12:17 British Invasion
It is Season 12, Episode 17, "British Invasion," and boy, did Dr. Hess, aka Delores Umbridge wannabe, invade. So much happens that we think this episode should be called WTF. Liz continues the lore of the Golden Dawn, with the story about the time the infamous conwoman Ann Dis de Bar appeared as Fraulein Anna Sprengel.
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Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, somehow we combine Harry Potter, Star Trek, and Oliver.
Speaker B:Wtf?
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:And I'm Liz.
Speaker A:And we're going to talk about season 12, episode 17, the British Invasion.
Speaker A:Yeah, baby.
Speaker B:Yeah, Shaggy.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I'm trying to think of other words.
Speaker B:That's what the.
Speaker B:The British Invasion is.
Speaker B:So, I mean, not necessarily just Austin Powers, but all the.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:The Rolling Stones and the Beatles coming over here with their filthy rock and roll.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Dirty.
Speaker A:So dirty.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker B:Yeah, actually they were.
Speaker B:They really, probably really need a shower.
Speaker B:I bet you the Beatles smelled.
Speaker B:I bet for a long time the Beatles smelled like.
Speaker B:I mean, that's just.
Speaker B:I'm throwing that out there.
Speaker B:That's just.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A:That's your new theory?
Speaker B:That's my new theory.
Speaker B:Prove me wrong.
Speaker B:Prove me wrong.
Speaker B:Mr. McCartney, come on here and let me.
Speaker B:I'm sure you smell fine now.
Speaker B:I'm sure he smells like an amazing vegan.
Speaker A:Like, expensive.
Speaker B:Like expensive.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like after, like, the 20,000 hands that massage his.
Speaker B:Like the soap that's made out of things from his backyard that he made.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:For sure.
Speaker B:I'm sure he smells delightful now.
Speaker B:But back then.
Speaker B:Back then, Liverpool band mates touring around.
Speaker B:I just don't.
Speaker B:I don't fancy that.
Speaker A:No, probably not.
Speaker A:Probably not.
Speaker A:On that note, what have you been up to?
Speaker B:Well, I was playing tour guide in my town to a guest I had from Dallas.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:We finally got to hang out together, and we went.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker B:I took Diana through my small, humble town that's pretty.
Speaker B:Of Bernie, Texas, which is very much a hill country town.
Speaker B:And I was talking to.
Speaker B:I don't remember who I was saying this to that.
Speaker B:Oh, I was saying it to my new pet sitter, who maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe we'll get her to listen to the podcast.
Speaker B:So she seems.
Speaker B:She walked in, she was like, oh, supernatural.
Speaker B:And I was like, I have a podcast.
Speaker B:And she was like, look at my charm tattoo.
Speaker B:I'm like, you're one of us.
Speaker B:I know, but I was telling her, because she's lived here, she grew up in this town.
Speaker B:Like, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:I forget how small.
Speaker B:Small of a town this is until I.
Speaker B:And I was.
Speaker B:When I met her, my.
Speaker B:I was wearing a hoodie, so I was covered, but it was so she didn't know.
Speaker B:She couldn't see my tattoos.
Speaker B:But I was like, I forget how small of a town it is until I walk around with someone else who was tattooed with me and get.
Speaker B:Gauge those reactions from the other people and go, oh, yeah, this is a town where that is still unusual to see.
Speaker B:And because it's.
Speaker B:Most places, it's no big deal now at all anymore.
Speaker B:But occasionally you go into a small town and like, where it's just that.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's not this is.
Speaker B:It just things haven't changed as much as they have other places.
Speaker A:And to be fair, I'm heavily tattooed.
Speaker A:And then that paired with another tattooed person that people usually have a little bit.
Speaker A:There is more of a potential for reaction even in the city sometimes.
Speaker B:But, yeah, fair.
Speaker B:Once you put.
Speaker B:Once you put us together, then, like, we just kind of amplify it.
Speaker A:Yeah, it amplifies.
Speaker A:It's exponential.
Speaker B:And it's not like the.
Speaker B:The two of us walking around don't look strange enough as it is.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was fun.
Speaker A:We got to.
Speaker A:And I'm obsessed with Betty at the Silver Queen, so that's my new thing.
