12:02 Mamma Mia
Mamma Mia, it's episode 2 of Season 12. Lady Fancypants is now going to try to take on all the Winchesters, including a newly sprung from the dead Mary. In lore, we continue the story of the Victorian character, Anna Kingsford.
Research Links
- Vivisection - Wikipedia
- Theosophy - Wikipedia
- Anna Kingsford and Helena Blavatsky – Arnaldo Sisson Filho and Marina Cesar
- Health, Beauty and the Toilet: Letters to Ladies from a Lady Doctor
- Red Cactus: The Life of Anna Kingsford - Alan Pert - Google Livros
- Madame Blavatsky's baboon : a history of the mystics, mediums, and misfits who brought spiritualism to America : Washington, Peter : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
- The Strange Story of Anna Kingsford - The Cabinet of Curiosity
- W. B. Yeats and "A Vision": The Hermetic Society
- Cipher Manuscripts - Wikipedia
- The True Story Of The Hermetic Order Of The Golden Dawn
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we discuss which is worse, Red wine on white satin sheets or Crowley's.
Speaker B:Balls of sulfuric acid in your face.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Davil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:And I'm Liz.
Speaker A:And this week we're going to Talk Season 12, Episode 2 Mamma Mia.
Speaker B:Here we go again.
Speaker B:My.
Speaker B:My.
Speaker A:Camera.
Speaker B:Has its place.
Speaker B:They have their moments.
Speaker B:There's times when ABBA is appropriate.
Speaker B:Some college friends who really enjoyed them.
Speaker A:I'm sure I, you know what?
Speaker A:I don't like to put down what other people like and that's fine, but I don't have to like it also.
Speaker A:Ah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So what have you been up to?
Speaker A:I have been a busy little bee.
Speaker A:I feel like.
Speaker A:No, I'm in full holiday prep in my world.
Speaker A:In a good way.
Speaker A:I'm very happy about where I'm at on all of that and getting to the house is all Christmassy and.
Speaker A:Yeah, getting to.
Speaker A:I feel like I've done a lot of activities.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's what I got.
Speaker A:That's what I got today.
Speaker A:How about you, Liz?
Speaker B:You know, I would say that I've been watching other people get my house ready for Christmas and I have hauled some things over from, from another house and let them like I've opened boxes so I feel like I have contributed to, I've paid for things.
Speaker B:So I feel like, you know, I've, I've contributed to Christmas counts.
Speaker B:Yeah, went and saw the, you know, I went and saw bands that happens, you know, sometimes.
Speaker B:I went and saw Bouncing Souls in Austin.
Speaker B:That was fun.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna cough now.
Speaker B:They had a really good opening band that had a terrible name because I can't remember what it is.
Speaker B:I do remember commenting at the time, all of us going, that's a terrible name.
Speaker B:I will not remember what it is.
Speaker B:You're not.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then the other hardcore band from our past, H2O opened and I had a good time guessing which over muscled guy was an H2O.
Speaker B:And I think I picked out all of them correctly.
Speaker B:Most of it was just like, that man has no neck, he's an H2O.
Speaker B:And I did that.
Speaker B:I did that.
Speaker B:Swell.
Speaker A:I was bummed we missed that one in Dallas.
Speaker A:I had a bunch of stuff going on that day.
Speaker A:So, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's not like they're not a band I haven't seen this year, but, you know, so I, I Got a little bit of punk rock in for a change and.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:And you know, just trying to recover from a lot of things during our break.
Speaker B:We missed our five year anniversary.
Speaker B:So the show has been on for.
Speaker B:For five years, which would have been.
Speaker B:Well, it happened right in between season 11 and season 12.
Speaker A:And it was.
Speaker B:So November 25th is our.
Speaker B:Was our five year.
Speaker B:So happy anniversary and thanks to all of you who have been listening for five years.
Speaker B:What the hell is wrong with you?
Speaker B:Or did we pay you?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But that's crazy, though.
Speaker A:Five years, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:Five freaking years.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Thanks, Liz, for talking me into it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, good times.
Speaker B:Good times.
Speaker B:I'm almost finished with my first with the first More Lore book.
Speaker B:And so that's about to have stuff happen with it.
Speaker B:I don't know what's gonna happen with it, but you'll be able to buy it somewhere once I figure out.
Speaker B:Once I figure out what the hell I'm doing with it.
Speaker B:So probably be able to buy in person online, digitally.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker B:Anyhow, so look.
Speaker B:Look forward to that.
Speaker B:And you know, we are into the weirdness that is in season.
Speaker B:That is season 12.
Speaker B:Season 12 and Mamma Mia.
Speaker B:Which I was.
Speaker A:We made.
Speaker B:We both already made the ABBA jokes.
Speaker B:So that is what that is based on it, of course, because of Mary.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:Last saw him was Episode I can't redo.
Speaker B:My numbers are backwards.
Speaker B:I have.
Speaker B:Okay, so he did episode four, baby.
Speaker B:He did episode 21 on the family and he did episode 10, the devil in the Detail.
Speaker B:So put that in order in your mind.
Speaker B:And then it was written by the.
Speaker B:The duo Buckner and Ross Lemming.
Speaker B:And they did a whole bunch of things last season, including episode 21's all in the Family.
Speaker B:So we, you know, this is pretty much, you know, traditional showrunner people type.
Speaker B:They're not the showrunner, what's his name, who wrote last week's as a new showrunner.
Speaker B:But but anyways, you tried and true Supernatural people.
Speaker B:But so, but even they like.
Speaker B:So here was some, you know, here's what they do with this episode.
Speaker A:So let's.
Speaker B:Let's talk about.
Speaker B:About this.
Speaker B:We do get like a really good recap and you get to see the Castifer blend in there.
Speaker B:And that was really good.
Speaker B:We get reminded about the burning of Sam's feet and Mary stabbing.
Speaker B:So like, that was a really good, you know, on the road so far.
Speaker B:Whatever you call them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But then we go from there into a.
Speaker B:A bedroom.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We are in a bedroom in the farmhouse and we are having Sam and Tony sexy time.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:What the is happening here?
Speaker A:And she's like asking him interview questions during sexy time.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:And they're having wine in bed on white sheets, extra.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's a terrible idea.
Speaker B:The wine in bed is.
Speaker B:Is one thing that's bad.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:You know, that's it.
Speaker B:Is it.
Speaker B:It's in my notes.
Speaker B:But there is just gratuitous Padalecki here.
Speaker B:There's so much like half naked Sam.
Speaker B:And it doesn't wonder if so.
Speaker B:And Dab is a new showrunner.
Speaker B:If like after last week and this week, if he was just like, oh, so the theme this season is just going to be gratuitous Padalecki.
Speaker A:But it was something.
Speaker A:Well, either way, we've got her.
Speaker A:Them discussing how all the UK hunters basically work for the Men of Letters.
Speaker A:And she just doesn't really understand how Tony doesn't under.
Speaker A:Really understand how us hunters aren't saying centralized in any way, shape or form.
Speaker A:And she's asking Sam about that.
Speaker A:So weird.
