess.
Speaker B:And so he tells her to go to one of those.
Speaker A:I think it's Bobby and his cabin.
Speaker B:Multiple.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:It was weird.
Speaker B:And then so she is like, cool.
Speaker B:Brings snacks and all of your Men of Letters decoder books.
Speaker A:And in the bunker, Dean has found a lead lined warden box.
Speaker A:It was a very nifty thing to have hanging around your bunker.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:I mean it also seems very sensible to have in a place, I think all those creepy, creepy books.
Speaker A:I think you should have more of them.
Speaker A:And those objects in there should probably be in the boxes.
Speaker A:That's just my thought.
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker B:And so he's got that and Sam's got the box o research and as they get on the road to go meet Charlie, we get treated to Dean being.
Speaker B:Getting hyped up listening to some Thin Lizzie.
Speaker A:Oh, it's in Lizzie.
Speaker B:The boys are back in town.
Speaker A:The only band from Ireland that matters.
Speaker B:Just kidding.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:Sam's kind of like, actually.
Speaker A:Are one of the few.
Speaker A:Besides you two.
Speaker A:They're one of the few Irish fans that really crossed over.
Speaker A:And he's really the.
Speaker A:There's some.
Speaker A:Anyways, so Dean thinks that they are overdue for a win.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so he's just like, he is ready.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, really?
Speaker B:I don't know about this.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, yeah, we're gonna get this taken care of.
Speaker B:And then we're going on vacation.
Speaker B:Sand between the toes, Sammy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean has become very optimistic.
Speaker A:All for him.
Speaker A:All of a sudden.
Speaker A:We've never seen Dean as optimistic.
Speaker A:And Sam is just like, rawr.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna make this face again.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Confused face.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Shock and confusion face, Sam.
Speaker A:And so the boys are back in town.
Speaker A:And then we go to a diner.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Castiel is watching Metatron eat a big old stack of waffles topped with whipped cream and berries.
Speaker B:And quite frankly, they do look delicious.
Speaker A:They look delicious.
Speaker B:I was like, yeah, I'm into this, too.
Speaker B:Thanks.
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:Now we've had our music conversation.
Speaker B:Metatron is discussing about food now and about how words never really gave it the same.
Speaker B:Gave it its due.
Speaker B:And he says, O me.
Speaker B:Which is disgusting.
Speaker B:But also.
Speaker B:Is that implying.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:I mean, Hannah's taken over heaven.
Speaker B:Kind of.
Speaker B:We get to that a little bit.
Speaker B:Confirmed in a minute.
Speaker B:But, like, is he still, like, kind of, sort of.
Speaker B:God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, that's.
Speaker B:I was confused about that.
Speaker A:Metatron.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's just his ego.
Speaker A:He's just saying something stupid.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:But then he's also talking about how digestion is magical.
Speaker B:It goes in here and it comes out here.
Speaker A:I mean, if you've ever.
Speaker A:You're having to explain to an alien how to take a.
Speaker A:I'm sure would be something pretty interesting.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then he starts just kind of nagging on Cass about whether or not he misses having human feelings.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's like, what are you.
Speaker B:And Castiel is very dismissive.
Speaker B:He's like, we're not friends.
Speaker B:This is not whatever you think it is.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:You know, by the way, you killed my friend.
Speaker B:So we're never gonna be friends.
Speaker B:Thanks.
Speaker B:And then he's like, Also, we've been going to these safe houses that you've made me go to to find my Grace, and there isn't.
Speaker B:So are you a liar or is a stall?
Speaker B:And Metatron's like, well, you know, I mean, what.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What do you expect from me?
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:Because as soon as I don't have a value, you're going to kill me.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But now he's got to go to the bathroom.
Speaker B:And so Meta's got to be escorted by Castiel because he's handcuffed.
Speaker B:And they're gonna go to the truck stop bathroom together and.
Speaker B:Or diner.
Speaker A:The magic of digestion.
Speaker A:But as they're walking through, you see all these amazing atomic starbursts that are along the wall of this diner.
Speaker A:Where the.
Speaker A:Did you find those?
Speaker B:So cute.
Speaker B:Such a cute diner.
Speaker B:And they got a trucker dude that's watching them that has an Angel Blade.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That he just casually has in his jacket, flashing it.
Speaker A:And he's like, hey, hey, wanna see this?
Speaker A:And also make it uncomfortable when you sit down.
Speaker A:Isn't that poking him in the leg?
Speaker A:Because those angel blades are not short.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And it's like, you wouldn't be able to wear that.
Speaker B:Just like a regular vest.
Speaker B:You'd have to have, like, something custom made, like a sheath inside your vest.
Speaker B:It'd be a thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not just for your regular chucker.
Speaker A:Chucker jacket.
Speaker A:So we've got Angel Blade, dude.
Speaker A:And then we go to the cabin in the woods.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam and Dean have arrived.
Speaker B:Charlie is there, passed out on a book, because of course she is.
Speaker B:And so they ask us.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:Everybody greets each other.
Speaker B:And they go in and she starts sharing what she has learned about the Book of the Damned, which, as I.
Speaker A:Remind you, is a book that's sitting on my shelf back there.
Speaker A:And it's not really that scary.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It's just a really weird book.
Speaker A:So Charlie, though, tells him about this book at the dam and tells him about a nun who locked herself away after having visions of darkness.
Speaker A:And each darkness, each page is a slice of her own skin and is written in her blood.
Speaker A:So it's a biohacker.
Speaker B:How long is this book?
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:There was a lot of skin there, but I'm like, is it just like she took, like, a piece of her skin and then like, blended it in with, like, some lamb skin?
Speaker A:Because, you know, like, really, like, parchment.
Speaker A:All that stuff is just sheep skin.
Speaker A:Literal.
Speaker A:But, like, you.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:She just taking, like.
Speaker B:Well, this One, I guess, losing the upper thigh today for page 10.
Speaker A:They were.