Speaker B:The Silver Queen is not going to listen to our podcast.
Speaker B:No podcast is.
Speaker B:But she will.
Speaker B:She will.
Speaker A:She's a doll.
Speaker A:And she has a lovely collection.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker B:I love the collection of things that I was like, this story maybe she was telling us about.
Speaker B:What was it?
Speaker B:What was the stone?
Speaker B:Lara.
Speaker B:Laramite.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I don't know if that was fully accurate.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know the story she was telling.
Speaker B:It was like, this seems like it's going into a problematic story of, like, maybe we stop now.
Speaker B:I don't want to know where you got the stone and why you can't get any more of it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And what happens to people who have it unless it's cursed.
Speaker A:She was talking about how it made people wet better.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Had health benefits.
Speaker B:It did have health benefits, but also, you know, once you take something from.
Speaker A:The earth and, like, there's no more.
Speaker B:Getting no more of it.
Speaker B:Like, oh, that's.
Speaker B:That's not good.
Speaker A:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:But she was still fun and she bought it.
Speaker B:What was really funny, I think, was a way to tell this story.
Speaker B:So Diana and I went to another store that was having a closeout sale.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Moving sale.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:And they had bargains.
Speaker B:And it was just buying.
Speaker B:Let's buy some crap for a dollar.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Diana found this really great disco ball that spun around.
Speaker B:It was only five bucks.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Silver Betty bought it off of her for $10 because she could not.
Speaker A:Find the time to walk across the street to get it for herself.
Speaker B:And Diana score Made five bucks, I think, you know, like the day was a win.
Speaker A:I mean, I was happy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But it was, it was a very.
Speaker A:It was a fun adventure.
Speaker A:It was so pretty there.
Speaker A:It was a pretty day.
Speaker A:And we both got really good bunnies.
Speaker B:We did.
Speaker B:We got very fly.
Speaker A:We got some fun Easter decorations, Easter, spring decor, Spring, Ohstera, springtime, whatever.
Speaker B:Whatever things for, you know.
Speaker B:It was like, I was like, I don't need more fertility, I guess.
Speaker B:Fertility of ideas, fertility of.
Speaker B:Of stuff is good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, but I found like a bunny that I've seen on.
Speaker B:I feel like I got a bargain bunny.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they were.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We went to.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't talk about.
Speaker B:We went to a store that was like going back in time and they, they over wrapped.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They put everything in a bag with like 40 pounds of tissue paper.
Speaker B:And I really appreciate it.
Speaker B:But then I'm home with like, what the do I do with 40 pounds of tissue?
Speaker B:It all went in the recycling bin at least.
Speaker B:So like.
Speaker B:So here we go.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:So beyond touring small hill country towns, what have you been up to?
Speaker A:I've been busy.
Speaker A:I also toured Arizona, so I went with.
Speaker A:Did a family trip to the Grand Canyon.
Speaker A:Well, Sedona, where I learned about the vortexes and the.
Speaker A:And I got a vortex candle and then I went to the Grand.
Speaker B:Did you go in a vortex?
Speaker A:I did not.
Speaker A:Apparently the vortex thing is more about like a spiritual moment.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:It was not what I anticipated.
Speaker B:But you have to make your own vortex.
Speaker A:I don't think you make it.
Speaker A:I think you experience it was what I was getting.
Speaker B:That sounds like a bunch of to me.
Speaker A:So I'm.
Speaker A:I'm not saying it is or is.
Speaker B:It, but I was like, if I burnt.
Speaker B:You brought me a candle.
Speaker B:If I burn that, there better be a vortex that opens up here.
Speaker A:Well, we had a Kong dog toy go missing in our house.
Speaker A:And we are very hopeful that when we light the vortex candle that the Kong will reappear.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's just gonna pop out of the ceiling.
Speaker B:But that is how that works, right?
Speaker A:That's a hope.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I saw the Grand Canyon and yes, I can make all the jokes about how grand it was, but it was definitely a.
Speaker A:A very impactful, full experience.
Speaker A:And then went to.
Speaker A:Drove up through.
Speaker A:Through a bunch of like really pretty desert scape, I guess to Page, where I saw all the sites of.