Speaker A:So weird.
Speaker A:So we cut to Dean on the phone with Cass, who's out looking for Sam.
Speaker A:And Dean's.
Speaker A:They're discussing.
Speaker A:Dean's telling Cassiel how weird it is with Mary.
Speaker A:It's like it's just there.
Speaker A:You can't really have normal small talk with her because it's her mom, but.
Speaker A:And Castiel gives Dean the stage advice to not make it complicated.
Speaker A:But then Mary walks in.
Speaker A:All right, so Dean's on the phone with Casp.
Speaker A:And the.
Speaker A:Dean's in the bunker.
Speaker A:Castiel's out looking for Sam.
Speaker A:And Dean's trying to confide in Cass that it's real awkward trying to make small talk with Mary.
Speaker A:And Castiel has the sage advice of don't make it complicated.
Speaker A:And Mary comes in and is basically like, hi.
Speaker A:Overheard all of that.
Speaker A:Sorry I'm making things weird.
Speaker A:By the way, I also want to help find Sam.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, cool.
Speaker A:By the way, I'm really glad you're back.
Speaker A:It's okay that things are awkward.
Speaker A:And I get, you know, we all understand everybody.
Speaker A:Mary's like, I just need time to catch up.
Speaker A:It'll be fine.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But she also doesn't know how she's gonna face Sam because ye came because she started this.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:I mean, we know that it's not news.
Speaker B:It's just that she feels really guilty about it.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:It was just invoking.
Speaker A:She's acknowledging and invoking Yellow Eyes to Dean and all of them.
Speaker A:So that's all.
Speaker A:Anyways, I just appreciated her talking about it.
Speaker A:So here we go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, it was in Mary's head.
Speaker B:In Mary's head that just happened.
Speaker B:Yellow Eyes was yesterday.
Speaker B:It wasn't.
Speaker B:It wasn't.
Speaker B:You know how many years it's been in between.
Speaker B:You know, between them?
Speaker B:It hasn't been 22 years.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we cut back to the farmhouse bed where Sam and Tony are laying around talking about hunting.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker A:It's so weird.
Speaker A:And she's like, I don't know.
Speaker A:And she's just talking on.
Speaker A:It's so weird.
Speaker A:But then he starts having, like, flashbacks of torture and being in the basement.
Speaker A:So now we know that this ain't real, because that's how we know.
Speaker A:And the show is telling us as the viewer, that, thank God, Sam's not in bed with this crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I think most of us probably had an inkling that he was being tortured when she was asking questions during sexy time.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Most of us probably thought, hey, this.
Speaker A:Might not be real.
Speaker B:This might not be, you know, what's going on.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So he gets out of his dream state, and we find out that what she had was.
Speaker B:It was a potion, and it gave him that hallucination.
Speaker B:But she can't do it twice, otherwise his brain would liquefy.
Speaker B:And she's just gonna go after the torture tray.
Speaker B:And she has so many things to choose from, and she just picks up a knife and she's so boring.
Speaker A:So basic anyways, so fancy pants.
Speaker A:But she's gonna, like, stab him in the fucking face.
Speaker A:Like, what the fuck?
Speaker A:That's rude.
Speaker A:So rude.
Speaker B:Kind of, like slice him.
Speaker B:I don't know what she's doing with it.
Speaker B:I don't appreciate it.
Speaker B:She does say that enhanced interrogation was not in her job description, but clearly she was not trained well.
Speaker B:Regardless.
Speaker B:So we go from there to the bunker where Mary is telling Dean about how great a father John Winchester was.
Speaker B:And I'm just rolling on the ground, dying of laughter.
Speaker A:And Dean's face is showing that maybe he kind of is not sold on this either.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And she is like, she.
Speaker B:She had a dream about John.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:But luckily, they get interrupted by Castiel, who has found the farmhouse where he believes Sam is.
Speaker A:And it is powerfully warded.
Speaker A:And it's like, you should have led with that.
Speaker B:And poor Cass.
Speaker B:And so he's gonna text him the Address.
Speaker B:And he as try as he might to take this on himself and to get away from Mary.
Speaker B:Like Bailey to get Mary to stay home.
Speaker B:And she's just like, nope.
Speaker A:She's like, no, I'm coming.
Speaker A:Remember, I was 102.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:Anyways, we've got in what's happening in the farmhouse, though, is fancy pants.
Speaker A:And Sam, she's like, I want the names and locations of all of the hunters.
Speaker B:And she's changed out of her fancy pants, so she's into like a skirt suit now.
Speaker B:And who wears that for torture?
Speaker B:It does not seem like an appropriate torture outfit.
Speaker B:Outfit?
Speaker B:I'm not sure what's going on in your organization, but I do not find these clothes anywhere appropriate.
Speaker A:It's not the right thing to wear.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And she's like, she also wants all of their Men of Letters information because they're sitting on this treasure trove, which is fair, but she also wants to know about his relationship with the demon Ruby.
Speaker B:Yeah, and Sam's.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:The face just kind of echoes all of us.
Speaker B:We're like, what?
Speaker A:The Ruby, like, that's old news.
Speaker B:Like, where are you getting your info?
Speaker B:How about.
Speaker B:Okay, fine, I guess we'll talk.
Speaker B:We can talk about Ruby and.
Speaker B:But then she gets the call, and we learned that she has gone rogue.
Speaker B:So Tony gets a call and we learn that she has gone rogue and somebody has come to fetch her.
Speaker B:And also, by the way, your bitch is dead.
Speaker B:Thanks to Dean Winchester.
Speaker B:Winchester.
Speaker B:Dean Winchester and his friends.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No more Ms. Watt.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And Tony did not know this.
Speaker A:So she is shocked by all of this.
Speaker A:We cut to a very fancy lunch date with our friend Rowena because she is having a lovely lunch where she is telling her date Ben that she is the star of the Royal Ballet.
Speaker A:As he talks about how he came up at through from the steel mills and now owns several.
Speaker A:And they get their wine poured by Crowley.
Speaker A:So Crowley and Rowena are gonna go chat in the stairwell where he's like, look, you're grifting this rich dude, but honestly, I need your help with Lucifer.
Speaker A:So come on, you gotta do me a favor or I'm gonna blow up your scene here.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna tell him you're a 300 year old witch.
Speaker B:So unless you help me with Lucifer.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which you know, can put a damper on a relationship.
Speaker B:So we go from there to a concert and we see.
Speaker B:And I'm so is gonna just say I and trying to think of nice things to say here.
Speaker B:We see it.
Speaker B:We see a rock star who is just of an age.
Speaker A:They call this a legacy act.
Speaker A:That's what we call that.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Vince Vincente is on his world tour, rocking and rolling on the club circuit.
Speaker A:Now this time they are playing Cleveland.
Speaker B:I've heard it sucks.
Speaker A:That's Cleveland.
Speaker A:So they're going.
Speaker A:So Vince walks backstage and goes to the green room where he pours himself a shot.
Speaker A:And his band maid is like trying to talk and group.
Speaker A:You're trying to talk him into going out and down and see what this town's all about.