Speaker A:There were some pretty big pages in there.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:So, like, she got big ass.
Speaker A:Like, where was she getting.
Speaker B:How do you get the back skin?
Speaker B:How do you get that yourself?
Speaker B:Can you get call friends?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:Oh, like a mandolin.
Speaker B:You, like, lay on it, like.
Speaker A:Gross.
Speaker B:Oh, your version, to be clear, the version on your shelf is not on human skin and written in human blood, to our knowledge.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So Dean, though, when he gets the hold of this book, he goes wonky.
Speaker B:Yeah, he gets it.
Speaker B:Makes him real.
Speaker B:He makes him stare super hard.
Speaker B:Very intense.
Speaker B:Very intense.
Speaker A:He's very horny for this book.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And she's sharing still.
Speaker B:This book's been used by cults, covens, and even the Vatican.
Speaker B:They've got a spell for everything.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, yeah, this book is not good for me to hold, so you should probably take it from me.
Speaker B:And so he walks away.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, yeah, Charlie, by the way, Dean's not getting better because you didn't notice by that weirdo freak out.
Speaker A:The thing that just happened.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Cassiel and Metatron leave through the back door of the diner, which is weird.
Speaker B:And in the alley are armed Trucker.
Speaker A:Our trucker is there.
Speaker A:And he's not.
Speaker A:He's not an angel.
Speaker A:He's a very angry, angry Cupid.
Speaker A:This is a new app.
Speaker A:It's in the Book of Cupid.
Speaker A:It's angry, Angry Cupid.
Speaker A:It's for your enemies.
Speaker A:It's Angry Dating.
Speaker A:It's a dating app for angry birds.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Or just a dating app for angry people.
Speaker B:I like being mad.
Speaker B:Be mad with me.
Speaker B:Anyways, so we got a big fight.
Speaker B:And Angry Cupid almost kills Castiel.
Speaker B:He gets the upper hand.
Speaker B:And Metatron kills the.
Speaker A:The angry Cupid.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Saving Cass.
Speaker B:Crazy.
Speaker B:Crazy, because Metatron could have run away, technically, but he did.
Speaker A:They could have, but he saved Cass, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, I still don't give a.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So back at the cabin, Charlie is showing Dean the sketch of the.
Speaker B:Of the dude's tattoo.
Speaker B:I just call him dude.
Speaker B:I don't know why I do that.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker B:What did you call him?
Speaker B:The Originals, dude.
Speaker B:Originals.
Speaker B:Originals, dude.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:His tattoo, which is like, the guy.
Speaker B:He's the douche clan that's following her.
Speaker A:For the book, which is very similar to the drawing for the crest for the Frankenstein family.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:And Sam is finding.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, Sam has discovered that this language the book is written in is an obscure Sumerian dialect.
Speaker B:And and she's like, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker B:We can.
Speaker B:But it doesn't make any sense still, because it's in code.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:And so Dean's like, yeah, y'all are nerds, so let's.
Speaker B:Why don't you.
Speaker A:Can't you decrypt anything?
Speaker B:Nerdiness to decrypt it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, I still want to this book.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:And Sam's, like, watching his face as he wants to the book.
Speaker B:And it's awkward.
Speaker A:Sometimes I want to books, too, but, you know.
Speaker A:So Sam puts it in the box.
Speaker A:Well, I like books.
Speaker B:No, it's fine.
Speaker B:I'm just like, the Dean book that.
Speaker B:This whole thing is weird.
Speaker B:Not you.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, I don't want to watch you a book either.
Speaker A:So, anyway, Sam puts it in the box.
Speaker A:So we go from there to the camp to the.
Speaker A:To the Campbell river store.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:I almost spit my water on the microphone.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So douche clan dude is at the.
Speaker B:At the store, and he's, like, got his weird compass thing out, but it's not working right.
Speaker B:So he knows that she has found a way to hide the book.
Speaker B:So we know that Dean's box is working.
Speaker B:And he says, all right, well, he's got his little henchmen.
Speaker B:And he's like, well, we need to start looking for this chick.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because he can still tell that they were on the book and her were on the road.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But so now Cass and Metatron go to a library after hours.
Speaker B:They have to break into a library, which is kind of rude.
Speaker A:It is rude.
Speaker A:And I will say.
Speaker A:However, they did build this library custom for the show.
Speaker B:Oh, really?
Speaker B:Neat.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:They put 20,000 books in it.
Speaker B:A lot of books.
Speaker A:I don't know what they do with them afterwards, but put 20, 000 books in there.
Speaker B:Oh, well, they ruined a lot of them.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And Metatron's like, yeah, nobody goes to libraries anymore.
Speaker B:This is the safest place in the world.
Speaker B:Isn't very nice.
Speaker B:But anyway, support your local library.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So beyond that, he is like, some.
Speaker A:I told an angel to hide that for me.
Speaker A:And he put clues in some of my favorite books, which also just makes me want to punch him in the throat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he doesn't know precisely where Cass's grace is because.
Speaker B:But they have to solve the riddle.
Speaker B:Annoying.
Speaker B:So Castiel agrees to take his handcuffs off to be successful.
Speaker B:And they find the first clue quite quickly.
Speaker B:And the clue is, what is the.
Speaker A:Maddest thing a man can Do.
Speaker A:And then the riddles are going to lead to another riddle.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:Metatron.
Speaker B:But he does say there's only one more.
Speaker B:There's not like.
Speaker B:It's not like a 20rle like thing.
Speaker B:That would be really annoying.
Speaker A:So you.
Speaker A:Your.
Speaker A:So we go from there to the cabin where apparently Charlie has time.
Speaker A:Had time to try every crypto algorithm in the world without me luck.
Speaker A:That's a lot on an ancient Sumerian dialect.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, so Dean has found out, though, about the group following her.
Speaker B:And it's the Stein family.
Speaker B:They're multi generational, centuries old.
Speaker B:That's the same thing, I think.