Speaker A:In Page Arizona, including the Horseshoe Bend.
Speaker A:And we walked through Antelope Canyon, which is a slot.
Speaker B:Did you see any antelopes?
Speaker A:Did not.
Speaker A:You don't see them there really now, apparently because of the dam.
Speaker B:Lame.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:And there's a pretty lake.
Speaker A:And then we went to a nice.
Speaker A:Had a very lovely dinner in Phoenix and came home.
Speaker A:But it was a lot of driving and a lot of ground covered and a lot of cool stuff seen and tiring trip.
Speaker B:You have vacations like that is like very sightsee'd.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:It was not a relaxing vacation.
Speaker A:It was cool.
Speaker A:I saw a lot of stuff, but I wouldn't call it like vacay.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah, then before I got to come see you, I spent a day at Luck reunion and saw a bunch of music and so, yeah, that's.
Speaker A:And then I got to hang out with you.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:So speaking of vacations, I am working towards, fingers crossed, taking one.
Speaker B:And I will believe that the vacation happens when I.
Speaker B:When I see.
Speaker B:When I touch sand.
Speaker B:When I touch sand, I'll believe that I'm on vacation.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we have decided what we're going to do is we're going to skip a regular episode next week, but we will drop a more lore so that'll.
Speaker B:We'll get a bonus episode will come out next week.
Speaker B:It just won't be episode 18, which would be our normal slot.
Speaker B:And I think.
Speaker B:I think everyone can manage.
Speaker B:And you'll.
Speaker B:You will enjoy it after you hear tonight's episode, I think you will be hungry for more lore.
Speaker B:And so you.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:I think that will be good.
Speaker B:So on that note, there is a. I guess we could.
Speaker B:Do you want to do the sad news?
Speaker A:Do the sad news first.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's one other small update that.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker B:Okay, well, you can go.
Speaker B:You can say the sad news.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Carrie Ann Fleming has passed away.
Speaker A:She did have cancer.
Speaker A:And Jim Beaver, who played her, well, she was his wife on the show, was the one that one of the people to announce that news.
Speaker A:So that came out.
Speaker A:So best wishes to her family and our condolences and well, to the.
Speaker A:To her family.
Speaker A:Both act, you know, biological and espn.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She was, it was.
Speaker B:She was a joy to watch on the show.
Speaker B:She was a really.
Speaker B:She made a good zombie.
Speaker B:Is that a thing?
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:And see, there was you.
Speaker B:There's something else.
Speaker A:They've announced that Vault Rising has wrapped filming.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:So I'm like, I'll believe it when I see it.
Speaker B:When Vought rises on my tv.
Speaker B:It's just like when I, When I see sand, when I.
Speaker B:You Know, I. I didn't have to touch the sand, but when I see Vault Rising.
Speaker B:Yeah, I understand there are a lot of issues and a lot of things.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, so let's talk about this episode, British invasion.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:And so we got a lot of 17s happening.
Speaker B:And it was directed by John F. Showalter, who this season we last saw direct American Nightmare.
Speaker B:And last season he did Our Little World, which was episode episode 6.
Speaker B:This was written by the partner pair of Eugenie Ross Lemming and Brad Buckner.
Speaker B:And this season they already did episode two, Mamma Mia.
Speaker B:Episode eight, Lotus, and episode 13, Family Feud.
Speaker B:So they've been around for this season.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And if you can see it in this, what the episode.
Speaker B:So we start off with our recap.
Speaker B:And our recap is pretty simple.
Speaker B:This time we got Lucifer's vessel, Dagon and Kelly.
Speaker B:Eileen.
Speaker B:Come on, Eileen.
Speaker B:So that's the only time I'll make that joke.
Speaker B:Mick going to Hogwarts, the Douchebusters and Mick getting a second chance.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And then we're going to go.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker B:So we're going to Hogwarts.
Speaker B: utside of London, England, in: Speaker B:But I also have some notes from the Wiki that says the Latin inscription for Kendrick's Academy seal reads, vis, which Unita 4 to your, which roughly translates to united, strength is stronger.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And the coat of arms includes an Aquarian star, a rampant lion, and two cross keys.
Speaker B:And those cross keys represent the keys of heaven, which is interesting, but that is where we're starting.