Speaker B:You, man.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What band does that at that age?
Speaker B:No thing.
Speaker B:No band is still going out with groupies at that age.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:You're all in bed.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker A:But Vince just wants to pour a shot and stare at the picture of his dead girlfriend.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Sad and fine.
Speaker A:So either way.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's very.
Speaker A:It is a sad scene.
Speaker A:And so Bambite leaves him alone.
Speaker A:The lights are flickering.
Speaker A:The picture falls over.
Speaker A:And then we go away from that scene.
Speaker A:So we know something's gonna happen here.
Speaker A:But we don't know what yet.
Speaker A:So Dean and Mary are driving to the farmhouse.
Speaker A:And Dean is going to share some info with Mary about John.
Speaker A:That her death changed dad and that it took him over and as well as Dean.
Speaker A:But it didn't happen to Sam that way.
Speaker A:Sam actually wanted out of hunting.
Speaker A:Went to Stanford briefly.
Speaker A:And she's like.
Speaker A:But he got out and he came back.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, yeah, you know, dad disappeared.
Speaker A:And we realized that we're all.
Speaker A:All we had was each other.
Speaker A:So yeah, he came back to hunting.
Speaker A:So Mary knows a little more of what went down now.
Speaker A:Not the full full, but a little more.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:So we go back to vents.
Speaker A:And I was pretty certain this was his fancy condo.
Speaker A:But I think it's a hotel.
Speaker B:It's a hotel.
Speaker B:And he's traveling around with photos of his dead wife or girlfriend.
Speaker B:And that's fucking.
Speaker B:Because it's been years.
Speaker B:And that's a lot of photos to.
Speaker B:To take to a hotel.
Speaker B:One of anybody, whether they're alive or dead.
Speaker A:Who.
Speaker B:Who takes photos with them when they travel?
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Like multiple.
Speaker A:Like a handful in frames.
Speaker A:A lot.
Speaker A:A lot.
Speaker B:Does he make his poor assistant travel around with those photographs?
Speaker B:And like then they had to set them up in every goddamn hotel room.
Speaker B:It's in his writer.
Speaker B:Somebody has to PR Frame them.
Speaker A:No, he travels with those.
Speaker A:They're the same ones.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's washing his face.
Speaker A:And then everybody's like, worst Horror movie nightmare comes true where the water turns to blood.
Speaker A:Then he's washing his face in blood.
Speaker A:It's awful.
Speaker A:It's terrifying.
Speaker A:I don't like it.
Speaker A:Isn't that an upsetting one?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I mean, that's the thing that happens in movies.
Speaker A:No, I don't like it.
Speaker B:I mean, I think I just.
Speaker B:I'm upset because I have, like, a trauma about water not working.
Speaker B:So I'm just like, what the is wrong with my.
Speaker B:Well, like, that's like my thought.
Speaker B:Thought.
Speaker B:Not that it's blood, just like, oh, my God, how much is it going to cost me?
Speaker B:And how much.
Speaker B:How long am I going to have to not be able to flush my toilet?
Speaker B:That's my thought when I see blood coming out of my sink.
Speaker B:So beyond that, the light.
Speaker B:So we get the blood, we get lights flickering.
Speaker B:We need a woman calling his name.
Speaker B:And then he's like, I'm just going to call the concierge, see if they can help.
Speaker B:But the front desk is.
Speaker B:Is not assisting.
Speaker A:And then we have the appearance of Jen.
Speaker A:And she is apologizing for being selfish and swallowing pills.
Speaker A:And he's apologizing for how he treated her and asks if she's a ghost.
Speaker A:She's like, no, I'm an angel, but I'm also very powerful.
Speaker A:But I can bring you peace if you invite me in.
Speaker A:Gross.
Speaker A:Eyes turn red and then they kiss.
Speaker B:And then Lucifer goes inside him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we cut to Rowena and Crowley, and they are in a lair.
Speaker A:That's what I'm calling it.
Speaker A:And she is doing a spell to find Lucifer.
Speaker A:And Crowley's getting impatient, and she reminds him that this is witchcraft, not Google Maps, which I appreciate.
Speaker B:Not the Google Maps works for, but.
Speaker B:And she also points out that she doesn't have any, like, hair, any.
Speaker B:Anything that we normally do for a locator spell.
Speaker B:And Crowley's like, have you suggested looking for the aura of pure evil?
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Which I think is an appropriate thing to remind your mother of.
Speaker B:But we learned that Rowena has some plans and she is going to live a.
Speaker B:She's going red.
Speaker B:She's going to retire to Boca Raton with Ben, and she just know he's stable and she is going to outlive him.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And car is like, that's fine.
Speaker A:But also after we find Lucifer.
Speaker A:You're not done.
Speaker A:You're gonna help me put him back in the cage too.
Speaker A:And if you don't, I will come after Ben too.
Speaker A:And she's pissed, but it is what it Is so.
Speaker B:And they also remind us that Lucifer can't get back in the cage while he's in a vessel, which was something from, I think, last season, but so something that we, like, have to remember for the planning of taking care of Lucifer.
Speaker B:So we get that.
Speaker B:And then we go back to Torture Farm.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam is very bloody and unconscious.
Speaker A:When Dean and Mary are pull up to the Torture Farm and Castiel's there, and there's very much a lot of cloaked warding, I guess.
Speaker A:So Dean's like, I'm gonna go investigate.
Speaker A:Mary, you stay here and keep Cass comfy company or whatever.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:This is a bad plan, but sure.
Speaker A:In the meantime, Vince's bandmate shows up at his apartment, his hotel, and is like, hey, time for rehearsal.
Speaker A:And Vince is like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker A:I'm not rehearsing shit.
Speaker A:And his bandmate's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker A:We're Buzz, it's time for rehearsal.
Speaker B:We're friends.
Speaker A:And touches his arm.
Speaker A:And Vince's eyes go red and he throws his bandmate through this door and down the hallway.
Speaker B:Also, it's noon and he's drinking hard liquor.
Speaker B:So either of these things, like, probably are not going.
Speaker B:Your rehearsal is kind of.
Speaker B:Now so that we go from that to farm, where Dean is going to look around with his gun out.
Speaker B:He finds a.
Speaker B:A lock cellar door.
Speaker B:But then he's standing on a trap sigil.
Speaker A:Of course he is.
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker A:There's a bunch of cloak warning on this place.
Speaker A:You think there's not gonna be traps, sir?
Speaker A:Just saying.
Speaker A:Oh, so obvious.
Speaker A:Oh, well.
Speaker A:So Tony escorts Dean into the cellar with Sam, where she's got Dean chained up.
Speaker A:And she's like, I'm gonna torture him to make you talk now, Sam.
Speaker A:Because as we all know, this works.
Speaker B:Yeah, it seems it's effective.
Speaker B:Is it effective?
Speaker B:Winchester technique?
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And we go from there to Hell's throne room, where Vince has come in to tell Crowley to get off his throne.
Speaker A:He's going to call Crowley a squatter.
Speaker A:And yeah, Crowley is like, well, that may be, but at the end of the day, Lucifer, you really want this?
