11:04 Baby
Oh baby it's Season 11, Episode 4 Baby. We are down for the camera shots but not for the smells. We discuss the lore behind nachzehrers (aka shroud munchers) and Charon's obal.
Research Links
- The Petelia Tablet, Greek, c.300-200 BCE: originally buried with a human body, this totenpäss (a "passport for the dead") is supposed to provide the dead with special privileges in the Underworld; the inscription also tells them where to go and what to say when they get there [4096x5120] : r/ArtefactPorn
- Nachzehrer: Ghastly Undead of German Folklore and Plague
- The Real Reason People Were Buried With Coins In Their Mouths
- Vampires Of The Slavs : Jan L. Perkowski : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
- Nachzehrers: The Shroud Eating Vampires of Germanic Folklore | Ancient Origins
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, Sam is digging into the lore.
Speaker B:And Dean gets his ass kicked by a shroud muncher.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:And I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And we're going to Talk Season 11, Episode 4, Baby, oh, Baby.
Speaker A:Sure are.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, we're coming out of the Fourth of July holiday here.
Speaker B:So with that, I think it's not a secret that we're here in Texas and we've been a lot of news about that lately.
Speaker B:So without just saying, what have you been up to?
Speaker B:What have you been up to?
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, I'm in the Hill Country.
Speaker A:I am in the, the area.
Speaker A:I am very close to, like, the main thing that happened in Kerbal, which is, we all know, just a horrible trip tragedy and flash flooding here is.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:It's Texas.
Speaker A:Texas will try and kill you, I guess.
Speaker A:But not to be flip about it, it's just, it's.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:We all have flood PTSDs.
Speaker A:Flooded happen here and they suck.
Speaker A:And so I think we're all just kind of in shock and once.
Speaker A:And it, you know, it's one of those things, like, you just, you know, it's not that you prepare for disasters, but, you know, kind of just like woke up, like, fell asleep to a lot of rain and then like, woke up to, oh, what the fuck?
Speaker A:And, and, and my, like my neighborhood, like, where I'm on like a top of things, so I can just kind of look out and see things.
Speaker A:So I didn't get.
Speaker A:I could at least get in and out of my neighborhood.
Speaker B:But yeah, yeah, it was a.
Speaker A:It was a scary.
Speaker A:It was a scary weekend, but for.
Speaker B:Sure, yeah, we made it through.
Speaker A:And, you know, people are really pitching in to help.
Speaker A:There's a Kerville Relief Fund.
Speaker A:You can just honestly just go type in Kerbal Relief and go.
Speaker A:If you go to the.
Speaker A:I hate to use these words, but.
Speaker A:And I can't get there.
Speaker A:And I was really annoyed with it.
Speaker A:Like, their main things are being coordinated on the city of Kerrville's page.
Speaker A:So if you can get there, you know, that is where.
Speaker A:But a lot of the updates are going.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But there's a lot of people coming out to help in the Hill country.
Speaker A:So, I mean, and so it's what we do.
Speaker A:We'll.
Speaker A:We'll help each other get through it.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's sad.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that's what's going on in Texas.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think it's like, the way you said reminds me.
Speaker B:It's like that, what.
Speaker B:There's a Mr. Rogers quote about, like, whenever you do.
Speaker B:Whenever you see bad things happening, look for the helpers as a reminder that, you know, there's people trying to help even though terrible, terrible things have happened.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:And also does the search and rescue people during this and doing some crazy.
Speaker A:Like, there was for a while, you couldn't.
Speaker A:You couldn't get to things through the water because, like, you couldn't go through by boat.
Speaker A:So this kid, like, did like, 183 helicopter rescues.
Speaker B:That Coast Guard guy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It was just his first mission ever.
Speaker A:I'm just like, what the hell, man?
Speaker B:Like, so good training and motivation and all that.
Speaker B:That's awesome.
Speaker B:Heroes exist.
Speaker A:They do.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, so that's the.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So just, you know, help where you can and keep your eye out where, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then I am now going to just try and take us completely off that topic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Let's move on.
Speaker A:I'm going to rant about something to you too.
Speaker A:So while I was doing my just the research for.
Speaker A:For this episode, the AI blot and gross, like, bloat that is, like, taken over the Internet is just.
Speaker A:It's so bad.
Speaker A:Like, it's already so hard to, like, figure out.
Speaker A:Like, I remember when I was a young librarian in library school and, like, we were, like, worried that Wikipedia was just going to be the downfall of, like, truth and knowledge.
Speaker A: were published before, like,: Speaker A:That'll, like, put out, like.
Speaker A: as been going on since, like,: Speaker A:Shut it down.
Speaker A:I'm done with it.
Speaker B:Unless you're listening on here on the Internet.
Speaker A:And then you should like, I will.
Speaker A:I will put this over ham radio.
Speaker A:Like, I. I will find.
Speaker A:I will rebuild the goddamn Internet in a different way.
Speaker A:And like, yeah, I'm just gonna.
Speaker A:I'm gonna make a new Internet with.
Speaker A:That's just.
Speaker A:It's gonna be really slow and it's gonna Be like if you can play Oregon Trail on it, that's about it.
Speaker B:But that is dial up all the way back to some AOL chat rooms and all that.
Speaker A:Yeah, and we'll talk about some of that in this episode.
Speaker A:As you know, they're as they're working on computers in the car and baby and their WI fi.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, so sorry, that was, that was my inane way to try and get us off a tragedy.
Speaker A:So yeah, I'll take it.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker A:The Internet's gross.
Speaker B:The Internet is gross.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:Anything else?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah, let's.
Speaker B:Let's jump on in.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So this is Baby.
Speaker A:And it was named Baby because of Baby.
Speaker A:And it was season 11, episode 4.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:And so we start off with this like close up pan of babies insides.
Speaker B:And we see the army man shoved in the ashtray.
Speaker B:We see the salmon Dean's initials.
Speaker B:And then we see a broken window and a whole lot of blood and a bloody machete.
Speaker B:And we hear a train and an unconscious Dean Winchester handcuffed in the car.
Speaker B:That's not.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that's a lot of blood.
Speaker B:A lot of blood.
Speaker B:So we cut.
Speaker B:That's our intro scene.
Speaker B:And we cut right from that and we have.
Speaker B:This episode has a lot of music, I'll note.
Speaker B:And I did notice and I looked because I, I didn't.
Speaker B:I don't like read about the episode beforehand, but I usually have things queued up in the giveaway.
Speaker B:And I know you will talk about it.
Speaker B:I'm sure.
Speaker B:I know it's in your notes about how this is all this whole episode centered around Baby.
Speaker B:I forget the name of it.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So it's kind of cool.
Speaker B:So Guitar man by Bread is playing and we have Dean washing Baby.
Speaker B:And we see it all from the inside of being like, if you're in Baby, get washing the car in the bunker 48 hours before he's unconscious in the back seat.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And I am not sure if I approve of this technique of soaping the windshield.
Speaker A:I. I am not.
Speaker A:I would think I would want to use more glass cleaner on that.
Speaker A:But that is just me.
Speaker A:Then it's a choice.
Speaker A:But I'm like, okay, that's a lot of like soap.
Speaker A:You're gonna get some spots on that on that windshield.
Speaker A:But all right.
Speaker A:And then Sam comes in and wants to know what is up with the short.
Speaker A:So I think this is implying.
Speaker A:Because Dean says that it's a free bunker.