Speaker B:We're starting with two boys who also look like they're going to Hogwarts.
Speaker A:They do.
Speaker A:The robes definitely seal that.
Speaker A:And they're talking about one of them's going home for Christmas and the other one clearly doesn't have anywhere to go home for Christmas, so feels very Harry Potter again.
Speaker A:But either way, the headmistress who feels very Dolores Umbridge.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Mistress Hess or Dr. Hess.
Speaker A:Dr. Hess.
Speaker A:Excuse me, Head Mistress is what I. Yeah.
Speaker A:So the Dr. Hess calls them to her office and she's got a cool skull.
Speaker A:And then we realize that she's got, like, Dexter plastic on the floor.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What is happening?
Speaker B:These are children.
Speaker B:What is happening?
Speaker B:So we find out that Timothy and Michael are being tested for their next level of training.
Speaker B:And they need people who Will follow orders without question.
Speaker B:And then tells them that only one of you will be leaving this room.
Speaker B:And on the table is a dagger.
Speaker B:What the fuck?
Speaker A:It's so what the.
Speaker A:It's so what the.
Speaker A:Like, I. I could not have like.
Speaker A:I don't even know how to like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she goes out in the hall and then one of them comes out.
Speaker B:And then we're all like.
Speaker B:You're with.
Speaker B:We're watching this.
Speaker B:And we're like, okay, so Michael, this must be Nick.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we're like.
Speaker A:Because she calls him Mr. Davies.
Speaker A:So now we know it is.
Speaker B:And he's covered in like blood.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And we're just like, did you just kill that kid?
Speaker A:Your friend.
Speaker A:He just killed your friend.
Speaker A:Your little boyfriend.
Speaker B:And this is what the bit of letters are.
Speaker B:Are making them do.
Speaker B:Like, what the is wrong with these people?
Speaker A:It's so wild.
Speaker A:And he's like.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Oh, he also even says that he fought well.
Speaker A:He wanted to live.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:It's so weird.
Speaker B:It's so weird.
Speaker A:Super weird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then Mick wakes up at his briefing table next to a bottle of whiskey probably.
Speaker B:I understand.
Speaker B:Like you.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:Yeah, I. I get it, man.
Speaker B:So we go from that into baby where Sam is FaceTiming Eileen.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:And they are talking about Kelly Klein and.
Speaker A:And say they're.
Speaker A:They message a picture of a house.
Speaker A:But I do appreciate that Dean looks over and sees a picture of Dagon and refers to her as a Pat Benatar type.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:But Eileen wants to figure out why this place got torched, why they left it and where have they gone now.
Speaker A:And so she's basically helping them track Kelly and Dagon is the.
Speaker A:That's the summary here.
Speaker A:She's got a system where she's tracking where they're at.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then, you know, she says, bye, Sam and it's all cute.
Speaker B:And so we go from there back to the bunker.
Speaker B:And so we figure out that every hunter is working on this.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:And that's why they had Eileen in the game.
Speaker A:But yes.
Speaker B:They still don't know where Cass is.
Speaker B:Sam suggests Crowley.
Speaker A:Dean's like, oh, no.
Speaker A:But mix.
Speaker A:They're in the bunker waiting for them because apparently he didn't break in.
Speaker A:All Men of Letters can get into all Men of Letters places that he.
Speaker B:Shares that fun fact because their weird ass key opens the door to every chapter house.
Speaker B:It's a very frat thing.
Speaker B:So Mick is there though, because he has urgent news about a Nephilim.
Speaker B:Which they knew about.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Because they have their cosmic shockwave.
Speaker A:And they're like, yeah, it's a long story.
Speaker A:And so he wants to hear it.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, well, Lucifer, Jack, the president, and then knocked up his girlfriend.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, now she's on the run with Dagon, the Prince of Hell.
Speaker A:And so Dean's pouring everybody drinks, as you should at this point in the conversation.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But Mick's pissed that he wasn't in the loop on all of this.
Speaker A:And they have to basically be like, well, we kind of, like, lost her.
Speaker A:We lost Kelly.
Speaker A:And they're like, wait, why?
Speaker A:You'd let her live?