Speaker A:You know, let's make a deal.
Speaker A:Like, you don't want these motley demons.
Speaker A:You could.
Speaker A:I see what you did there.
Speaker A:You could consider that God's on sabbatical again.
Speaker A:Heaven's open for the taking.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe Lucifer's like, yeah, or he could just, you know, smite you.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:And so Rowena rolls in, chanting.
Speaker A:And so now Lucifer can't smite Crowley.
Speaker A:Good Lord, this is a lot.
Speaker A:And then mom, because she's doing Mommy's Little Paralyzing Spell, which I appreciate that title of it.
Speaker B:Is that a Social Distortion song?
Speaker B:It should be Mommy's Little Paralyzing Spell.
Speaker B:And so we get that.
Speaker B:And then Crowley has his balls and he can.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker A:He's clinking his weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, I mean, I guess I don't know what you keep holding your sulfuric acid in because it's not holy water.
Speaker B:It's sulfuric acid.
Speaker B:And that is not harmless to your vessel, as we are about to see in some amazing makeup effects that are coming through.
Speaker B:But we go back and we get a moment between that.
Speaker B:We go to the torture farm where Tony's got the brass knuckles on and punches Dean.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's looks like a really painful punch, too.
Speaker B:Yeah, these are fancy knuckles.
Speaker A:And yeah, it's.
Speaker A:I like that.
Speaker A:He's like, come for.
Speaker A:Come for some tea in a beating.
Speaker A:And then she asks about fucking Benny.
Speaker B:Is none of your business.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:Who the do you think you are?
Speaker B:None of your goddamn business.
Speaker A:So I was not happy about this.
Speaker A:So rude.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then we finally.
Speaker B:We got to the holes that are being burned in his face.
Speaker B:And it's pretty amazing.
Speaker B:Amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They do a really nice job of makeup here.
Speaker A:And it also looks incredibly painful.
Speaker A:And our actor of Vince.
Speaker A:We'll get to it.
Speaker A:Our guest does a lovely job doing acting.
Speaker A:Very uncomfortable because that would hurt a lot.
Speaker A:Getting your face burned off with sulfuric acid.
Speaker A:With glass balls of sulfuric acid being shattered on your face.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Sounds unpleasant.
Speaker A:Not into it.
Speaker A:Yeah, not into it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:His face is fucked up.
Speaker A:And Rowena is using this opportunity while he's weakened and injured to try to, I guess, get him out of the vessel.
Speaker A:So they're trying to damage the vessel to get Lucifer out of it so they can send him back to the cage.
Speaker A:That's the strategy.
Speaker A:It's not working.
Speaker B:No, because Lucifer's too strong.
Speaker B:He's got his big ass angel wings.
Speaker A:He does.
Speaker A:He flexes those wings and heals his own face.
Speaker A:And then Crowley poofs the out and leaves Rowena there.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:But look how good our bangs are.
Speaker A:And she always looks good.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:So back in the cellar, Sam tells Dean that he thought Dean was dead.
Speaker A:And then Dean asks who.
Speaker A:Who's Angry Spice, which I was very amused by.
Speaker A:But Sam.
Speaker A:This is where Sam shares.
Speaker A:This is the British Men of Letters.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And Dean is confused, as we all have been, that they should all be on the same team then.
Speaker B:That's a thing.
Speaker B:Right, so let's talk more about the lore behind the British Men of Letters or things that are adjacent to.
Speaker B:So we're going to part two of Lore.
Speaker B:If you haven't listened to last, go listen to last week's episode, but you can catch up here.
Speaker B:We're going to talk about Anna Kingsford, so affectionately known as Anna, our favorite vegetarian, Victorian vegetarian.
Speaker B:And that is also title of my next sex tape, Victorian Vegetarian.
Speaker B: So we are now in the: Speaker B:Anna has graduated from medical school, Go girl.
Speaker B:But primarily conducts lecture tours on vegetarianism and vivisection, perhaps because it was difficult to practice medicine without a license at that time.
Speaker B:As it is now, Anna's illuminations about esoteric philosophy have continued.
Speaker B:Let me give you a line or two.
Speaker B:The man who seeks to be a hierophant must not dwell in cities.
Speaker B:He may begin his initiation in a city, but he cannot complete it there, for he must not breathe the dead and burnt air.
Speaker B:In a city.
Speaker B:You respire air upon which the flame is passed.
Speaker B:You breathe fire and it consumes your blood.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I, in essence that's saying that if you want to be a priest, that you shouldn't be in a city because the city is full of pollution.
Speaker B:You should go to the country if you want to be a good magician.
Speaker B:So she and her.
Speaker B:Her stalker Maitland have started meeting with spiritualists and theosophists to discuss their philosophy.
Speaker B:Quick reminder, spiritualists believe in ghosts and communicating with the other side.
Speaker B:Theosophists seek to learn ancient wisdom from ancient mast sisters, mainly through the Russian chain smoking Madame Blavatsky, who presented a mixture of Western Hermeticism, Buddhism and Hinduism.
Speaker B:So Anna and Maitland have also started hanging out in the reading room at the British Museum during the day because they don't have jobs and I totally do that.
Speaker B:That seems like a good way to pass your time.
Speaker B:You're just going to hang out in the reading room of the.
Speaker B:Of the museum.
Speaker B:They also join the International association for the Total Suppression of Vivisection, but they either leave or are expelled because they are annoying.
Speaker B: of lectures for the summer of: Speaker B:She was also doing this on the side.
Speaker B:The vision she received were helping to guide her and Maitland into establishing a system that would help bridge the gap between science and religion.
Speaker B:And they make a system that covers a lot of bases.
Speaker B:It covers dualism, pantheism, gnosticism, hermeticism and evolutionism.
Speaker B:Just kind of a lot of isms, all of them.
Speaker B:It's just a lot of things.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Interesting that you can have dualism and pantheism, but whatever floats your boat.
Speaker B:Anna.
Speaker B:So the Perfect Way lectures were held for a select audience in Anna's house.
Speaker B:So Anna has a bunch of lectures in her house and attendees included the president of the British Theosophical Society and others who, according to Maitland, were more than the average intelligence and culture of the kind required for the appreciation of our results.
Speaker B:So they had to have a certain type of person there to appreciate what they were laying down, because it was some.
Speaker B:Some hard stuff they're putting in.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:In the summer.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:Today is one sorrowful memory to me, the first anniversary of the death of my dear little friend Rufus.
Speaker B:So we go back to her guinea pig friend Rufus.
Speaker B:He has been one year since he died, and so she said, really did celebrate his death every year.
Speaker B: irst published anonymously in: Speaker B:They wanted to ensure the book was judged on its own merits rather than the author's reputations.
Speaker B:But since Anna and Maitland had just been lecturing and all this stuff, everyone's like, kind of know who wrote it because you were just talking about this.
Speaker B:But cool took.
Speaker B:Of the nine lectures, Anna wrote two, with Maitland writing the rest based on her illuminations.
Speaker B:And the book includes the concept that humans are beings, have a fourfold nature.