Speaker B:But they're just all kinds of wrong.
Speaker A:They can be multi generational, not be centuries old.
Speaker B:No, that's true, I guess.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B: off, like dating back in the: Speaker B:And they did spells to make disease, to disable markets and even help the Nazis before they got to power.
Speaker A:So Charlie equates them to being a supernatural dupont.
Speaker B:And he's like, all the spells in the book apparently are of unspeakable evil.
Speaker A:Evil.
Speaker B:Evil.
Speaker B:So, Sam.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And also when you use the book, that there is going to be a biblical price.
Speaker A:Because dark magic always has a cost.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Always.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And he's like, and the book is calling to me, by the way, which is super creepy, so maybe we don't use it.
Speaker A:So let's burn it.
Speaker A:Because books shouldn't call to people and it's calling to me, and that's bad.
Speaker A:Let's burn the book.
Speaker A:I'm never forwarding books.
Speaker A:But if a book is talking to.
Speaker B:You, maybe, maybe, maybe reconsider exceptions.
Speaker B:Exceptions can be made in the box.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then they're like, wait, are you giving up?
Speaker B:And because they think him wanting to burn the book is him abandoning the mission, he's like, no, no, I'm not giving up.
Speaker B:I'm going to keep fighting it.
Speaker B:But I'm to fight until.
Speaker A:Until.
Speaker A:No, no, I will still be the murderer.
Speaker A:I will.
Speaker A:I will be.
Speaker A:He's literally says, it's my crossover.
Speaker A:I will be your martyr.
Speaker A:But the book needs to be destroyed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I'm gonna go get snacks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker B:And they're like, that's just all there is to it.
Speaker B:So the hater thinks that that doesn't.
Speaker B:The book can't fall into the wrong hands, period.
Speaker B:Bye, snacks.
Speaker B:So Charlie's kind of like, maybe he's right.
Speaker B:Maybe we should listen to Dean on this one.
Speaker B:And Sam's Book is calling people.
Speaker A:Book is calling people.
Speaker A:Maybe, maybe we, we.
Speaker A:We listen to Dean saying, no.
Speaker B:Like, Dean's got this little bit of evil in him that he's trying to, like, fight really hard.
Speaker B:And it's a big challenge for him.
Speaker B:And he may lose to that battle one of these days.
Speaker B:And the evil Book is calling him.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I'm gonna say I'm with Dean on this one.
Speaker B:Maybe, maybe trust your instinct.
Speaker A:But Sam is like, did you see my hair?
Speaker A:No, we're gonna keep going.
Speaker A:This hair will not let me stop.
Speaker B:It's full of secrets.
Speaker B:So Metatron is monologuing at the library.
Speaker B:Because of course he is.
Speaker B:That's what he does because he likes to hear himself talk.
Speaker A:But he does give us some information as he's monologuing.
Speaker A:So we learned that Hannah has up in heaven running like clockwork.
Speaker A:So at least we're kind of like, okay, we know, like, things are.
Speaker A:We still don't understand about the soul thing that's happened.
Speaker A:Like, I'm so confused on that point.
Speaker B:Very confusing.
Speaker A:But I mean, Bobby was there.
Speaker A:So I guess, like, souls are back on normal.
Speaker A:The veil is open, I guess.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So heaven's working properly.
Speaker B:But he really wants to know.
Speaker B:But he points out that he doesn't really know what the fuck Castiel is anymore, which is an interesting thing since he doesn't really have his grace.
Speaker B:And he's kind of like not a full angel.
Speaker B:He's out down on Earth chasing rogue angels.
Speaker B:Like, kind of calls that out.
Speaker B:And what his mission is, like, what are you doing?
Speaker B:And Cassiel's, like, mad about this, which is probably a pretty good sign that it's hitting close to home.
Speaker B:Or he's just really tired of listening to Metatron, which either one could be hurricane those dose, so.
Speaker B:But what we see now is that Metatron has been using his blood from his bullet wound in his leg to write sigils all over the books, which.
Speaker A:Is just ruining books.
Speaker A:You're ruining books with your blood.
Speaker A:And then you have the nerve to quote Alanis Morissette as Cass is suffering.
Speaker A:Like, it's bad enough he's suffering, but now we're going back to more Alanis Morissette.
Speaker A:How dare you?
Speaker B:Yeah, so we've got him.
Speaker B:Whatever sigil spell he has called upon in his blood.
Speaker B:Writing on the books is making Cass choke on the floor.
Speaker B:And it is potentially ironic, don't you think?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:See, now we must be finished.
Speaker A:So we go from Alanis to the.
Speaker B:Cabin, back to the cabin, and Charlie wants to know what Sam means what Sam thinks Dean meant about Sam changing his mind in this earlier conversation.
Speaker B:So she has pieced together that.
Speaker B:Well, Sam explains all the.
Speaker B:That's gone down.
Speaker B:And then she is able to piece together what this all means.
Speaker B:And he's like, look, well, we had a chance to close the gates of hell, but I had to die.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:And I was okay with that, but Dean wasn't, so Dean saved me.
Speaker B:She's like, oh, so something that, you know you didn't want and you got mad and now you.
Speaker B:So you said something that hurt his feelings and that's where we're at.
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker B:Basically, they.
Speaker B:Their feelings hurt and they're not talking about it.
Speaker B:That's the summary.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But then Charlie does really kind of ponder.
Speaker B:Like, she shares.
Speaker B:She's like, I thought I was going to be like, you know, working.
Speaker B:I have my own startup and married ScarJo.
Speaker B:But instead I'm like, worried about not getting killed.
Speaker B:It's like a hunter.
Speaker B:So it's kind of a different.
Speaker B:Different perspective than I thought I'd be in my life right now.
Speaker B:And Sam shares about how when he got back on the road with Dean and this kind of a sweet conversation, because it starts off like your first.
Speaker B:You're like, we're gonna.
Speaker B:Let's rehash how Sam and Dean can't talk about their goddamn feelings.