Speaker A:And Dean's like, well, it's not her fault.
Speaker A:You know, she didn't, like, know that it was Lucifer or whatever.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, yeah, and she agreed to end her pregnancy, but she changed her mind.
Speaker A:And mix like, you should have shot her between the eyes immediately.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:They're like, oh, yeah, that's what you would have done.
Speaker A:And he's like, the code demands it.
Speaker B:Yeah, the code demands her to die.
Speaker B:And this is.
Speaker B:Once again, we're getting this code shit coming up.
Speaker B:And Sam insists, though, that they are handling it.
Speaker B:And Dean just thinks that they should.
Speaker B:Drink.
Speaker B:Drink.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we cut to the asylum where someone is being naughty.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Lucifer is able to psychically reach out to Dagon, and he wants to check on his son and its container as he refers to Kelly.
Speaker A:And they verify that the.
Speaker A:That Kelly should last as long as.
Speaker A:Indeed.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And then Lucifer makes a comment that tells and tells Dagon not to fail him again.
Speaker A:So that's an interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we're.
Speaker B:Now we're like, oh, okay, something.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But we know, like, there.
Speaker B:But at least he can.
Speaker B:We know I'm stumbling there.
Speaker B:But at least we know that Lucifer can communicate with Dagon from where he's at.
Speaker B:So that's kind of a new thing that we're learning.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And so now from there, we're gonna go back to Mick, who is back to dreaming about the day with his poor friend.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is awful.
Speaker A:Where he is.
Speaker B:Where.
Speaker A:When he was before he killed his friend.
Speaker A:His friend's like, we could run.
Speaker A:My dad would help us, you know, whatever.
Speaker A:But makes, like, orders and stabs his friend.
Speaker B:And his phone has rung, and it's Umbridge.
Speaker B:And she wants to know why he didn't report in last night.
Speaker B:And apparently I was drunk.
Speaker B:Was not a reason.
Speaker B:I mean, I think British Men of Letters would accept that as a reason.
Speaker B:It seems like something that probably Happens often.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:But he does say that he's making some progress with the Winchesters.
Speaker A:She's like, no, they're hopeless.
Speaker A:And leadership thought getting them on.
Speaker A:On board with us was key, but no.
Speaker A:And he's like, what?
Speaker A:What are you talking about?
Speaker A:And she's like, nope, Things change with the nephilim.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:We need America settled now.
Speaker A:There's no more time courting these, quote, mangy colonials.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:And they must obey or we will turn them over to Mr. Catch and start fresh.
Speaker A:It's not a discussion, it's an order.
Speaker A:Assimilate or eliminate.
Speaker A:And then I just started imagining the Borg.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The what?
Speaker A:The Borg.
Speaker A:I want Star Trek.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I mean, I just kept looking at the ass and Assimilate.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So assimilate or eliminate should also be on bumper stickers.
Speaker B:Anyhow, so that sounds.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was different.
Speaker B:So it's.
Speaker B:So Kelly is.
Speaker B:We go back to Kelly and she is on a couch, but uncomfortable because she's starting to get some weird pains going on here.
Speaker B:She's like, something's.
Speaker B:Something's weird and daga like, ah, it's all fine.
Speaker B:No, you don't need to go to a doctor.
Speaker B:You barely understand what's happening in your own body.
Speaker B:This is a baby and you don't know what's happening.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:And Kelly like, and she's all day.
Speaker B:Gun wants them to.
Speaker B:It's time for them to go to another place.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's time to keep moving.
Speaker B:And Kelly is like, we're not going anywhere until I get to a doctor and I want to know my baby's safe.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we cut from there to Dean passed out or laying his head down.
Speaker A:Passed out on the coffee.
Speaker A:On the kitchen table with a cup of coffee.
Speaker A:Sam comes in to get coffee.
Speaker A:They are both hung the over and talking about how well Mick can drink.
Speaker B:Look at his life.
Speaker B:He probably started drinking the moment like he stabbed his friend.
Speaker B:He's probably been drinking since.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:I am terrible judging ages.
Speaker B:What was that?
Speaker B:Was that like a 10 year old?
Speaker A:Probably.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:I was at 10, 12.
Speaker B:Like, I'm not sure where that kid was.