Speaker B:We've got the material body, the fluidic parasol or the astral body, the soul or individual, and the spirit or divine father.
Speaker B:So there's kind of like multiple aspects of a being, and it's an individualistic based philosophy in which the goal of existence is that divine marriage between soul and spirit, which occurs in the individual, constitutes its purple final perfection, or nirvana.
Speaker B:So really that it's up to the individual person in order to reach their supreme state of being.
Speaker B:That you can't rely on a God to do that.
Speaker B:That even though there is like a higher power of God, like it has to come from within you in order to reach that state.
Speaker B:And they also were arguing that religion is rational and real once you find the right path to it through science, because science was really big to the Victorians.
Speaker B:And so they're trying to, like, Combine the two.
Speaker B:Which is also really funny because it's like Victorian science.
Speaker B:So not all the science is accurate.
Speaker B:It's just like kind of trying to make religion work through bad science, which is, you know, also science.
Speaker B:The book posited that every person has a genius or a damon, which is a ministering spirit attached to them.
Speaker B:Anna said hers looked like Dante was always in red with the cactus.
Speaker B:And he told her that was her emblem while.
Speaker B:And he knew her future.
Speaker B:But he wouldn't tell her.
Speaker B:He would just tell her that it was going to be hard because all these demons know like what's coming.
Speaker B:They just can't tell us.
Speaker B:So the book comes out.
Speaker B:The reviews were silent at first, then mixed.
Speaker B:She gets one kind of review that pisses her off from this Buddhist named Alfred Senate.
Speaker B:And the infamous Madame Blavatsky steps in between Anna and Senate and she calls the book remarkable.
Speaker B:She also impressed Samuel Mathers, co founder of the Order of the golden dawn and future friend of the pod.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:But everyone's like, can we meet one?
Speaker B:And she's like, but they're in Tibet, but here's our letter.
Speaker B:But can we meet one soon?
Speaker B:Like, well, you know, they're busy.
Speaker B:So some people were getting kind of antsy about that.
Speaker B:And it may be in just an effort to diversify the group, one of the, the founders, Charles Massey, nominated Anna to be president along with Maitland.
Speaker B:And they said they would do it as long as they didn't have to acknowledge anything about the republican religion being true and that they retained absolute freedom of opinion, speech and action.
Speaker B:So basically they said, we'll be president of your society, but we won't say we're going to believe what your society does.
Speaker B:Also.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:According to Maitland, the Theosophists were shocked to learn that Anna had been recognized by the mysterious chiefs of the Theosophical Society as the greatest natural mystic of the present day and countless ages in advance of the great majority of mankind, which would be pretty shocking to learn about anybody.
Speaker B:So they take, they take office as president and co vice president of the society while they're in Paris, they're not even in London.
Speaker B:They get back to England in May so they like five months with the president's not doing anything.
Speaker B:And the first thing they do there is Anna's like, we're changing the name.
Speaker B:And so he changes the name to the London Lodge of the Theosophical Society.
Speaker B:For clearly obvious reasons sense.
Speaker B:Senate returned.
Speaker B:It has something to do with like, kind of the way like Masonic lodges are named.
Speaker B:But it's still pretty ballsy to be like president of your society, presum to change your goddamn name.
Speaker B:Don't like your name.
Speaker B:So Senate, who is a member of this group, comes back from India to promote his book.
Speaker B: a at Prince's hall in July of: Speaker B:And they're speaking in front of about 270 people.
Speaker B:And Ann Friend described her as having no effective movements or mannerisms.
Speaker B:She was dressed in a long, rather trailing white silk dress with much white lace and gold chain ornaments.
Speaker B:Her hair was described in the fashion of that time, which poetically inclined authors described as an areola of gold, not so raw far.
Speaker B:And then so she just kind of goes off and saying that she looks like this goddess and she's all ethereal, right?
Speaker B:Then Madame Lavazzi comes in and she was like, why was she dressed in a dress that looked like the black and yellow coat of the zebras in the menagerie?
Speaker B:And is it true that she had roses on her hair, which is like a flaming sunset?
Speaker B:Yellow, gold.
Speaker B:And why, mercy on us, why did she have her hands and arms painted black, jet black up to the elbows?
Speaker B:Was it gloves?
Speaker B:And then is it true that she had, that night, a brilliant metal pocket in front of her with class and bells and something else?
Speaker B:And crescent moon tinkling earrings symbolic of the glowing brilliancy of the London Lodge.
Speaker B:The moon has borrowed light from the satellite.
Speaker B:But why had she, the mystic of the century, so much jewelry on her?
Speaker B:How can she confabulate with the unseen gods when she looks like a deli English jeweler's front window?
Speaker A:Oh, I love a Victoria shade.
Speaker B:Yeah, you look like a zebra shade.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Anna continues to stir things up at the London Lodge.
Speaker B:And she writes letters basically saying there's too much Eastern influence on theosophy and they should focus on esoteric Christianity.
Speaker B:And they, and they propose that they have two sections of the lodge.
Speaker B:One to study the Tibetan Tibetan master's wisdom, headed by Senate.
Speaker B:And the other one would study esoteric Christianity.
Speaker B:And that would of course be.
Speaker B:Would be led by her.
Speaker B:And everyone can freely move between the two.
Speaker B:And we're like, sure, this sounds like a Great idea.
Speaker B: sudden shows up at the April: Speaker B:And there are multiple unreliable accounts of this, but the best that I can figure is that Blavatsky arrived unannounced and she tried to make an entrance and nobody noticed she was there.
Speaker B:So then she had to, like, tell somebody, like, and, like, leave the room and then, like, come back in.
Speaker B:So then everyone could be like, oh, my God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So there may have just been additional tension between Blavatsky and Anna during this meeting.
Speaker B:Blavatsky may have trashed, tried to cast a spell on them, or she may have just stared at them really, really hard.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:Among those presents were Lady Wild and her son Oscar and William.
Speaker B:Oscar Wilde was at the.
Speaker A:Oscar Wilde.
Speaker A:Yeah, that.
Speaker A:That Oscar Wilde was wild.
Speaker B:That's wild.
Speaker B:So the Lodge stated its platform was freedom of opinion, expression and discussion, and partially conceded the comparative study of all esoteric teaching from an independent standpoint, conclusions on doctrinal matters based on reason rather than authority, and the special cultivation of personal development.
Speaker B:So basically a place for people to get together and talk philosophy about.
Speaker B:About the high strange and the weird.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, their charter was revoked by the London Lodge after it was decided you could not have multiple memberships if you belong to one of them.
Speaker B:So the Hermetic Society was now free to operate independently of the Theosophical Society.
Speaker B:So this is how we get the.
Speaker B:The founding of the Hermetic Society on its own.
Speaker B: of meetings that run through: Speaker B:Some of the topics included the Greek mysteries and the Hermetic gnosis, cabalistic pathogeny or Pythagorean, Platonic and Alexandrian.
Speaker B:So they were just studying Christian mysticism.
Speaker B:They advertised no mahatmas, no miracles.