Speaker A:So I think this implies that Dean is washing baby in his underwear.
Speaker A:And that likely immediately inspired fan fiction about Dean washing baby in his underwear.
Speaker A:What ball that.
Speaker A:When I put that into a search engine, the responses were just too disgusting, even for me.
Speaker A:You sick fucks.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You fan fiction people are gross.
Speaker A:So, anyhow, so but then.
Speaker A:But then Sam grabs.
Speaker A:Grabs a sponge and they're just lady boners and regular boners, like, just popping everywhere.
Speaker A:Because now the boys are washing the car together and one of them is in his underwear.
Speaker A:At least Sam still has pants on.
Speaker A:On.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:It's worse than a bikini motorcycle wash at a.
Speaker A:He's eating some.
Speaker B:Anyways, so they're.
Speaker B:They're chatting because Sam has been researching the Darkness and Metatron and has found nothing.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But the good news is that Castiel is improving.
Speaker B:He just needs more time to heel.
Speaker B:And Dean has cabin fever.
Speaker B:So the good news is that Sam has found something that might be a case, but probably isn't.
Speaker B:But it could be.
Speaker B:Could be.
Speaker A:And so also, we go from that to Dean spraying down baby.
Speaker A:And so he said that he's washed every car in this bunker garage twice.
Speaker A:And I'm very intrigued to these idea of, like, washing your car inside your garage, which is just, you know, that's.
Speaker A:That seems like a dream, right?
Speaker A:Like, you don't have to leave.
Speaker A:Like, you can just spray your car down, like in your own garage.
Speaker A:How fancy is that?
Speaker A:But then he leaves and it immediately.
Speaker B:Rains like it does when you wash your car by hand.
Speaker B:Very well.
Speaker B:Been there.
Speaker B:I have been there, sir.
Speaker B:Don't look at Duchess in the garage right now.
Speaker B:So they are trying to get to right outside of Eugene, Oregon, where Dwayne Markham, the sheriff's body, was found mauled, possibly by an animal, maybe a werewolf also.
Speaker A:So Quaker Valley is not a real place, but if you were going to say it's outside of Eugene, that would mean it is about 2 hours and 40 minutes away from the Tillamook factory, which is how Oregon distances should be measured.
Speaker B:It's important information.
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker B:So Sam reaches back into.
Speaker B:They've got like a.
Speaker B:They haven't always had this, but they've got a pretty cool, like, vintage metal cooler in the back seat of the car.
Speaker B:And Sam reaches in and pulls out a smoothie that somehow.
Speaker A:That is not a smoothie.
Speaker A:That is a green juice, which I'M.
Speaker B:Now drinking once a day daily.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, lovely.
Speaker B:You're choking that shit down.
Speaker A:Nothing is worth that.
Speaker A:So obviously I've had some good green smoothies.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:It's about what you balance in it.
Speaker A:I'll give you a recipe book.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So Cass calls, and he's been researching cases around.
Speaker A:They're going, but he hasn't really found anything, so.
Speaker A:So Cass has taken on kind of this, like, in the bunker research role while they're on the road.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:And they tell him that he should go relax and watch Netflix.
Speaker A:And he doesn't know what Netflix is.
Speaker A:And Sam's just like, go to my room and figure it out.
Speaker A:And you know it's just going to end up with him watching porn.
Speaker A:Oh, gosh.
Speaker A:Well, it's Cass.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's true.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:I mean, you're not wrong.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:Oh, gosh.
Speaker B:So they're driving through the night, and Dean decides to pull over at Jimmy's Roadhouse.
Speaker A:Roadhouse?
Speaker B:And Sam is like, wtf?
Speaker B:Even Swayze wouldn't go here.
Speaker B:I want to go find a. I want to go find a diner.
Speaker B:But Dean's like, no, don't take Swayze's name in vain, by the way.
Speaker B:Remember Heather, the hunter she worked at when Wendigo case with us?
Speaker B:I texted her, but she didn't answer.
Speaker B:It's like the weirdest, like, non story.
Speaker B:I'm like, why is this.
Speaker A:Well, yeah.
Speaker A:So you think.
Speaker A:I think through.
Speaker A:If you go through Dean logic.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I think him and Heather once hooked up at this roadhouse.
Speaker A:So he texted her and was like, hey, baby, like, I know you're working this Rougarou thing in Texas that are from somebody else.
Speaker A:I'm at this random roadhouse in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker A:Do you want to come here by phone?
Speaker A:And then she didn't respond because she was probably like, what, the Dean Winchester?
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker B:And he's like, roadhouse.
Speaker B:Good times no matter what.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I'm like, fries.
Speaker A:Diner fries.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, especially late in the morning.
Speaker A:That sounds like a great time to me.
Speaker A:So Sam goes off to find the.
Speaker B:Diner, and Dean's going to Roadhouse.
Speaker B:So we have the clock, the sun.
Speaker B:The clock clicks through and we have dawn.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:So I.
Speaker B:Do you know.
Speaker B:Do we know what state they were in and what the liquor laws are there?
Speaker B:Because that's.
Speaker A:They could be in like, Nevada, right?
Speaker A:Oh, that's true.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:That'd be passing through.
Speaker B:That'd be about right.
Speaker A:If they were going through there, like, I. I'm not sure.
Speaker A:I can probably look at where it's supposed to be, but that's my thought.
Speaker A:And I was.
Speaker A:And I was thinking about this too late.
Speaker A:I was like, man, it's been a long time since I've left a bar and like walked outside and it was daylight and then.
Speaker A:But at least like he's in the middle of.
Speaker B:It's been Nevada and it's.
Speaker A:Well, New York too.
Speaker A:Like, you know, like in New York where bars closed at 5 and if you went and found an after hour bar, like, that's a.
Speaker A:That you were having a time.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But anyways, so he says, so, okay, so he leaves and then he gets in on the driver's side.
Speaker A:And at first you're just like, what?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:No, no sir.
Speaker B:You just stumbled out of a bar at.
Speaker B:And got into the driver's seat.
Speaker B:No, but he does say immediately mistakes were made.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But there's a topless blonde in the back seat riding Sam.
Speaker B:Apparently.
Speaker A:She'S writing him.
Speaker B:It's implied that she may have.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah, now I'm like, okay, so now baby smells like sex.
Speaker A:Because someone just in the backseat and I'm sorry, like, that smells.
Speaker A:So now we have that plus a Dean Winchester who's been drinking all night.
Speaker B:Oh, it smells like.
Speaker B:It smells like.
Speaker A:And she works in a diner, right?
Speaker B:So she's got dieter, greasy fry, grease and sex.
Speaker A:Baby smells like so gross right now.
Speaker A:So we.
Speaker A:So do we find about her.
Speaker A:So Piper.
Speaker A:Yeah, Piper just like orange is a new black.
Speaker B:That's funny.
Speaker B:And she is putting her uniform back on, but she can't find her hairpin, so she departs.
Speaker B:And Dean is pretty impressed with Sam.
Speaker B:I guess.
Speaker B:I don't know, it's.
Speaker B:It's kind of goofy.
Speaker B:He just wants to razz him about it.
Speaker B:But Dean's gonna put in a cassette because he really, really, really needs to listen to Night Moves by Bob Seeger.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I also hate this episode because that song started going through my head like as soon as, like it came up.
Speaker A:And I was like, son of a.
Speaker A:It's like it's not gonna get out of my head until.