Speaker B:But then now it's Sam's sharing, actually.
Speaker A:Talking about his feelings.
Speaker B:Well, he is now.
Speaker B:Well, not to each other.
Speaker B:Not to each other.
Speaker B:But he's like, yeah.
Speaker B:You know, when.
Speaker B:When Dean came and got me from school, it was supposed to be just one more job.
Speaker B:Then Jess died.
Speaker B:And then it was gonna be one more job.
Speaker B:And it was always just one more job before I went back to law and to my life.
Speaker B:And she calls him the Dread Pirate Roberts of hunting, which I very much appreciated.
Speaker B:And then Sam has realized, though, that hunting is his life.
Speaker B:So there's not another life to go back to.
Speaker B:And it has to be with his brother.
Speaker A:He just does not want to do it without Dean.
Speaker B:It's very sad.
Speaker A:Sweet.
Speaker B:They still need to talk to each other anyways.
Speaker B:So Metatron is after something else, not Cass's Grace.
Speaker B:And you as the viewer, are quite concerned that there's not a grace finding here at all for Cass.
Speaker B:But there is.
Speaker B:Because both meta finds a book that he's looking for that has a demon tablet in it and a book falls.
Speaker B:Or Cass is able to locate a book right then too, that also has his Grace in it.
Speaker A:Because Cass has realized that what Metatron is doing is reading quotes, right?
Speaker A:So Metatron pulls out a book and that quote has, what two things do you need to succeed in life?
Speaker A:And that's ignorance and confidence.
Speaker A:And that's a quote from Mark Twain and the original one about the maddest.
Speaker A:The maddest thing a man can do is from Don Quixote and take my advice and live for a long time.
Speaker A:Because the maddest thing a man can do in this life is to let himself die.
Speaker A:So that is why Cass's grace was in the Don Quixote book.
Speaker B:Makes sense.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And once he realizes, once Metatron realizes this, that Castiel has.
Speaker B:Has his grace back, Metatron tries to run for it.
Speaker B:And we see Cass consume the blue.
Speaker A:He eats his grace.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:And then he ruins the library.
Speaker B:He does.
Speaker B:There's a big white flash.
Speaker B:We get to see his wings growing back.
Speaker B:Real sad.
Speaker B:They look real.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Very multi.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're very.
Speaker A:Yeah, they.
Speaker A:They need some.
Speaker A:You know, what's the other one of those?
Speaker A:I don't know, but they really.
Speaker B:His little blue pill design.
Speaker A:Little blue pill for his wings.
Speaker A:Because they.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:He's a Red Bull and they just, you know, they're.
Speaker A:They just don't look the same.
Speaker B:But he has up this library.
Speaker A:He has.
Speaker B:Books are flying off shelves and they're.
Speaker A:Out of the pages.
Speaker A:Like, no librarian is going to be able to put those books back together.
Speaker A:They're going to have to go in the discard pile.
Speaker A:So it's so sad.
Speaker A:Oh, then I get books for cheap and free, which is how, you know, sometimes it's not too terrible.
Speaker A:So then we go back to the gas station from before, and our Steinman is at the counter when Dean comes in.
Speaker A:And Dean's just, like, not noticing there's a man in a suit behind the counter.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It doesn't stand out at all because.
Speaker B:Yeah, the guy at the rural.
Speaker A:I am often served in gas stations by men in su.
Speaker B:In rural areas.
Speaker B:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:Say rural again.
Speaker A:It's fun.
Speaker B:Rural.
Speaker B:Unnecessarily difficult word to say.
Speaker A:It's so hard to say.
Speaker B:But finally, finally, as the guy gives him a total without ringing anything up.
Speaker B:1575, Dean notices in the security mirror that there is a big puddle of blood and a dead clerk on the ground behind.
Speaker A:Oh, I will say this about Oregon.
Speaker A:There's no sales tax, so a lot of places just have, like, super round numbers when you get your check.
Speaker A:And it's very satisfying.
Speaker A:Just to be like, that will be $20, you know, and not like, yeah, so you don't have to get a pocket full of change.
Speaker A:It's very nice.
Speaker A:Anyhow, so Dean has handed over a 20 to this dude and sees his tattoo.
Speaker B:So now he's seen the dead body and the tattoo.
Speaker B:So now he knows this guy is the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:What did he call him?
Speaker B:The douche clan?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Anyways, so he pulls.
Speaker B:After he hands him the money, he pulls his gun and the guy's like, pissed, but he's like, don't you want your change?
Speaker B:And he throws the change in Dean's face.
Speaker B:And so it makes it, like, distracts him enough that his henchman, helper dude can grab Dean.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And then Steinman has a big ass knife and he's like, look at my big ass knife.
Speaker A:I don't know where I was hiding this, but I've got one.
Speaker B:Yeah, but he's like, also like, he doesn't know who Dean is.
Speaker B:He doesn't know who Dean Winchester is, which I think is interesting.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But he also sees that they're Winchesters yet.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So he's just a random dude.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:But he's like.
Speaker B:But he sees the mark and he's like, how'd you get that?
Speaker B:And, and so Dean calls out that he knows who this guy is and calls him, you know, Mr.
Speaker B:Stein.
Speaker B:He's like, oh, my friends calling me.
Speaker A:Got your number.
Speaker B:Got you.
Speaker B:And he guesses that the treats, all the snacks are for a redhead and that they.
Speaker B:And it's not coincidence, it is providence.
Speaker A:The Book of the Damned must be found because it wants to come home.
Speaker A:So now we know, like, again, the book that's calling somebody awesome also has a home.
Speaker B:It wants to go.
Speaker B:That's creepy.
Speaker B:The book is getting creepier.
Speaker A:It's getting a little creepy.
Speaker A:Makes me want it more.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So Jake also learned that Simon's name is Jacob.
Speaker A:And Jacob tells Dean that he is pretty sure that the book can help him remove his mark, but it's going to do more harm than good.