Speaker B:So basically saying there was going to be no masters at this and they weren't going to be having any weird occult magic.
Speaker B:It was going to be all real magic, not any of that fake stuff that was happening over there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And each meeting had, like, draw.
Speaker B:Drew between 30 to 50 people, including professional actors who came not because they could understand what they heard that they frankly admitted was beyond them, but in order to listen to the president, whose gift of elocution they declared to be so perfect that to hear her speak was a lesson in their own art.
Speaker B:So they go forward, they continue having these lectures.
Speaker B:Anna continues to write books.
Speaker B: of her books was published in: Speaker B:And that was Health, Beauty and the Toilet.
Speaker B:Ladies Letters to Ladies from a Lady Doctor.
Speaker B:And we will read some of that in more Lore.
Speaker B:So look for that to come out relatively soon.
Speaker B: unfortunately, By November of: Speaker B:They travel all around trying to find good places for her consumption.
Speaker B:They were going to go to Naples, but Anna heard that they were treating animals cruelly there, so she canceled that one.
Speaker B: She gets back to London in: Speaker B:They get some doctors there.
Speaker B:On August 23, her health was declining fast and she wrote.
Speaker B:When the Feast of the Assumption came round this year, I was too ill to write even by customary prayers for little Rufus.
Speaker B:Sorry, it's all about Rufus, this whole thing.
Speaker B:But I thought of him and prayed for him in my heart.
Speaker B:I wish I knew whether I am to recover or not.
Speaker B: th of December: Speaker B:In the night or early morning of this day, Christmas night, Piggy died.
Speaker B:She had suffered a long time.
Speaker B: been Anna's guinea pig since: Speaker B:So another and guinea pig has now died.
Speaker B:The death was a small comfort to Anna because she'd not been able to find a suitable home for Piggy if she was to pass on before Piggy did it.
Speaker B:So she was kind of glad that Piggy bit the dust.
Speaker B:That's dark ish all about the guinea pigs.
Speaker B:So when Anna discard she kind of got like a brief improvement.
Speaker B:They send a doc to go for a Scottish specialist that doesn't really do anything.
Speaker B:Her Catholic friend sent a nun who, according to Maitland, is more interested in claiming Anna for the church than helping her without permission.
Speaker B:The nun called in a priest to administer the last rites to Anna, who accepted them solely for the experience of seeing what the ant lacerates were like, which I can kind of get, you know.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:One week later.
Speaker B:The Hermetic Order of the golden dawn was created.
Speaker B: c Christian Union in November: Speaker B:He became.
Speaker B:Began.
Speaker B:He began a friendship with Mahatma Gandhi.
Speaker B:And this may be why Gandhi became non violent.
Speaker B:That's a whole other thing.
Speaker B:But I just think that's a weird sidebar that this weird dude in here may be why we have Gandhi.
Speaker B:Maitland continued to publish books about his convers conversations with Anna, both those in real life and those on the astral plane, including Anna Kingsford, her Life Letters, diary and work by a collaborator with a supplement of Postmortem Communications, two volumes.
Speaker B:That book is often used as a source material for Anna's life.
Speaker B:And there were certainly some quotes from that in this.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Oh, history.
Speaker B:So things that her biography were written by a guy who talked to her while she was dead.
Speaker B:So maybe some things in her biography may not have been so true.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Anna who.
Speaker B:I mean, that's just like a.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I. I love a good Victorian suffragette.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:They're always kind of like quirky and.
Speaker B:Yeah, we get to.
Speaker B:When we get to her.
Speaker B:Her toilet book, you know, we'll get to kind of.
Speaker B:We'll go to.
Speaker B:We'll get to talk about some of the, you know, the fun rem and things that, you know, we use women use for face cream, which I always find.
Speaker B:I don't want to say hysterical, but you know, it's.
Speaker B:It is kind of amusing to know what women used to put on their.
Speaker B:Well, used to.
Speaker B:We used to put the weirdest things on our faces.
Speaker A:Have you seen the ads for snail mucin that people are buying today?
Speaker A:Hold on.
Speaker B:You know, that was around in the Renaissance, I'm sure.
Speaker A:No doubt.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was actually.
Speaker B:That was a thing in the Renaissance beauty.
Speaker A:I'm just saying it's not new doing.
Speaker A:Still doing it.
Speaker B:We're still doing it.
Speaker B:It's putting.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're going to talk about what Sperma.
Speaker B:This is spermicide.
Speaker B:Sera.
Speaker B:Spermitis.
Speaker B:We're going to talk about something with sperm in it.
Speaker B:It's not what you think though.
Speaker A:All right, so.
Speaker B:Yeah, wait for more lore, guys.
Speaker B:And that'll be out this week.
Speaker B:And you'll get to.
Speaker B:You'll get to find out about where.
Speaker B:Where.
Speaker B:Spermator.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:I'm just making that up.
Speaker B:So something.
Speaker B:You'll find out something on sperm turn you into morar.
Speaker A:Mer.
Speaker B:All right, so back in at Torture Farm, you know, so we've got Dean and Sam have caught up and fancy pants come in and it's just like, what the is wrong with you guys?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Tony's like, y' all live in the men of letters, bunker, and you don't know.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, yeah, I know, we're just a total waste.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:And she's gonna go on and monologue about her studies on parts of the body that are most susceptible to pain and going to threaten to stab Dean under the eyelid with this pointy thing that looks kind of like a knitting needle.
Speaker A:And it's very distressing.
Speaker A:I don't like it at all.
Speaker A:I don't like it.
Speaker B:But was it.
Speaker B:Was there a PowerPoint for this class?
Speaker B:Like, what was this lecture technique like?
Speaker B:Was it, you know, was it straight up slides?
Speaker B:You know, was it old fashioned slides?
Speaker B:Was there a live model?
Speaker B:What was this?
Speaker B:What was the final exam like?
Speaker B:I would just like to know about your schooling, Miss Fancy Pants.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Well, this is all going on.
Speaker A:This is going on.
Speaker A:Mary has entered the cellar and she's got a pistol pointed at Tony and says, get away from my boys.
Speaker A:And Sam has not been updated yet that mom is back.
Speaker A:So this is very confusing and distressing to him.
Speaker A:Rightfully so, though.
Speaker B:This is especially after coming out of a hallucination.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And like hallucinations, like, I thought Dean was dead.
Speaker B:I thought my mom was dead.
Speaker B:Now nobody's dead.
Speaker B:This is probably like this is Bobby coming out soon.
Speaker B:Like what's happening here?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So he doesn't really know what's going on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Tony doesn't get on the ground fast enough for Mary's liking.
Speaker A:So she gets hit, hit really good in the head, but not enough.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And so she recovers real fast.
Speaker A:And there's a fight in the meantime, Dean has managed to unlock himself as this fight happens.
Speaker A:And Dean gets a pistol and shoots the ceiling and gets everybody to calm the down.
Speaker A:But Tony's doing some magic and brain magic, choking out Mary.
Speaker A:I don't know what's happening.
Speaker A:I'm very confused at this moment.