Speaker A:So we're done talking about this.
Speaker A:And so they.
Speaker A:They drive off and Dean is lip syncing to the song as they drive off.
Speaker B:And Sam sings along too and makes changes a line to be about his brother's Chevy.
Speaker B:It's really cute actually.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:They eat, laugh and drive.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They stop at Shiny Spurs.
Speaker A:Tex Mex.
Speaker A:So now we're Adding farts to, like, the smell of baby.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Or maybe they're just trying to cover up the other three smells.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Like, it's not getting better.
Speaker A:I just don't think that's gonna make it any good.
Speaker A:So then Dean is like, so digging in the lore is what the kids are calling it these days.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, so I wouldn't.
Speaker A:Said that was the title of Sam's sex tape.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, by the way, I totally tried to give her my number.
Speaker B:And she was like, nah, just hilarious.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So, you know, girls are players, too.
Speaker A:So on the screen, it captions that Sam inhales deeply and I just.
Speaker A:As we said I wouldn't pan.
Speaker B:No, don't.
Speaker A:But also in my notes, as I was like.
Speaker A:And so he was like, her name was Piper, and it was nice knowing her.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:And that is how Piper from Orange is the New Black got her start.
Speaker A:So Deans are thinks that they're just lucky that anybody taps them at all.
Speaker A:And I'm like, have you seen you?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And finally he's like, you know what, Sam?
Speaker B:Just go to sleep.
Speaker B:Let's go to sleep.
Speaker B:Because otherwise, I'm just gonna keep making references to Bob Seger, and it's gonna annoy everybody.
Speaker B:So Sam decides to take a nap.
Speaker B:And we start hearing Someday soon by Judy Collins playing And Sam wakes up, it's still night.
Speaker B:And he's like, asking about the song.
Speaker B:And young John Winchester is now driving, baby.
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah, your mom loved this song.
Speaker B:So now Sam is having a dream, having a vision, something.
Speaker B:But John.
Speaker B:Young John Winchester is dry.
Speaker B:Dad.
Speaker B:Young dad is driving the car now.
Speaker B:It's weird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, Sam is freaked out, and.
Speaker A:But John is like, I'm very glad that Dean took care of both baby and Sam.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, this is not real.
Speaker B:And John's like, yeah, you're kind of right.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And then Sam starts asking him directly and pondering that is if this is tied to when he prayed at the chapel because he saw those other visions.
Speaker B:So who knows?
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And John's like, I don't know, but here's the message.
Speaker B:Darkness is coming, and only y' all can stop it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And also during their conversation, you know, we do get some more of this, you know, the Sam versus John stuff.
Speaker A:But John is being very kind of positive to Sam.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, you know, some of this blame is on you.
Speaker A:And he is like, yep, yep.
Speaker A:And so it was just kind of a weird action for, like, interaction for Sam to traditionally have with John Winchester.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And not Sam.
Speaker A:And Sam, also, righteous, rightfully wants a plan of action, not just visions of dead people.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:Is this how you're helping?
Speaker A:Please stop helping.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:You know, like, tell me what the to do.
Speaker A:Don't tell me, like, a mantra here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And all John's got is God helps those who help themselves.
Speaker B:Not helpful.
Speaker B:And so Sam wakes up, and Dean hands him a beer, which is exactly.
Speaker A:What I want first thing when I wake up.
Speaker A:Like, I'm like.
Speaker A:Like, I love waking up a car and getting a warm beer.
Speaker A:And then, you know, Dean has his laptop going.
Speaker A:And this is where I was going.
Speaker A:Like, how is.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like, do they have.
Speaker A:Like, why are they getting a satellite?
Speaker A:Like, is he hot?
Speaker A:Spotty?
Speaker A:Like, how is he getting WI fi in this car?
Speaker A: d then I was like, oh, it was: Speaker A:And you could just steal that.
Speaker A:Oh, I miss Wi Fi stealing.
Speaker A:Where you just, like, sit in the parking lot and everyone had it.
Speaker A:And you could just hop onto, like, someone's Internet.
Speaker A:That's what he would do it.
Speaker A:Oh, that's a sad crime.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And Dean tells Sam that he was singing in his sleep.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, by the way, you know how you had those visions about the darkness?
Speaker B:What were those like?
Speaker B:Because I totally just had one.
Speaker B:But it was about dad.
Speaker B:But it wasn't really dad.
Speaker B:He was young and he was nice, so it was weird.
Speaker B:But he had a message about the darkness, so.
Speaker A:And maybe he also said that only you and I can stop it.
Speaker A:So again, if you have dreams where dead people or deities or other people are telling you are a chosen one, you're in a cult.
Speaker A:Go to therapy.
Speaker A:Like, you were not the chosen one.
Speaker A:You were not chosen to do anything.
Speaker A:I am sorry.
Speaker B:Come on, now.
Speaker B:Harry Potter, The Winchesters.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker B:So Sam's like, maybe this is a vision from God.
Speaker B:Because it started after I prayed.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, wait, what?
Speaker B:He's like, yeah, totally.
Speaker B:I was infected.
Speaker B:I forgot to tell you that part, by the way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:BTW may have had that crazy infection that was like, I just wanted to.
Speaker A:See what it looks like with a sick tribal brand.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, it was easy.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, yeah, maybe this is like a fever dream.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker A:Maybe you're not having a vision.
Speaker A:Maybe you're not having a direct conversation from God.
Speaker A:And then he drops some.
Speaker A:Knowledge that God helps those who help themselves is actually an Old proverb that goes back to Aesop's fables.
Speaker A:And good on you, Dean.
Speaker A:It is mentioned in the fable Hercules and the Wagoner, which is about putting your shoulder to the wheel before you start begging for help.
Speaker A:And it was also found in several Greek tragedies and not actually in the Bible, which is kind of interesting that that may come up on Jeopardy.
Speaker A:One day.
Speaker A:So if you win like a million dollars for that, like, just let me know.
Speaker A:We'll take 20.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Take me out to dinner.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:Um.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so Dean shares, by the way.
Speaker B:I dream about dad all the time.
Speaker B:When I dream about dad, though, I'm driving, he's shotgun.
Speaker B:And I'm 16, not a.
Speaker B:And it's very normal because we're not like, hunting monsters.
Speaker B:And I'm just learning to drive like a normal teenager and to get my permit with you in the back seat.
Speaker B:And we pull up to the family house.
Speaker B:Very normal.
Speaker A:These are very nice dreams about his dad.
Speaker A:And I'm just like, that sounds lovely.
Speaker A:I would like to have those kind of dreams about my father.
Speaker A:Like, oh, that's nice.
Speaker A:And then Sam's like, well, I have those, but they're about mom.
Speaker A:Mom.
Speaker A:And so they're all like.
Speaker A:Now we're just all depressed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's like.
Speaker B:But I was sure.
Speaker B:I'm sure that that was a vision.
Speaker B:And like, just like.
Speaker B:Not like the opposite of the darkness, though.
Speaker B:Maybe it's not God, but maybe it's something.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, nope, the darkness is on us.
Speaker B:No one's gonna help it.
Speaker B:We gotta figure it out.
Speaker B:And now we're gonna go do this hunt, period.
Speaker B:Doesn't want to entertain it.
Speaker B:So they.
Speaker B:Sam says, good night, jerk.
Speaker B:And Dean says, good night.
Speaker A:Oh, and then they curl their massive bodies up in that car, which I know is a large car, but they are very large men.