Speaker B:So you're somewhere in there.
Speaker B:So he probably started drinking.
Speaker B:He was 10.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Mick, though, overhears them asking if Dean's heard for Sam asking Dean if he's heard from Mary and says that she's working with Catch and they might make quite the team.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, would you want your mom working with Catch?
Speaker A:And that's when Mick's like, I don't Know, I don't.
Speaker A:I didn't know my mom and I didn't really know my dad either.
Speaker A:I was on the streets until how the Men of Letters found me on the streets.
Speaker B:It was this little street urchin.
Speaker A:I'm like, are we turning into all of that?
Speaker A:So we've got.
Speaker A:So we got Harry Potter, Star Trek, and now we've got some Oliver in here, too.
Speaker B:Oliver in here.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So the British Men of Letters found him when he picked a member's pocket and he got a curse coin in there.
Speaker B:But they liked his moxie, so they signed him up.
Speaker B:Do you look like you'll stab a friend?
Speaker B:Come on, come be with us.
Speaker B:And so we go from there back to, finally, a clinic.
Speaker B:So Kelly's gonna get her baby looked at.
Speaker A:I would like to point out that he also made himself a Bloody Mary while they were doing this.
Speaker B:So it looks like a good Bloody Mary.
Speaker B:Well, he couldn't find any vodka, so he just made himself some tomato juice.
Speaker A:But he was asking for the vodka, but yes.
Speaker A:So they get to the clinic where Kelly, they ask Dagon if she's a partner, and he's like, no.
Speaker A:But they do a follow up with birth coach.
Speaker A:And Dagon's like, we'll go with that.
Speaker A:And it was actually kind of funny, but she's like, oh.
Speaker A:The doctor's like, oh, the vitals are great.
Speaker A:Let's do this sonogram.
Speaker A:And Dagon is not stoked about a sonogram happening.
Speaker A:And as the doctor zooms in, he is getting quite concerned at what he is seeing on the screen.
Speaker A:But Dagon does her yellow eyes some.
Speaker A:She does some yee.
Speaker A:And controls what he says to say.
Speaker A:Everything's a.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:At one point during the sonogram, the kid's face does go to a skull.
Speaker A:That's not supposed to be.
Speaker B:That's not supposed to do that.
Speaker B:So, yeah, dig on mine.
Speaker B:Melt.
Speaker B:Everything is fine.
Speaker B:And then the doc asked about the father.
Speaker B:That's just awkward.
Speaker A:Well, they say it's for medical records, but yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then we cut back to Crowley's asylum headquarters.
Speaker A:And he is petting Lucifer on the head, calling him a good puppy and just really being condescending.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:As we all know, this is not a great plan.
Speaker A:Crowley.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's just taunting again.
Speaker B:And I just don't.
Speaker B:I know what's going on.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So Lucifer licks the floor and says he would rather be in the cage there than in the cage with his insane brother Michael.
Speaker B:Adam.
Speaker B:Adam.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:So he tells Crowley that Crowley wins.
Speaker B:I don't know if I believe this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we go from there to the Conex bunker, and we.
Speaker B:That's where we learned that the Skulls were shape shifters and they killed eight.
Speaker B:That would be Mary and Catch.
Speaker B:So the Skulls.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But Mick has to file the report.
Speaker A:Typey.
Speaker A:Typey, as Catch says, because Catch doesn't do paper work, I guess.
Speaker A:And Mary's, like, asking Catch if him and Mick are friends.
Speaker A:And Catch is like, well, I mean, we went to school together.
Speaker A:And Mary's like, well, you know.
Speaker A:Do you major in murder and minor in mayhem?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's not great.
Speaker B:And Catch prize into her giving up being a hunter.
Speaker B:And how it is that now she's up to her elbow and shifter guts and that she's just drawn to danger.
Speaker B:Mrs. Winchester.
Speaker B:And I don't like where this is going at all.
Speaker B:And we go from there back to the Conex bunker, where Mick is interrupted by a little shit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So here's a noise and pulls a gun and points it up at Rennie Rawlings, who works for Dr. Hess.
Speaker A:She works directly.
Speaker A:He's from the top of his class.
Speaker A:And he has to let you know that as he introduces himself.