Speaker B:In the episode we learned that it is and that we learned that fucking Dean knows that it is a Chinese mind control technique, that he somehow figured that out.
Speaker B:But it's basically saying that the British Men of Letters may have actually read what was in their files.
Speaker B:They didn't just lock people up in the file cabinet room.
Speaker B:They actually read what was in there.
Speaker B:And then like learned things from them, like how to do mind control.
Speaker B:But Dean.
Speaker B:But Dean's like, I did read a book.
Speaker B:That's how I know.
Speaker B:Know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's basically like.
Speaker A:But he knows that if he kills Tony while she's doing this, then Mary dies too.
Speaker A:So he has to give up the gun to Tony to save Mary.
Speaker A:And it's a whole thing, but whatever.
Speaker A:While this is all going down, he hands over the gun.
Speaker A:So Mary's surviving.
Speaker A:He's about to unlock Sam, and then this British dude shows up.
Speaker A:The guy that called Tony earlier.
Speaker B:Another British dude.
Speaker A:And he's got Cass, and he does have cast with him.
Speaker A:And he's like, anyway.
Speaker A:And yeah, they were apparently.
Speaker A:He's like, oh, yeah, we were just investigating the continuance of the Men of Letters.
Speaker A:And he's like, half ass apologizing for Tony going too far and that they.
Speaker A:They would, you know, have consequences for her.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, yeah, she should face consequences here right now.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:And his name is Mick.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, except that's not what's gonna happen.
Speaker A:This is my olive branch right now.
Speaker A:And Sam does not trust this because he's been getting tortured by Tony and Ms. Watt for days, which is fair.
Speaker A:And Mick's like, no, no, it's.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:I'm not armed.
Speaker A:I took down all the wards.
Speaker A:I brought in Cassie.
Speaker A:I'm fine.
Speaker B:It's okay, guys.
Speaker A:Here's my business card.
Speaker A:You can call me or not.
Speaker A:It's okay.
Speaker A:And they're all just going to go their separate ways.
Speaker A:This is super weird, right?
Speaker A:All right, so we go back to the bunker because they're hungry after all this, right?
Speaker A:I mean, tort clearly.
Speaker A:Torture, mayhem.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:So buckets of fried chicken.
Speaker A:And we learn that Mary's meatloaf was a lie.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:It was all a lie.
Speaker B:The pie was a lie.
Speaker B:No, the pie was not a lie.
Speaker B:The pie was real.
Speaker A:But Mary doesn't cook at all.
Speaker A:That's what we learned, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, but she does remember Dean's love of pie, which is good.
Speaker A:And he still loves pie, as we all know.
Speaker A:And he immediately begins devouring the pie that she puts out.
Speaker A:Oh, that sounds really dirty and weird.
Speaker A:I don't like that I said that at all.
Speaker B:That's his mom, Diana.
Speaker A:Leave it like that.
Speaker A:Rose.
Speaker A:It was a really rose like that at all.
Speaker A:I was just talking about the BlackBerry pie she served.
Speaker B:Fine.
Speaker B:Now, like, I have Dean hogs down on the pie.
Speaker B:Now I feel dirty.
Speaker B:That's not how I meant it.
Speaker B:All right, well, okay, so Sam is.
Speaker B:While.
Speaker B:While Dean is just eating his pie, Sam is looking like a lost puppy and a little shell struck because he don't know, like, what to make of his dead mother.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Being in front of him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she calls him out.
Speaker A:She's like, you're looking at me like I'm about to explode.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then they all discuss that they agree that they do not trust the British Men of Letters, which is fair.
Speaker B:Just don't trust the British.
Speaker B:I mean, it's fair.
Speaker B:I mean, lessons learned, right?
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And so they're all just like, okay, this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker B:And Mary's like, let's call the Internet.
Speaker B:And unfortunately, she has to learn that.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, technically, I guess you could, but you could.
Speaker A:You could.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:So we go to the.
Speaker A:To Vince on his throne.
Speaker A:Vince, AKA Lucife.
Speaker A:Lucifence.
Speaker A:Is that.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's Lucifer in Vince on the throne, and he is being gross with Rowena.
Speaker A:I don't like it.
Speaker A:You didn't like it.
Speaker A:I know, but.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, he just wants to keep her prisoner, and we're not down for that.
Speaker B:We don't like Rowena being submissive to anybody.
Speaker A:No, she's.
Speaker A:She fantasizes about being far, far away, sipping martinis with Republicans at a tennis club in.
Speaker A:In Boca.
Speaker A:Like, she's supposed to go with Ben, but instead she is being creepily caressed and held by bits.
Speaker B:Look, Rowena, you'd have to listen to the sound of pickleball smacking everywhere.
Speaker B:So I think you're just kind of better off where you are right now.
Speaker A:That's balls.
Speaker B:So we get go.
Speaker B:We go from the throne room to.
Speaker A:Hey, man.
Speaker B:There's all sorts of, like, different.
Speaker B:Like, cities and things that are, like, putting in noise ordinances from how loud pickleball courts are.
Speaker B:So I'm just saying.
Speaker B:All right, so we go from the throne room back to the bunker where nice little Sam is bringing Mary some.
Speaker B:Some.
Speaker B:What we assume is tea, because.
Speaker B:Yeah, so she drinks tea.
Speaker B:She's like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they have a moment, which they deserve to have a moment because Sam's hasn't really had moments with his mother.
Speaker A:This is kind of a big deal.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:And she's having a moment about it, reasonably so.
Speaker A:About how she's missed out on all the mom stuff.
Speaker A:Not only her first tooth, his first crush.
Speaker B:This woman who died by his pain.
Speaker A:You know, important mom moments.
Speaker B:You know, just the things that happened in Sam's life.
Speaker B:All the times that he exchanged blood with demons.
Speaker B:You know, just all the first times.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's important.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But Sam has come not just bearing tea, but also bearing John's journal because he wants to share it with her, as he says that it has filled in a lot of blanks for him and helps keep John there with them.
Speaker A:And then she's like, well, this is my chance to ask about you leaving hunting.
Speaker A:Because, remember, she didn't want anyone to be any of them, to be hunters.
Speaker A:She didn't want to be a hunter.
Speaker A:She didn't want John to be a hunter.
Speaker A:She didn't want her kids to be hunters.
Speaker A:And she found out earlier that Sam left hunting, and so now she's like, wait a minute.
Speaker A:You left hunting?
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:And he's like, well, we're a family.
Speaker A:That's our family thing.
Speaker A:It's what we do.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:But he also shares that, for him, having her there fills the biggest blank.
Speaker A:And they hug and they cry.
Speaker A:It's very sweet.
Speaker B:Yes, it's very.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:It's a little sad.
Speaker B:It's a little.
Speaker B:What's the word Looking for?
Speaker B:It's not sacrilege.
Speaker B:I mean, because it is.
Speaker B:It's kind of sacrilege.
Speaker B:It's the word where it's just too sucrosy.
Speaker A:I mean, it's just sappy.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's just too.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's a little too sugary for my little.
Speaker A:Hallmarky for you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But, I mean, because I feel like there's more for them to talk about.