Speaker A:So you can't use the book.
Speaker A:Tell me where it is.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's real uncomfortable conversation.
Speaker B:But this just solidifies what Dean already believed about the book.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:This doesn't really change.
Speaker B:He has confirmed to Dean that yes, the book can remove the mark, which is.
Speaker B:I know what you got it for.
Speaker B:However, it's not worth it.
Speaker B:It'll be worse.
Speaker B:You'll be worse off for doing it.
Speaker B:So also, at this point, I am.
Speaker A:Really anthropomorphizing this book.
Speaker A:And I'm starting to think of it like a book in Harry Potter that has like, the fangs and the book for magical creatures.
Speaker A:That's how I'm picturing this book.
Speaker B:Not like the Necronomicon.
Speaker A:Necronomy.
Speaker B:That's where I was at.
Speaker B:I was going to Necronomicon.
Speaker A:Necronominom.
Speaker A:So he wants the book.
Speaker A:And Dean.
Speaker A:Mike gets free and he shoots the bald dude.
Speaker B:And a lot.
Speaker B:Like, a lot a lot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, he empties his magazine very clearly into this guy.
Speaker A:And also, I would like to say, just so you know, if you shoot somebody, they're gonna keep coming.
Speaker A:Like, people have adrenaline and stuff.
Speaker A:And it's something that you should be prepared for.
Speaker A:People don't go down immediately unless, like, you know, depending on where you shoot them.
Speaker A:So just be prepared that, like, people are gonna keep coming at you.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker B:But not necessarily that.
Speaker A:Like, not this many times.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Like a couple.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Not a full magazine.
Speaker B:That's kind of.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And especially not this.
Speaker A:45.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But he finally.
Speaker A:He finally goes down.
Speaker B:Yes, finally.
Speaker B:And Dean does not see where Jacob went.
Speaker B:But he can't call Sam and tell him what's going on because his phone has been broken in this melee.
Speaker B:So he hauls ass back to the cabin.
Speaker B:It's night time now.
Speaker B:He's like, the Steins have found me.
Speaker A:And they're all jacked up.
Speaker B:And they are jacked up.
Speaker B:So we're gonna pour a bunch of my artisanal holy oil into our fireplace.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Because we are going to burn the book.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:Yes, does.
Speaker B:It has a cure for the mark.
Speaker B:But it.
Speaker B:There is a price.
Speaker B:It's not worth it.
Speaker B:It's calling to me.
Speaker B:It's dangerous.
Speaker B:It wants me to take it and run away with it.
Speaker B:Burn it now.
Speaker A:He wants to marry me.
Speaker A:Let's burn the book.
Speaker A:He loves me.
Speaker A:He keeps calling me bae.
Speaker B:Wants me to take it and love it.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So the dudes break it.
Speaker A:And then Charlie fights and then Dean fights.
Speaker A:And then Charlie stabs the dude.
Speaker A:Then Dean breaks a chair over somebody, which is something I always want to do.
Speaker B:And as all this is going on, Jacob is watching Sam and calls him a silly boy as Sam is preparing to throw the book into the fire.
Speaker B:And anyways, and like they are as.
Speaker B:As he does this, Dean unloads his other.
Speaker B:That magazine into Jacob, who finally goes down.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:After.
Speaker A:While he was choking Sam.
Speaker A:And then everybody pants.
Speaker A:And then they look at the fire.
Speaker B:And Watch the book burn.
Speaker A:And then watch something burn.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so we cut from there back to the bunker.
Speaker A:And now Cass has come to the bunker and he is telling Sam that he feels selfish because he should have killed Meta because now Meta has the Demon tablet.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But Sam's also glad that, you know, that he's got his Grace back, because that's super important.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:And they are talking back and forth that.
Speaker B:And Cassiel tells Sam that Sam did the right thing.
Speaker B:That book did need to be destroyed.
Speaker A:Evil book.
Speaker A:Burn it.
Speaker B:Very evil.
Speaker B:Good call.
Speaker B:Well, Charlie and Dean return with pizza and food.
Speaker B:And apparently, I guess I hadn't realized that Charlie and Cass had never officially met.
Speaker A:They had never met.
Speaker A:This is the first time they get to meet.
Speaker B:So they.
Speaker B:They get to meet, and it's adorable.
Speaker B:And she has already heard that he got his mojo back and wants to know if he can cure Dean then.
Speaker B:But it's never that simple.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But she's like, well, can you cure my carpal tunnel?
Speaker B:And he boot heals her and heals that and her bullet wound, which is nice of him.
Speaker B:So they.
Speaker B:Dean wants to know how Castiel got his Grace back, though.
Speaker B:And so fucking Cass fucking lies.
Speaker B:Because him and Sam are in this habit now of lying a lot.
Speaker B:And he says that Hannah got the location of it from Metatron and Dean thinks it's great.
Speaker A:They were due for a win.
Speaker A:Cass is also lying and saying that he's at 100%.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that's going on.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But they're like, okay, we're gonna have some beers and eat some pizza and play some mash or Cootie catcher, whatever you wanted to call that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And listen to Behind Blue Eyes by the who.
Speaker B:But we get a voiceover because it's not all hunky dory beer and pizza, is it?
Speaker B:Is it, Liz?
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker B:More lies.
Speaker B:More lies.
Speaker B:We've got Sam talking to someone.
Speaker B:He is saying, I don't trust you and I never will, but I need your help.
Speaker B:And this is your wheelhouse.
Speaker B:And we get a flashback because when the Steins broke into the cabin, Sam switched the book and saved the real evil book.
Speaker B:And through a different book into the fire.
Speaker B:And that is why Jacob called him a silly boy.
Speaker B:And Sam is sitting down with who?
Speaker B:Who is he telling this to?
Speaker A:The baddest witch of them all, Rowena.
Speaker A:Which means it is time for another installment about the other baddest witch of them all, the Witch of Kings Cross.