Speaker A:And they both, like, curl up like they are in king sized beds and go to sleep.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:And we cut from that to them driving and then in suits outside the sheriff's office.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam gets in and like, Dean's like, okay.
Speaker B:The corner showed me this mauled body and the heart was missing.
Speaker A:And what else?
Speaker A:It was exsanguinated.
Speaker A:The blood was strange.
Speaker A:I got an excuse to use the word exsanguinated.
Speaker B:It's a good word.
Speaker B:Never mad at that one.
Speaker B:So Sam's like, is it a werewolf, vampire hybrid?
Speaker A:What is.
Speaker B:Sam will not say wherepire.
Speaker A:And like, you know, it makes Dean happy.
Speaker A:And sometimes you just got to take happy where you can get it.
Speaker A:And if you can get happiness and wherepire, I say go for it.
Speaker A:Dean Winchester.
Speaker A:Then the acting sheriff Deputy Donnelly has.
Speaker A:Comes up to the window.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, he's giving Sam a report.
Speaker A:And then he comes up to the window.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:And he's just, like, thanking them for helping out and surprised they're gonna stick around, but tells them about the local motel and the.
Speaker B:And how Mel's has the best steak in town.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's not happy that they're saying, like, he wishes, like, oh, cool.
Speaker A:Like, glad to see you on your way.
Speaker A:Oh, you're staying?
Speaker A:Oh, all right.
Speaker A:So they go to the steakhouse.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Aunt Mel's Steakhouse, which has a valet only as an option.
Speaker B:And Dean is distraught, which I kind of get like that.
Speaker B:What you do when you're upset about that is you like, look, can I just park my car?
Speaker B:I will pay you to.
Speaker B:For the valet.
Speaker B:Just let me park it right there.
Speaker B:Wherever you want.
Speaker B:That's what you do.
Speaker B:For the record.
Speaker B:But he doesn't.
Speaker B:So he gives Jesse the keys and tells her to, you know.
Speaker B:Not a scratch.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so she calls someone and tells them a spider caught a fly.
Speaker A:And she goes and she picks up another young woman who slightly gets in.
Speaker A:And they drive off while Mia plays.
Speaker A:And then they do donuts while they film themselves.
Speaker A:Then her boss calls, and now she freaks out that she's gonna get fired.
Speaker B:Like, so weird.
Speaker B:And her friend lost her purse.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So stupid.
Speaker A:I do appreciate your sunglasses and your hair down vibe.
Speaker A:You remind me of Michelle Trachtenberg, RIP but she's also like, why are you not worried about getting charges?
Speaker A:Receiving a car?
Speaker A:Like, you're worried about getting fired.
Speaker A:Like, you stole a car.
Speaker B:And this is like, just like a tiny little joyride.
Speaker B:Like, it doesn't even seem like.
Speaker B:It seems barely worth it.
Speaker B:When she says, spider caught a fly.
Speaker B:You're like, oh, she's gonna steal, baby.
Speaker B:That's the first thought.
Speaker A:But no, no, no.
Speaker B:She just wants to go do a joyride with her girlfriend.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:It's just an odd one.
Speaker A:Not worth it, honey.
Speaker A:It's not worth it.
Speaker B:But she gets back, and Dean is none the wiser.
Speaker B:And compliments and tips are.
Speaker B:They leaf.
Speaker B:But Sam decides he needs to go talk to the sheriff's widow, Lily Markham.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, cool, I'll drop you there.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna go check out the woods because that crime scene looks super sus.
Speaker B:Didn't believe it.
Speaker B:And so he goes to the spot and like, they said it was the woods.
Speaker B:This is not really the woods.
Speaker B:This is like a junkyard on the edge of woods with a bunch of tires piled.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I mean, it's weird.
Speaker A:Kind of.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:While he's there, Castiel calls and he is very confused about how orange is the new black.
Speaker A:Well, he's.
Speaker A:How orange and black are correlating in a new way.
Speaker A:And Dean tells him to step away from the Netflix.
Speaker A:And it's just like, oh, man.
Speaker A:Imagine a world filled with series you hadn't already binged.
Speaker A:And more than once, there's just like, no, all new things.
Speaker B:Well, he thinks that he may have found a creature in lore that may meet up, match up with what they're looking for.
Speaker B:And he also refuses to say wherepire.
Speaker B:Just too bad.
Speaker B:He thinks it could be a whisper.
Speaker B:But Dean tries to, like, tie that one together, too, and make him make another hybrid word.
Speaker B:But Cassiel is like, silver should kill it, but decapitate it just in case, too.
Speaker B:So Dean's like, okay, well, by the way, this crime scene was staged.
Speaker B:The body was moved here.
Speaker B:And so tell me what.
Speaker B:What else you know about whispers?
Speaker B:And as he is asked that, a sheriff's truck pulls up and blocks him in.
Speaker B:And our acting sheriff is now going to get out and talk to Dean while Castiel keeps talking on speakerphone inside the car.
Speaker B:We see everything from inside the vehicle.
Speaker B:Talking about how whispers only really active during a solar eclipse.
Speaker B:So maybe it's not a whisper after all.
Speaker B:And now Dean is fighting the sheriff, right?
Speaker A:So Sam is buzzing in while this is happening.
Speaker A:And Cass starts to give in that maybe it is a werepyre.
Speaker A:And Dean throws a deputy.
Speaker A:Also, during the filming of a scene, Jensen did find the remains of the Impala that was smashed up at the end of season one, episode 22.
Speaker A:22 Devil's Trap Devil's Trap So, yeah, so Cass is hearing this from the phone, and he hears this thud.
Speaker A:And he's like, what the is going on?
Speaker B:Yeah, he's very distraught.
Speaker B:And he shoots the deputy because he has silver bullets in his gun, which is great.
Speaker B:But also he does not know that this is not a whisper.
Speaker B:He's got his machete, he's decapitating, but this head is still alive.
Speaker B:And it is upsetting.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker B:I don't like the head being alive after he cuts it off.
Speaker B:And so he shoots it a bunch more.
Speaker B:The body a bunch more.
Speaker B:It's really crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so he decides that since his head is still alive.
Speaker B:He's gonna put it in the metal cooler.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then he takes pics of the teeth and he sends them to cast to go search the lore for them.
Speaker B:Smile, ass hat, I think is his quote from there.
Speaker B:Gross.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he is.
Speaker B:Has observed that silver definitely slows it down.
Speaker B:And he sees also that Sam needs help asap.
Speaker B:So he calls him and Sam's like, yeah, I just got jumped.
Speaker B:So whatever this is, it's in a pack.
Speaker B:And I also learned that silver slows it down.
Speaker A:Ta da.
Speaker B:Coming to the same conclusions in different locations.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Sam is still with Mrs. Markham.
Speaker B:He's got an address.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, cool, let me get the out of here.
Speaker B:And we see this machete slide across the floor of the car, which we see it and I note it because I'm like, oh, they zoomed in on this, so I know it's going to be relevant later.
Speaker A:Probably.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Well, we have salmon Dean with an unconscious Mrs. Markham in the back seat of the car.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:It's just weird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so Sam is now next to Dean, trying to figure out what's going on.
Speaker A:And so Cass calls and he says he has identified the monster as a noxera, a ghoul and a vampire like creature.
Speaker A:So a ghoul pyre.
Speaker A:And Cass tells them that some feed on the blood of the dead, some on hearts of the living.