Speaker B:I feel like they're all just very surface.
Speaker B:I feel like they're all just.
Speaker B:Just, like.
Speaker B:They're just ignoring the fact that she's back from the dead.
Speaker B:I mean, I would for the next.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, if I came back from the dead for, like, a week straight, that's all we would talk about for, like, every 20.
Speaker B:Like, every second.
Speaker B:So I'm back from the dead.
Speaker B:What is that?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:What are the implications?
Speaker B:What happened in between what happened?
Speaker B:Like, so we're all, okay, I'm back from the dead, like, and they're just like, no, cool.
Speaker B:Yeah, no questions.
Speaker A:No questions.
Speaker A:No questions.
Speaker B:We're all just fine with this.
Speaker B:All right, cool.
Speaker A:Like, also has it.
Speaker A:No, but Sam hasn't even asked, like, how, like.
Speaker A:Like how this came about, like, from Amara.
Speaker A:I mean, are we just assuming that.
Speaker B:Conversation happened, that was in the car, that.
Speaker B:That happened in the car?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they were just like, we don't need to feel.
Speaker B:Everyone doesn't need to get here because, like, I came back from this thing.
Speaker B:This is what happened.
Speaker B:I was in the nightgown.
Speaker B:You know, we only need to hear that, like, a couple of times.
Speaker A:So Lost Angel By Heart starts playing.
Speaker A:Of course and so we see Dean drinking a beer and looking at family photos.
Speaker A:We've got Mary looking at the journal and looking at photos of John in the military.
Speaker B:Yeah, and photos that don't exist because they're from a reality that Zachariah created.
Speaker B:And somehow Dean has these pictures.
Speaker B:So it's just weird that.
Speaker B:That those pictures are in Sean's journal.
Speaker B:And don't like.
Speaker B:Again, don't say these things didn't matter.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Anyways, and then.
Speaker A:And Sam looks at the ceiling fan.
Speaker A:I was like, this is a weird contrast, but.
Speaker B:Well, there is like another Sam episode where he looks at the ceiling fan.
Speaker B:And like season seven or season five, I don't remember.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:There's another infamous Sam staring at a ceiling fan.
Speaker B:So he likes ceiling fan fans.
Speaker B:That shot.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I mean, at least they ended it with his shirt on.
Speaker A:Well, we cut to Mick and Tony driving, being driven to the airport.
Speaker A:And he is explaining that her mission was to identify American hunters and gain their trust.
Speaker A:And that honey, not vinegar is sometimes the better path to do that.
Speaker A:But she's like, well, I thought the end goal anyways was to end the supernatural threat, so what the.
Speaker A:Does it matter?
Speaker A:Because really, the Winchesters are no better than the monsters that they fail to control.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So this is like a whole thing on their agenda, like, which we all, you know, we kind of like figure that out along the way.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:But, you know, the heads they were dropping and stuff, but.
Speaker B:But yeah, they really.
Speaker B:They are there to clean up America's mess because America's full of monsters and they think that the hunters suck.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, but why, like, why do you care if you've got your under control and unlock and you don't have to worry about it?
Speaker A:Like, why the are you fucking with our shit anyways?
Speaker B:Some people can't mind their own goddamn business.
Speaker A:So anyways, and we find out that there is Mr. Catch has been called.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And we see that.
Speaker A:So Mick has called him Mr. Catch, which I guess is the, I don't know, hitman for the hunters.
Speaker A:And we see them packing a lot of guns in a suitcase in London because they clearly don't fly commercial.
Speaker B:I'm pretty sure, like, Heathrow would have a fit if he just like, walked through with a bunch of guns.
Speaker B:They seem like an airport that would be quite upset.
Speaker B:So I. I'm guessing he also has diplomatic immunity or whatever the hell the other one has.
Speaker B:So that's how we end that.
Speaker B:And before we get to.
Speaker B:To final thoughts, you know, I think there's some cast people we want to talk about.
Speaker A:So Vince Vincente, AKA Lucifer, is played by the one and only Rick Springfield.
Speaker A:Yes, a known actor, but also a rock and roller.
Speaker A:So as an actor, he has been in episodes of the Six Million Dollar Man, Wonder Woman, Incredible Hulk, chips, suddenly Susan, California cation multiple times.
Speaker A:Hawaii 5o, true detective for a few episodes, American Horror Story, the Goldbergs.
Speaker A:He's done voice work on Johnny Bravo and Family Guy.
Speaker A:He was Mick in high tide over 72 times and played Dr. Noah Drake, like Slash Eli on General hospital for almost 200 episodes.
Speaker A:So pretty well known for that.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Tommy, his band mate has been in several episodes of Supernatural, different roles played by Woody Jeffries.
Speaker A: He's been episodes of the: Speaker A:He was a watch stander in Double Jeopardy and Brian in the movie Valentine.
Speaker A:Mick Davies is played by Adam Fergus.
Speaker A:We will obviously see him again.
Speaker A:He's been episodes of Scandal and a newer, a reproduction of Roots.
Speaker A:He was James in Call of the Wild.
Speaker A:Ben, that's Rowena's date, was played by Lachlan Monroe, who has quite the credits as well.
Speaker A:I say that because I've been in stuff I like lately.
Speaker A:So episodes of 21, Jump Street, Blossom, Jag, Charmed multiple times, CSI, all the versions, Monk, Dead Like Me, NCIS, Smallville, Mentalist, Hawaii 5, 0, Arrow, Bones, Lucifer, Magicians, Good Doctor, Reacher, Fire Country.
Speaker A: vies series, Eddie in Dracula: Speaker A:Our Jen, that was Vince's girlfriend was played by Emma Johnson.
Speaker A:She's been in episodes of Magicians and School Spirits recently.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So you know, we're just starting in season 12.
Speaker B:So I.
Speaker B:What are your.
Speaker B:What are your thoughts of this, this episode?
Speaker A:That's interesting.
Speaker A:Setting up.
Speaker A:Up for the.
Speaker A:The bad guys out the gate to be people that you think should be allies.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So obviously you're set up to hate the British amount of letters, clearly.
Speaker A:But there should be friends or at least kind of friends, if not close like, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like at least kind of sort of buddies.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:And it makes me.
Speaker A:I'm intrigued to see how we will handle monster stories this season.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:How about that?
Speaker B:Oh, I mean, just don't trust secret societies.
Speaker A:Is that the.
Speaker A:Is that the lesson?
Speaker A:Typically secret societies and cults, same thing kind of thing.
Speaker B:It's kinda.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's a society that's been secret for a really long time and they're doing underground things and like killing monsters and not.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker B:I wouldn't trust them, but that's just me.
Speaker A:Fair enough.
Speaker A:Know.
Speaker B:So we'll be, we'll be learning more about them and about, you know, the lore of a season.
Speaker B:We're going to be talking a lot about kind of their, their real life counterparts and why you just shouldn't.
Speaker B:Maybe it's why the British are weird.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But anyhow, okay.
Speaker B:I think that's the British are weird is a good note to end this.
Speaker B:To end this on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Cheers.
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