Speaker A:And this is time for our now weekly installment on Rosalie Norton.
Speaker A:So, well, it's lore time and if you have not been following along.
Speaker A:So just to recap, the Australian artist Rosalind Norton has had her art put on trial for being obscene.
Speaker A:But the art was declared not to be sexy.
Speaker A:It also did not sell and Rowie was still super broke and living out of flat in King's Cross.
Speaker A:So as I said, we're kind of breaking down these stories about Rosaleen on her many, many trials and tribulations with the court.
Speaker A: And so in: Speaker A:I have seen places where they say she was charged with vagrancy for staying in immense, hostile.
Speaker A:And yes, she was charged with vagrancy and yes, she stayed with men in a hostel, but she wasn't charged for that.
Speaker A:However, the people leasing the hostel were threatened with eviction for her staying there.
Speaker A:So to clear up those things, the hostel.
Speaker A:So the first of her legal woes happened due to that trip she made to Melbourne for her exhibition and she hitchhiked there with her friend Gavin and during which they stayed at a men's hostel.
Speaker A:Rowie was quoted as saying, a man friend and I hitchhiked to Melbourne, but when we arrived we found no accommodations.
Speaker A:We were recommended to try the hostel and were admitted, although they weren't very happy about it.
Speaker A:Believe me, it was all very innocent.
Speaker A:The other men staying at the hostel were very quiet and studious and all a little shocked.
Speaker A:It wasn't a matter of flouting convention, but of rather having somewhere to lay my head.
Speaker A: d up by the press in March of: Speaker A:According to Rodney, Norton and Greenlees arrived together but were given a mattress on the ground floor with two separate sleeping bags.
Speaker A:So of course they couldn't do anything because they had two sleeping bags, of course.
Speaker A:And they had only gotten in because a university student had asked the previous hostel warden to provide urgent competition for two Sydney students for two nights at most.
Speaker A:Norton and Greenlees, being called Greenleaf in this article over and over again was really funny, but he been regarded, they've been regarded as undesirable characters and they were ordered out when they figured out that Rosalind was a woman and they doubted whether either of them had paid any rent and I seriously doubt either of them did so for her vagrancy.
Speaker A: ncident happened In August of: Speaker A:Shockingly, some of the local police had it in for Rosaline and her friends and the Sydney Vice Squad raided their flat.
Speaker A:Rosalene, then 33, and Gavin, then 21, were charged with having insufficient means of support, aka vagrancy.
Speaker A:Let's talk a little bit about vagrancy laws.
Speaker A:So, vagrancy laws regulate being homeless, unemployed or poor, and are typically deployed to control the behavior of lower classes.
Speaker A:In New South Wales, Australia, the laws are also used to imprison those consorting with people of ill repute or unwanted or felons or convicts, as we'll see.
Speaker A:And this is because of the state start as a penal colony.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Now, how many times can I say the word penal with without giggling?
Speaker A:I'm betting none.
Speaker A:So the Penal Colony of New South Wales, also the not safer work colony because it is abbreviated nsw.
Speaker A:So I kept thinking that it was not safe for work anyhow.
Speaker A:So this has all become some very interesting case law because I guess I really hadn't thought about you.
Speaker A:You'll figure this out.
Speaker A:Right, so in the.
Speaker A:How do we get the penal colony?
Speaker A: In the late: Speaker A:To deal with the crime, the penal code had several offenses that could result in death or transportation to the Americas, where one would become a laborer or indentured service.
Speaker A:But after the War of Independence, America stopped accepting British convicts and they had to figure out what to do with all these criminal poor people.
Speaker A:They really.
Speaker A:Britain really liked the transportation option because it got the criminals out of Mother England and also provided cheap labors to help build up the colonies.
Speaker A:So enter Australia.
Speaker A: ablished as a penal colony in: Speaker A:What for one, convicts could work off their sentence and then get a ticket of leave.
Speaker A:Ticket of leave provided convicts with nominal freedom as long as they stayed in a designated region and didn't cause trouble or engage in criminal activities, or then those tickets of leaves would be rescinded.
Speaker A:Some convicts didn't want to wait to finish their sentence and instead ran off to the bush and became bandits known as bushrangers.
Speaker A:Bushranger.
Speaker A:So the British government really also didn't want this to just be a penal colony.
Speaker A:So they wanted this to be an actual settlement.
Speaker A:And so to do that they needed more women.
Speaker A: As between: Speaker A:Although there was actually a lot more women prisoners back then, if you look at the rate of population compared to now.
Speaker A:And a lot of this has to do with what people were being convicted for.
Speaker A:And the women on that were being shipped on the convict ships were young to old, kind of vary.
Speaker A:But mainly they were in their 20s or 30s and were convicted a lot for what we consider misdemeanors today, like petty theft.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Also, contrary to popular belief, no convict women were set for Australia for prostitution.
Speaker A:So that's the thing that people always.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's kind of weird, like a.
Speaker A:Like a.
Speaker A:Yeah, like the oldest profession is what Australia was settled with.
Speaker A:But, you know, they really weren't being convicted and sent over for that.
Speaker A:However, ironically, not to quote unless that again, women were often turned to sex work for survival because they would get there as convicts and then when, you know, it was very hard to get a job, you know, sorry, that's being a poor woman.
Speaker A: So beginning in: Speaker A:Because within the factories, women were expected to work and to make things.
Speaker A:They also employed some free women as well.
Speaker A:I don't think I need to tell you they weren't great.
Speaker A:If, you know, one of the things, like if you redeemed incorrigible, you would have to wear your head shaved.
Speaker A:Although some enterprising women started to profit from this and to say no, the women's who had to get their head shaved and they would start selling their hair.
Speaker A:So because women we get done.
Speaker A:So male convicts had the chance to select a bride from the female factories by a system called convict courtship.
Speaker A:Now this is the original love after lockup.
Speaker A:So convict courtship, the male convicts came to the feet.