Speaker A:They run in small packs and you can't really kill them because you know they're dead.
Speaker A:And so you need to remind them that they're dead.
Speaker A:You need a charon's obel.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, duh.
Speaker A:Everyone knows that in ancient Greece when someone died, you had to put an oval or a coin in their mouth for currency across the sticks.
Speaker A:And Cass is like, well, if you put a coin then in Oxara's mouth and then sever their head, it was kill them.
Speaker A:And if you kill the Alpha, everyone else will go back to human form.
Speaker A:So we're.
Speaker A:And so you need a copper coin, like a penny.
Speaker A: you need a penny made before: Speaker A:Or you just.
Speaker A:They don't exist anymore.
Speaker B:Aren't we getting rid of them completely?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:We are getting rid of them.
Speaker A:So there are two subjects that we're going to go into some lore.
Speaker A:So first, the knocked zerer, which they remind me overall of a German version of the Native American skinwalkers.
Speaker A:And I also think that we have touched on them before because they are shroud munchers.
Speaker A:And I do love a good shroud muncher.
Speaker A:So they originate from German and Slavic folklore and can be classified as a wider ganger, which is a revenant.
Speaker A:That is according to Wikipedia and some other things I'm unaware of this classification system that breaks down Knox errors and wieder gangers into some weird complex German art thing.
Speaker A:But apparently that's the thing.
Speaker A:So the name translates to night consumer because they consume stuff during the night, like, you know, qvc and they're just shopping all night long and trying to get the best deal.
Speaker B:And so scrolling and scrolling and scrolling.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's probably because it also sounds like something you would call the undead.
Speaker A:Oh, do you see something comes on towards you, like, ah, that's nuts.
Speaker A:Are like, you know, it fits.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so what do they consume?
Speaker A:Everything.
Speaker A:Because they are so hungry.
Speaker A:While they are in their graves, they eat their shrouds.
Speaker A:And if you pass by their graves, you can identify them because you can hear them munching away.
Speaker A:So you.
Speaker A:They deshroud asmr.
Speaker B:As I say.
Speaker B:So like, there's like.
Speaker B:If you walk by a graveyard and you hear like munchy noises, that means it's full of them.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So, so, and then once they get done eating their shrouds and they eat themselves, which is also something that skinwalkers do.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So they eat themselves.
Speaker A:Then once they get done eating themselves, then they start draining the life force from their living family members.
Speaker A:So like, if you have like DNA, like it just like goes out and like all of your ancestors will die.
Speaker A:And so their appearances are associated with hard times, depression and plagues.
Speaker A:And they come into existence after a person meets an unnatural end.
Speaker A:And they're very depressed, usually via suicide or sometimes freak accidents.
Speaker A:And they do not spread virally like via bite, like a traditional vampire.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:With the.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They don't go through a pathogen, like you just become one because you're really emo and you know, so then you're like, oh, I'm sad.
Speaker A:And then you're like, oh, no, I can't die.
Speaker A:So they have been described looking like a corpse because they're a corpse.
Speaker A:And they also don't have a lot of skin because they ate it.
Speaker A:And they often have fruit juice mouth because they can't stop gnawing on stuff.
Speaker A:And so to prevent a person from becoming a noxerer, some Germans put dirt under the dead's chin.
Speaker A:Or they put a coin or a stone in their mouth.
Speaker A:Or they also tied the head up with a handkerchief, which I just like.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker B:Yeah, tired mouth shut.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just like poor muncher's gonna grind their teeth up.
Speaker A:But it also just reminds me that I was like a cartoon like the 40s or 50s.
Speaker A:Like, you know, like when people would have like the handkerchiefs, like with the ice packs, like tight.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Very tightly around their face.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's hilarious.
Speaker A:I. I just also like, okay, it's time to bury uncle.
Speaker A:You know, Aunt Sally.
Speaker A:Hold on.
Speaker A:First we get a tie her mouth shut.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So to kill, it seems like cats said a coin and decapitation.
Speaker A:Now the coin, though, doesn't need to be Karen's.
Speaker A:Karen.
Speaker A:Karen's oval.
Speaker A:Probably not, because that was a Greek thing and also that was more myth and fact in itself.
Speaker A:So Charon, the Greek psychopomp who ferries dead souls across the River Styx.
Speaker A:And sometimes he needs to be paid.
Speaker A:And so if you don't pay his fee, then you're going to wander around, he's not going to give you a ride.
Speaker A:An oval was a low denomination coin said to be used as a payment.
Speaker A:So if you believe Greek classical authors.
Speaker A:So archaeologists of ancient Greek sites have only found like a limited number of burials that actually used coins.
Speaker A:So there is a, there's like a phrase.
Speaker A:Word that comes from this.
Speaker A:It was like, why, why is.
Speaker A:Why does like history not agree with what the.
Speaker A:The author said?
Speaker A:Or I'm like, so why does the, the history fact match up to what the, the mythic, you know, the literature dude said?
Speaker A:Okay, so that was a thing that some people had some problems wrapping their brains around.
Speaker A:But I don't.
Speaker A:So, so, so, so some of those people, they.
Speaker A:Where they did find coins, though they weren't just the, the, the cheap ones.
Speaker A:There are also some expensive ones.
Speaker A:And our final thing, just to combine our fun with German with burial artifacts, there is a thing called a toten pass.
Speaker A:In plural, it's toten passa.
Speaker A:A less fun way of saying it is an Orphic tablet.
Speaker A:And those are metal tablets or leaves that have instructions for how the dead person is to navigate, like all the traps waiting for them in the land of the dead.
Speaker A:And it also has the answers for the questions for the underworld judges, which I think is kind of cheating.
Speaker A:So on some of them they have found would be like, you will find a spring on your left in Hades hall and buy it.
Speaker A:The cypress with its luminous sheen.
Speaker A:Do not go near the spring or drink its water.
Speaker A:You will find another cold water flowing from memory's lake.
Speaker A:Its guardians stand before it and then it tells you like what to say and all this stuff.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So those.
Speaker A:They found two of those in a burial site and a woman from Thessaly and she had a gold Danaki is a coin that was on her lips and the face side showed the head of a gorgon like the face of Medusa.
Speaker A:And they had some earthen offerings in there and a bronze thing called a katos which I think is like an urn and that had a cremated child inside of it.
Speaker A:And there was a second coin, the sarcophagus which they think was like for the journey of the child.
Speaker A:So like maybe it was like her child.
Speaker A:It of was kind cremated.
Speaker A:There was also a Mayan statue and so I'm going to make assumption that she was part of the Dionyses cult because you know they liked mean and they didn't.
Speaker A:I didn't see anybody tell me otherwise.
Speaker A:I'm sure some of the Greek historians.
Speaker A:I'm gonna say she was from the cult.
Speaker A:Isn't that cool though?
Speaker A:Like she just sounds awesome and I. I wish I could like didn't have to wade through piles of AI crap and could actually find out more about this lovely lady.
Speaker A:But no but my head explained exploded and that's where I stopped.
Speaker A:So now we can get back to get away from our Mario rides.
Speaker B:But yeah, the shroud muncher sounds like an insult.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:It sounds like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, that's a cool one.
Speaker B:I was excited for you to do that Lore because I was like oh, this will be fun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I wish there was more stuff on it and there probably is and it's probably in German.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think here's my question and you probably know off the top of your head because I know like obviously you know they reference it in here and we've talked about and about stuff like this before.