Speaker A:This is so gross.
Speaker A:They came to the female factories to inspect the women who had to line up and then if they saw a woman they liked, he motioned to her that he wanted to choose her.
Speaker A:And then she'd be like, yeah, I'll go with you.
Speaker A:Most women accepted the offer because they really didn't have a choice.
Speaker A:When female ships, because it would be the ones that there would be convict female ships and also just ones in general, they were throwing women on.
Speaker A:But for the most part, they're convict female ships, they would arrive at the colony and high ranking officers got to pick through the women first to get their servants or the mistresses, they had no legal obligations to these women.
Speaker A:So after they were done with them they would just be dismissed.
Speaker A:Which again made a lot of women turn to sex work for survival.
Speaker A:Because that.
Speaker A: So by the: Speaker A:And this was also increasingly make up the making the stuck up British people nervous.
Speaker A:And to be fair to them, a lot of crime and violence was happening because you know, you shipped in a bunch of ships full of convicts and poor people and then didn't give them jobs and just let them loosen them, whatever.
Speaker A:So shockingly there was things that were happening.
Speaker A:Gangs of bushrangers were going from train station to train station robbing and also recruiting convicts.
Speaker A:So just join them along the way.
Speaker A:So maybe there were some things to be concerned about.
Speaker A:So they put two acts into place.
Speaker A:First they put in the Bushranging act which this authorized anyone.
Speaker A:This is really scary.
Speaker A:Authorized anyone to detain an individual whom this suspected of being a transported felon illegally at large.
Speaker A:And then it put the onus on the person who was picked up to prove their innocence.
Speaker A:And if they couldn't prove it then they would be shipped to Sydney to get checked out by the principal superintendent of convicts to see if they match the list, blah, blah, blah, blah blah.
Speaker A:The government was also afraid that these free settlers in Emancipus would form gangs or give convicts guns.
Speaker A:So anybody suspected of concealing weapons could be searched just for suspecting of having a weapon.
Speaker A:Any place that was suspected of having convicts or guns in it could also be searched.
Speaker A:Proving one's liberty and the ability to move around was actually more difficult, difficult for the free immigrants rather than the emancipates or the convicts.
Speaker A:Because prison equals paperwork.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So there's.
Speaker A:That was one thing that was causing things, causing problems, another thing.
Speaker A:You know, the fear that the elite British were having that was that these free settlers or the convicts were going to pair up with the indigenous aborigine men and help them revolt.
Speaker A:Because those were things that are also happening because remember this is also a call, you know, they're colonizing Australia.
Speaker A: tion to the BushRanger act in: Speaker A:It provided a maximum penalty of three months in in jail, which was later increased to six for any person that was found to be idle and disorderly, which could mean being a habitual drunkard or a common prostitute.
Speaker A:Behaving in a riotous or indecent manner.
Speaker A:The act also included a clause which is very.
Speaker A:So these vagrancy acts were something that Britain had had for a while.
Speaker A:They really like making these poor lacks and other countries had them too.
Speaker A:But something that was very specific for the colony was this act included a clause that made it an offense for any non indigenous person to be found lodging or wandering with any black native of the colony unless they could satisfy justice of the peace that they were there for a legitimate purpose.
Speaker A:And it really served to, quote, prevent any roving itinerant lifestyle among the lower classes of colonists who might be disposed to crime.
Speaker A:Immobile colonists had less opportunity to commit crimes with impunity than itinerant settlers.
Speaker A:They're also under greater surveillance, easier to trace, and more directly under colonial control.
Speaker A:This was a logic behind placing residency requirements on convicts tickets of leave, so you could trace the convicts going around.
Speaker A:So they wanted to be able to do this with the people who weren't just convicts.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But one of the other issues they found were that the authorities that were in place of determining whether or not somebody was going to be subject to these laws were often ex convicts.
Speaker A:So, you know, they weren't necessarily having a forthright, you know, authority system to go.
Speaker A:To go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Women were frequent targets and a heavy emphasis was placed on the institution, institution of marriage as a solution to the depravity of female convicts who would otherwise live a vagrant, wandering, idle, vicious life.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Because you need a husband.
Speaker A: o transportation ended in the: Speaker A:And the growing humanitarian and ethical concerns of forced labor, the women's factories became lunatic asylums.
Speaker A:Because why not?
Speaker A:That seems fine.
Speaker A: lia federated the colonies in: Speaker A:And when that happened, though the vagrancy laws actually increased.
Speaker A: The vacancy act of: Speaker A: under was really this act of: Speaker A:So the list of offenses now included for you, this is how you could be a vagina having no means of support, being a non indigenous person who consorts with aboriginal people, being a sex worker or habitual drinker, being the owner of a house where reputed thieves or the jobless frequented begging or exposing oneself in public gambling, carrying a weapon, resisting arrest, escaping from prison, uttering or publishing offensive language or Content in breaching the peace being.
Speaker A:This is my favorite one, being a suspected person or reputed thief frequents any river, canal or navigable stream, dock or basin, or any quay, wharf or warehouse near or adjoining thereto or any street, highway, highway or avenue leading there to you or any place of public resort or any avenue leading thereto or any street, highway or place adjacent with the intent to commit a felony.
Speaker A:So you can't be in the water, you can't be on the street.
Speaker A:No, you can't be in a house if you have the intent to commit a felony.
Speaker B:Yeah, you can't be.
Speaker A:You can't be.
Speaker A:If you have the intent and we can tell you have the intent.
Speaker A:I look at you, I see you, you're intentful.
Speaker A: ory of offensive behaviors in: Speaker A: In the: Speaker A:And so the razor gang wars added another addition to the Vagrancy act which was additional consorting clause which was trying to stop these street gangs by adding penalties including jail for consorting with thieves, sex workers or vagrant persons with no means of support.
Speaker A: y the Summary Offenses act of: Speaker A:The new act conveyed a range of offenses including those related to public spaces, vagrancy itself and public gatherings.
Speaker A:Many current laws in Australia are rooted in this legislation.
Speaker A:While vagrancy is no longer a specific crime in Australia, begging remains legal in most areas.
Speaker A: les decriminalized begging in: Speaker A:But laws that can disproportionately affect the homeless and the poor are still enforced at police discretion.
Speaker A:For instance, police in New South Wales can issue move on orders as someone is obstructing others, harassing anyone, causing fear or suspected of dealing drugs.
Speaker A:Police in New South Wales face targets of a number.
Speaker A:Oh, they have a, like, you know, they say our police have quotas for tick speeding tickets.
Speaker A:Australian police have move on order quotas photos for the number of people they tell to move on.
Speaker A:So that's so how so circling back to our Rosalie.
Speaker A:So she and Gavin were arrested for vagrancy because they could not demonstrate visible means of financial support.
Speaker A:He was a poet, she was an artist.
Speaker B:That's all you need to know.
Speaker A:So they were remanded and given two weeks to Find an employment.
Speaker A:A freelance publisher and editor named Walter Wally Glover came to their aid, offering them employment as his assistance, which will lead to her next battle.
Speaker A:So the story of Rosaline and the law will continue.
Speaker B:Why Gold Wild, right?
Speaker A:We can learn so much from the switch.
Speaker A:So that is the story of this week's tale of the Witch of Kings Cross.
Speaker A:So back to the witch of supernatural, Ms.
Speaker A:Rowena.
Speaker A:So Ms.
Speaker A:Rowena and Sam have made a deal, and that is how our episode ends.
Speaker A:Do we want to talk about our cast and then do a recap or our final thoughts?
Speaker B:Yeah, let's hit up on our cast real fast.
Speaker A:Casting couch is the casting couch.
Speaker A:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker A:La la la la.
Speaker B:So we've got Jacob Stein was played by Jeff Branson, and he has been in episodes of Strangers with Candy, Law and Order, svu, csi, CSI Miami, CSI New York, CSI la.
Speaker B:And is that all of them?
Speaker B:I think he did all of them.
Speaker B:NCIS the Mentalist, Grim and 911 Lone Star, which I know you've been into lately.
Speaker B:Then he also some of his biggest, bigger, much larger roles, though he was Dorian Gray in the movie Party Monsters.
Speaker B:But which people may recognize him from was he played Jonathan and All My Children over 160 episodes.
Speaker B:Shane and Allen in Guiding Light over over 110 episodes.
Speaker B:Ronan in Young and the Restless, almost 160 episodes.
Speaker B:So he has an extensive career in.
Speaker A:So did Henry Jensen do I'm go back and see if they they crossed.
Speaker A:So interesting.
Speaker B:That's a pretty extensive soap opera career.
Speaker A:So I bet he's won a song.
Speaker B:And then our husky Cupid, as they describe him, was played by Patrick.
Speaker B:Yes, played by Patrick Sparling.
Speaker B:In addition to.
Speaker B:He's been.
Speaker B:He was been in episodes of Lucifer, the Good Doctor, Resident Alien and Animal Control.
Speaker B:He's also done stunt work for Supernatural, Resident Alien and Animal Control.
Speaker A:So cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A: is was, you know, this was in: Speaker A:Good for you, man.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Oh, my dang.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So yeah, I thought that was pretty cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So here we go.
Speaker B:So I love that we are buttoning a couple of things up.
Speaker B:I feel like we were buttoning up finally a Charlie's back.
Speaker B:Because remember in a pre.
Speaker B:Was it last episode of the week before they made a comment that she was in the wind and they were kind of worried about her.
Speaker B:So I know Charlie is back with the book number two.
Speaker B:We have.
Speaker B:@ least Castiel has his grace back.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Sort of Kind of something's not right.
Speaker B:But yes.
Speaker B:And then we've got Dean kind of in his weird acceptance slash it's situation.
Speaker B:I think the parts that I.
Speaker B:I see the track that we're on as we approach the end of the season, which I'm not saying we're there, but we're getting closer, is obviously the ongoing thread of people not talking to each other and.
Speaker B:Or lying.
Speaker A:So damn the book of the Damned and the damned lying.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I feel like that's not going to be good that Rowena has this book.
Speaker A:Probably not.
Speaker A:Spell book.
Speaker A:All evil.
Speaker A:Give it to a witch who really wants to be powerful.
Speaker B:Spell book.
Speaker B:Just gave it to her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it'll be fine.
Speaker A:I'm sure it ends well.
Speaker B:Toads.
Speaker A:It's not going to be anything that spurs the next season or anything.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No way we could have possibly building.
Speaker A:To that, could we?
Speaker B:I feel like there's a chance we might get the mark taken care of this season.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker B:I know you won't tell me and I don't want you to, but I feel like there's a chance for that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there's that.
Speaker A:And we guys.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, we did get Charlie back this episode.
Speaker A:And as much annoying as he is, I mean, Jacob was still a fun little.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:I kind of liked him, actually.
Speaker B:He reminded me, like, you've mentioned the originals.
Speaker B:I couldn't place it.
Speaker B:And that's definitely what it is.
Speaker B:He also reminds me of another actor and I cannot place it offhand, but in a positive way.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's a very comforting actor for some reason.
Speaker B:Yeah, I like him.
Speaker B:I was kind of bummed that he had to die.
Speaker B:So, I mean, what?
Speaker B:Same episode.
Speaker A:I also.
Speaker B:I mean, I was like, can we carry this one for at least like one more episode?
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:He's kind of cute.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Well, he's got a big family.
Speaker A:I'm sure he's got a brother or two.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Anything else?
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:All right, well, let's tune in next time to see do we return for more Tales of Rosalie Norton?
Speaker A:Does Dean lose the Mark of Kane?
Speaker A:Does Sam tell the Truth?
Speaker A:Does he get a haircut?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:On that note, cheers.
Speaker B:Cheers.
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