Speaker B:Obviously the.
Speaker B:The concept of having the coin to pass came from Greek culture and.
Speaker B:And literature, not necessarily history.
Speaker B:But it doesn't that carry over.
Speaker B:Isn't.
Speaker B:Aren't there similar concepts in other cultures too where there's like you need something to pass through.
Speaker B:I mean so like there's other places too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So in Asian, Chinese funerary rights, you know you have money with which you have for the.
Speaker A:So there are var.
Speaker A:The Greek is very specific about just the coin being on the lip.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is what makes that Karen's opal.
Speaker A:Like that's.
Speaker A:But it is in different things.
Speaker A:And it kind of goes in and out.
Speaker A:You know, there is, like, the modern tradition of.
Speaker A:At veterans graves of leaving coins, which is like, another way.
Speaker A:This is just kind of passed down.
Speaker A:Although in some places, they ask you not to do that because then it goes into the mower and then.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But yeah, so they have, like, Victoria.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:Victorian times.
Speaker A:They did it too.
Speaker A:It just kind of.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's a cultural thing.
Speaker A:Some of it can also be a class thing.
Speaker A:I was reading, you know, in some of this, it was.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:By saying, like, you had.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You could.
Speaker A:Like, I can clearly afford to pay to go across the river.
Speaker A:Sticks.
Speaker B:Like, right.
Speaker B:Like, I have a show.
Speaker B:I want to make sure everybody can see that I can afford that I have the status.
Speaker A:But because it's a lesser thing.
Speaker A:Like, it's supposed to be that everybody can.
Speaker A:They can do it.
Speaker A:But again, they said, like, they weren't finding everybody buried with it.
Speaker A:So Basil could also be a status thing and that.
Speaker A:I find that, you know, especially in the western worlds a lot of times, you know, like in those burials, it'll, like, the coins will be part of, like, it's to show status.
Speaker B:Got it.
Speaker B:I'm just curious.
Speaker B:I know you.
Speaker B:You've spent more time reading on that than I have, so.
Speaker B:But it's something I've.
Speaker B:I've observed enough to know that I'm like.
Speaker B:I've seen seeing this correlation.
Speaker B:So it's interesting.
Speaker B:And we get it as part of our lore today, only with pennies that aren't made of copper anymore.
Speaker A:So, yeah, they're gonna go.
Speaker A:And they're gonna go into.
Speaker A:Sam's gonna go into the gas and sit.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And while he is in there, Mrs. Markham wakes up and she is panicking as you would if you woke up in the backseat of a strange dog.
Speaker A:What is this smell?
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:It smells terrible.
Speaker B:And now adding to the smell is a head in the cooler.
Speaker B:Keep in mind there's a head in a cooler.
Speaker A:Like, there's.
Speaker A:Everything is covered in blood.
Speaker B:It's a mess.
Speaker B:It's gotta smell so bad now with the blood.
Speaker B:It's sunny out.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker B:Gross.
Speaker B:And blood just has a smell.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:So anyway, so she looks inside the cooler and freaks out, like you would if you looked inside a cooler and saw an alive head inside of it.
Speaker A:He's like, that's just my ghoul pyre.
Speaker A:Don't.
Speaker A:Don't you worry about it.
Speaker A:Maybe I should.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe out the back seat.
Speaker A:Maybe we'll put it in Trunk.
Speaker B:So he does go put it in trunk.
Speaker B:Good for him.
Speaker B:But she's like, starts rambling about how, you know, how you would do anything for family, but she's done it wrong and now she's ruined everything and she's put her family at risk and they were right to attack.
Speaker B:And this is taking a weird, weird, weird turn.
Speaker A:Where's this story going?
Speaker B:Yeah, but she knows how to make it right.
Speaker B:And Sam is still inside like flirting with the fucking clerk at the Gas and Zip.
Speaker A:And so do you remember about pennies?
Speaker A:Oh, I would like.
Speaker A:Do you know, I just a girl in the back seat of a car.
Speaker A:Do I smell like sex still?
Speaker A:Because I don't think I showered.
Speaker A:Ew.
Speaker B:No, because he slept in the car.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker A:He has not showered.
Speaker A:He still.
Speaker A:He still smells like other woman.
Speaker B:But they've changed.
Speaker A:He changed in the front.
Speaker A:He put clothes on.
Speaker A:I don't know if he changed.
Speaker B:Well, they put their suits on briefly, remember?
Speaker A:Okay, that's true.
Speaker A:He has.
Speaker A:Okay, so maybe he has showered.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker B:Or maybe he at least changed his underwear.
Speaker A:But I have not seen anywhere where they stopped at a motel and.
Speaker B:Nope, no motel stops on this one.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker B:It's motel, baby.
Speaker A:They have whore bathed.
Speaker B:So either way he's still flirting.
Speaker B:And Lily Markham totally attacks Dean and drags him over into the back seat.
Speaker B:And they are beating the out of each other.
Speaker A:They just have a brutal fight.
Speaker B:Yeah, she gets the upper hand, jumps into the driver's seat and peels out while Sam runs after shooting at the car.
Speaker A:I don't know if this is a good choice.
Speaker A:I mean, he should have the windshield.
Speaker B:This time.
Speaker B:He gets the back window.
Speaker B:This time.
Speaker A:You'Re not aiming at things like, you're just shooting like, okay, wild.
Speaker A:So then we cut to her handcuffing Dean behind his back while she sings creepily about making things right.
Speaker B:Yeah, and it's so weird.
Speaker B:And he sees that she is somehow putting the head back on the deputy.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she's putting him back together.
Speaker A:It was like.
Speaker A:He's like, wait, I shot this.
Speaker A:You know, he did shoot the deputy.
Speaker A:It is a deputy, but the deputy is the sheriff.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So yeah, she puts him back together.
Speaker A:And we also realize now that this is where we started in.
Speaker A:In the beginning of the episode.
Speaker B:The intro.
Speaker B:Yes, because we got the train noises in the background.
Speaker B:Dean is looking around through the backseat to figure out what tools he's had.
Speaker B:As Baby is getting driven down the road.
Speaker B:He can see a machete.
Speaker B:He can see a Hello, kitty lunchbox on the floor.
Speaker B:And our sheriff is now the driver.
Speaker B:And I believe they started calling him Deputy Dumbass somewhere around this time as an aside.
Speaker B:But anyway, so he knows that Dean is awake, and he knows that Dean is a hunter.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, cool.
Speaker B:Well, I know you're a pack leader.
Speaker B:Haha.
Speaker A:In the Maker.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:And he's like, I thought y' all usually keep a low profile.
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah, we usually do, but Lily killed her husband and went a little wild, and I don't know if he didn't.
Speaker B:And she's like, yeah, if you don't.
Speaker A:Join your food people who don't join our food.
Speaker A:And that is the my next campaign slogan.
Speaker A:That'll.
Speaker A:That'll give people the polls.
Speaker A:All right, so Dean is searching between the seats for anything that will help.
Speaker A:And he finds Piper's pet.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And so he's going to start picking his handcuffs because obviously.
Speaker B:And our sheriff is like, oh, yeah, Lily's.
Speaker B:You know, just like.
Speaker B:You know, like all these others.
Speaker B:And you know, we weren't going to kill her anyways.
Speaker B:She just had to get punished because she up this.
Speaker A:You silly billy.
Speaker A:The cult wasn't gonna keep you out.
Speaker A:We were just gonna teach you a lesson, and you just weren't properly trained.
Speaker A:And that's on me.
Speaker A:You know, like, as a good cult leader, I should be properly training you how to kill your husband.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker B:And bury him if he doesn't comply.
Speaker B:But the deputy.
Speaker B:But our.
Speaker B:Our deputy, dumbass.
Speaker B:AKA Sheriff Donnelly, AKA whatever you want to call him with his headstone back on Maker.
Speaker B:Dean's asking him questions because he's like, y' all are supposed to keep it low profile.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:What the hell's going on?
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah, in the last hundred years, I've only turned three people.
Speaker B:But in the last month, I've turned 16 because I need help.
Speaker B:I need to build an army.
Speaker B:And why am I building an army, you may ask?
Speaker A:To fight the darkness.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's coming for all of us.
Speaker A:And there's nothing, any hunters or humans or anything that can stop it.
Speaker A:So the monsters are scared?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's a bad sign, I would say.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's usually not good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And our sheriff's like, yeah, you can't stop it either, by the way, bro.
Speaker B:But your brother is going to make a nice addition to my little monster army.
Speaker B:I sent him a text and I've got him in my trap.
Speaker B:But he's like.
Speaker A:And you would make a Good soldier, too.
Speaker A:But, you know, I can't forgive the whole chopping off of my head thing.
Speaker B:Which is fair.
Speaker A:Which is either fair, but then they're also like, don't worry.
Speaker A:We are nose to tail here, so you will be your brother's first meal.
Speaker B:Gross.
Speaker B:But also, I mean, I guess that's good.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Dean.
Speaker A:Wasteful.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Dean has managed to undo his cuffs, obviously, and starts choking our sheriff and manages to help steer the baby into a water barricade.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And those are like the plastic?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They'Re full of water.
Speaker B:They're temporary ones.
Speaker B:And he manages to pull himself up in the back seat.
Speaker B:And he appears.
Speaker B:He's alone in the car.
Speaker B:Lily's just laying down.
Speaker B:But our.
Speaker B:Our sheriff has flown through the front windshield.
Speaker B:And so now there's no front or back glass in this car.
Speaker A:Which also is super annoying if you.
Speaker B:Didn'T know to replace.
Speaker B:But anyways, not to mention the vacuum.
Speaker A:Out all those little pieces of glass.
Speaker B:God, what a pan.
Speaker B:The ass.
Speaker B:Well, and then apparently our sheriff has a chunk of glass in his face.
Speaker B:Super gross.
Speaker B:We watch him pull it out.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker B:It's upsetting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so Dean is going through things and trying to, like, figure out.
Speaker A:So he discards.
Speaker A:He finds a machete next to the hello Kitty bag.
Speaker A:And I bet there are drugs in that bag.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, he.
Speaker B:Of course there are.
Speaker B:This is the chick that was like, the friend.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That bag is full of weed and ecstasy.
Speaker B:But he does manage to find a bunch of penny.
Speaker B:A bunch of coins in the coin purse.
Speaker B:And you know, there's pennies in there, and he's not even going to dig through them.
Speaker B:He's just gonna have a handful of coins.
Speaker B:And our sheriff tries to fight him as Lily's awaking.
Speaker B:And he gets to fight both.
Speaker B:But he does manage to shove an entire handful of change into the sheriff's mouth and then slams his head.
Speaker B:Neck in the car door until it pops off.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But before he does that.
Speaker A:So Lily, I've decided.
Speaker A:I started calling her the widow pyre.
Speaker A:So the widow Pyre, she tagged into this fight and she does bite Dean's neck.
Speaker A:Which goes back to Wiggin earlier.
Speaker A:This is not virally transmitted.
Speaker A:Yes, but the sheriff is turning people.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker A:So how.
Speaker B:They don't really say.
Speaker B:They don't really say.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And they say that if they're dead, then how are they going to turn back to human?
Speaker B:That's my other question.
Speaker A:Yeah, so I.
Speaker A:They go.
Speaker A:They go A little off the lore there in order to make this work for the story, so.
Speaker A:But I also disappreciate.
Speaker A:I think my term widow pyre was as good as Dean's vampire.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So then we get like just the decapitation with the door.
Speaker B:It's distressing.
Speaker B:Poor baby.
Speaker A:Poor, poor baby.
Speaker B:Poor, poor baby.
Speaker B:This whole episode.
Speaker B:Poor baby.
Speaker B:She's stinky.
Speaker B:She just got ran into a barricade.
Speaker B:She ain't got glass.
Speaker B:She got shot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Baby wants a spa day.
Speaker B:Baby needs a spot.
Speaker B:She started off with a spa day.
Speaker A:She started off with a spa day.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:She was like 48 hours ago.
Speaker A:So this is so good.
Speaker A:I'm getting washed.
Speaker A:And then she's like, oh, we're getting.
Speaker A:It's getting all like.
Speaker A:We get a little sexy time in here.
Speaker A:And then it's like, oh, it's all turned.
Speaker A:It's all gone horribly wrong.
Speaker B:So wrong.
Speaker B:So wrong.
Speaker A:It's all curdled and gross.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Dean apologizes to baby for making her do these horrible things.
Speaker A:Things.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Lily wakes up and she's human now.
Speaker B:And she's very upset because now she remembers that she is a person and she has killed her husband.
Speaker B:And she has children somewhere.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Did I eat my husband?
Speaker A:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:Oh, dear.
Speaker B:Did I eat my kids?
Speaker A:No, just her.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:Is it hard for that?
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Dean's gonna go find Sam because in all this.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Remember, Sam was set up in a trap.
Speaker B:Well, I guess he doesn't have to worry about a trap now.
Speaker B:Because apparently all these ghoul pyres are no longer ghoul pyres.
Speaker B:They're back.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Human.
Speaker B:But ghoul pyres should.
Speaker B:Anyways, we'll come back on the lore on that in a minute.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So baby struggles to start.
Speaker A:Yeah, she's struggling.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But she does turn over after some tries.
Speaker A:And he tells her to hang on.
Speaker A:And they turn him around.
Speaker A:They go down the road and they.
Speaker B:Get pulled to this creepy ass series.
Speaker A:Of farmhouses, some shacks.
Speaker A:They pull into Shackville.
Speaker A:They pull into shantytown Dog.
Speaker B:Why so creepy?
Speaker B:And Sam's standing there.
Speaker A:This is where the were panthers in.
Speaker A:In.
Speaker A:In True Blood Lab.
Speaker A:This is the Oregon version of them.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam is there with two kids.
Speaker B:And Lily goes to the kids.
Speaker B:And Sam has also obviously gotten his ass kicked.
Speaker B:He is beaten up and bloodied too.
Speaker B:And yeah, they.
Speaker B:They both ease their way back into the car.
Speaker B:And Sam has also been informed about the plan to build an army to fight the darkness.
Speaker B:By courtesy of deputy.
Speaker B:The children's.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, yeah, we need to.
Speaker B:We need to end this now.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, you're right.
Speaker B:But can we wait till tomorrow and let you know?
Speaker B:Both agree to let Cass heal us because we look like.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker B:They get back in, and it's cute because Sam refers to baby as home.
Speaker A:Kind of sad.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:Magazine says, let's go home.
Speaker A:And Sam passed baby.
Speaker A:It's like, we are home.
Speaker B:And then we get to listen to Night Moves again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they drive off and they just leave this family.
Speaker A:So this family that just got like, this mom that just, like, ate her husband and, like, has no idea what.
Speaker A:Like, they didn't explain to this woman what the happened with Deputy Dumbass.
Speaker A:Like, why, like, he was, like, able to be in the cooler.
Speaker A:And so they just drove off and left them.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:But they always do that.
Speaker B:They always leave people, like, all up.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:It's verging on.
Speaker A:It's getting really bad, guys.
Speaker A:Like, this is.
Speaker A:This is a little traumatizing.
Speaker A:Like, the last one was bad.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:This is worse.
Speaker A:I think this one's worse than last time.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:A trail of trauma in their way.
Speaker A:And also, like, this by not explaining it right.
Speaker B:Like, trauma that's even worse.
Speaker A:I mean, at least with, like, some of the veiny, rabid people, there was some explanation of, like, there is a.
Speaker A:An immortal, like an Eve giant thing that we don't really understand.
Speaker A:It farted.
Speaker A:And we think that happened.
Speaker A:And, you know, so they got some explanation.
Speaker A:Like these people were just like, bye.
Speaker A:Sorry you ate your husband.
Speaker B:Sucks to be you.
Speaker B:Bye.
Speaker A:Yeah, enjoy that therapy, Bill.
Speaker A:And trying to explain to a therapist, did that really happen?
Speaker A:Enjoy jail.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's the other layer.
Speaker B:Or is there no to rest?
Speaker B:Because now the deputy, like, the sheriff deputy, dude, he's dead.
Speaker B:And the original shirt, like, I don't know.
Speaker B:They gotta bring somebody.
Speaker B:And it's weird.
Speaker A:I know the FBI is going to have to come in here and be like, okay, so law enforcement officer.
Speaker A:This is a capital.
Speaker A:She's got capital murder.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:Texas Rangers would be there.
Speaker A:Yeah, the Texas Rangers are coming.
Speaker A:But it's Oregon, so.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they have a couple of things to say just about like the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The how this was made stuff.
Speaker A:But let's.
Speaker A:Let's talk about who the people were who made the thing.
Speaker A:Casting couch is the.
Speaker A:The casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy.
Speaker B:Yeah, we don't have a huge cast in this.
Speaker A:Wouldn't fit in, baby.
Speaker B:They wouldn't fit in, car.
Speaker B:But our Deputy Donnelly, AKA Acting Sheriff, AKA Deputy Dass, was played by Teach Grant.
Speaker B: He's been in episodes of the: Speaker B:He was also in Henry in It Chapter two.
Speaker B:Lily Markham was played by Sarah Jane Redmond, and she's been in episodes of X Files v, Fringe, Arrow, Once Upon a Time in Wonderland, Almost Human, I, Zombie, Unreal, the Good Doctor and Fall of the House of Usher, which I.
Speaker A:Keep meaning to watch.
Speaker B:She was Tibby's mother in Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, Nell in Smallville, which was about a dozen episodes, Mrs. Kemper in the chilling Adventures of Sabrina, which was a handful of episodes, and Elaine in Siren, which a couple of dozen episodes.
Speaker A:So as you kind of mentioned earlier, there was, if you didn't notice, there was no score for this episode.
Speaker A:So all the music is what is called diegetic.
Speaker A:And it was either coming from.
Speaker A:And so all the music either came from an outside source or it came from the Impala's cassette deck.
Speaker A:And so all the scenes for the episode involving that cassette deck were from Swan song in Season 5 episode episode 22, which is also where all the things in the beginning, what we saw, like the army men and all that stuff, was from that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So one of.
Speaker A:So one of the cars they used was a cutaway.
Speaker A:So the roof, the front, the back, and the doors could all come off and they could even remove the floor and the picture.
Speaker A:Car coordinator Jeff Budnick said for Nerdist, there are a lot of shots in the episode that are like that.
Speaker A:So how did they get that shot?
Speaker A:Most likely, that's the kind of car we use.
Speaker A:And he said it was the busiest show they've done in 11 years.
Speaker A:They had all eight cars working and wrecking them.
Speaker A:A lot of stuff we had to build before the crash.
Speaker A:So they had to figure out what the damage was the crash was going to do and then, like, crash it to make it look like it.
Speaker A:So it was a lot of taking cars apart and then putting them back together.
Speaker A:And they said, you think it turned out really good.
Speaker A:Five of the cars had to receive new headliners because the cameras ripped out the.
Speaker A:Ripped through the existing ones.
Speaker A:And then it was just a lot of work to get them back to normal.
Speaker A:Jensen Ackles said, what, like, just where the Cameras were.
Speaker A:Were also making it kind of difficult.
Speaker A:And so what was really weird is when I would have a full camera rig because they take the windshield out and they would just mount a big camera right on the hood and was probably this close for my face while I'm driving on an actual road and I'm driving a real car, and they had real life passengers, and basically my focal point is completely gone.
Speaker A:So I'm using peripher vision to drive the car.
Speaker A:And they said.
Speaker A:And this is where Padalecki jumped in and joked that Ackles was also using the screaming of passerby to navigate the car.
Speaker A:So that would be hard.
Speaker B:I was wondering about that, because I was like, that makes sense.
Speaker B:Because if you think about some of those shots, they're all really tight shots.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They're not all green screen.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, they're not just, like, where they're sitting in the car.
Speaker A:Like, you.
Speaker A:Like, people can't see me doing my duty where I.
Speaker A:But you know, where you're pretending to drive.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Some of them, like, he's actually driving with a camera, and, like, that's.
Speaker A:That's just not so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's why.
Speaker A:So, yeah, leave it to Supernatural to be like, why don't we shoot entire car from the poa.
Speaker A:You know, po.
Speaker A:View of baby?
Speaker A:And they did.
Speaker A:And it was cool.
Speaker B:It was cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I really enjoyed that.
Speaker B:I thought that was a really neat approach, and they were able to tell a really good story from an interesting perspective.
Speaker B:And, yeah, I liked it.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:But I also was sad about the damage that baby sustained, because obviously it is.
Speaker A:But we also know that in Miracle at Supernatural Land, your Impala is regenerating by itself.
Speaker A:And it's like a.
Speaker A:It's like a starfish.
Speaker A:And as you break things and they just.
Speaker A:Just go back, that's what that.
Speaker A:This happens in the garage of the bunker.
Speaker B:They must have a really good glass supply there, right?
Speaker A:And tires.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:So many tires.
Speaker B:I'm sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And oil.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:How much oil does baby take?
Speaker B:Probably a lot.
Speaker B:And also, they all either burn a little bit or leak a little bit on an old car.
Speaker B:That's just how it goes.
Speaker A:I'm just like, you're driving her so much.
Speaker A:Like, this is like.
Speaker A:Like the Exxon Valdez has gone through.
Speaker B:Trip after road trip.
Speaker B:Yeah, all road trips all the time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, she broke down, like, it was like every.
Speaker A:On every hunt, right?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:That's what.
Speaker A:How the old car is really, like.
Speaker B:Y' all for real.
Speaker A:I have all right.
Speaker A:So to echo the words and they said in, in this episode, I think we'll end it.
Speaker A:So cheers, jerk.
Speaker B:Cheers, bitch.
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Speaker A:Meow.
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Speaker B:Going up to the spirit in the sky that's where I'm gonna go when I die When I die and they lay me to go to the place I.