Speaker A:Because he sucks.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Because he is a little.
Speaker B:And so we go from there back to the clinic, and we find that someone has come in looking for patient files with a knife.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And slits the doctor's throat.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:Then back in the bunker, they're trying to reach Cass, and Cass wants him to make your voice a male.
Speaker A:I was cracking up with that.
Speaker A:But Dean has left multiple messages and needs Castiel's help with Dagon.
Speaker A:Sam and Eileen have been talking, and he's asking her how she's got her intel, and they're just being so count.
Speaker B:So cute.
Speaker B:But we find out that she has traced all the license plates that went by the warehouse, which is smart.
Speaker B:And one of them was married.
Speaker B:Was registered to a Dermot Culp, who went missing a year ago.
Speaker B:And then she figured out that she could track him down, and she tracked him down carrying a dead body because he was a demon.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And so she killed him.
Speaker A:But first he, like, got.
Speaker B:She found out that he was working for Dagon and covering all her tracks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she was like.
Speaker B:As a way to make the Winchesters think she's even hotter.
Speaker B:She's like.
Speaker B:You know, before he got stabbed in the heart, I got his Kelly's phone number from him, which is pretty impressive.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was like, that's kind of a.
Speaker A:That's an awkward conversation.
Speaker B:And that happened really fast.
Speaker B:But good for you.
Speaker A:It did.
Speaker A:But they are very impressed.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Now we go back to the asylum and Crowley has his minions.
Speaker A:He wants them to come.
Speaker A:And he calls them all semi, semi, semi loyal, but he wants them to come hear what Lucifer has to say.
Speaker A:And he says that the beast has been humbled.
Speaker A:And he has.
Speaker A:Here's a tamed Lucifer.
Speaker A:And Crowley demands that Lucifer is his dog and tells him to calls him Marmaduke and tells him it's showtime.
Speaker A:And Lucifer turns to the minions and says the words that Crowley wants him to say.
Speaker A:But his facial expressions and his lack of specificity make it very clear that he's talking about himself being the ruler of Hell and threatening them.
Speaker A:And that he's still the boss.
Speaker A:And he flashes his red eyes.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:We know that Lucifer is not really Crowley's as he was.
Speaker B:And this is not going to end well again.
Speaker B:Crowley.
Speaker A:Damn it, Crowley.
Speaker B:You never learn.
Speaker A:Crowley in his pride.
Speaker B:And so we go to Kelly, where Kelly is on the phone with Dagon demanding supplements.
Speaker B:And Sam calls her and fakes being from the doctor's office and says they.
Speaker A:Need to see her today from some things they saw in her labs.
Speaker A:And at 5pm so she finally agrees after resisting at first.
Speaker A:So Sam and Elliot meet at this, like, port.
Speaker A:That's what I call it.
Speaker A:It's like an abandoned port.
Speaker A:What I say, Eileen.
Speaker A:What I say, I was like, who the is this?
Speaker B:Did I miss a guy?
Speaker A:But yeah, Salmon Eileen, I don't know where I was.
Speaker A:I think that's why I wrote my notes are terrible.
Speaker A:It's just this e. Salmon, Eileen go to the port where Mick and Rennie meet them.
Speaker A:Ew.
Speaker A:And Mick implies that Rennie is his backup.
Speaker A:If Dagon shows up, they'll need all the help they can get.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So Sam introduces everybody and Rennie calls Eileen the Banshee girl because they have a file.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And then he talks about all their lack of formal training and then wants to share that he was in the top of his class.
Speaker A:And Eileen cuts him off and says, no one cares.
Speaker B:And no one cares.
Speaker B:Work harder.
Speaker B:So Mick.
Speaker B:So Mick has, though, brought the cult to the party.
Speaker B:Party.
Speaker B:And he gives that to Sam.
Speaker A:So we've got Kelly trying to look a little bit incognito, walk.
Speaker A:To walk to this clinic.
Speaker A:And Sam or Dean is there to grab her.
Speaker A:Good Lord, I am mixing names now.
Speaker A:Dean's there to intervene.
Speaker B:Kidnapper and put her own baby.
Speaker B:And they take her to the port, which we're calling her now.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:The industrial.
Speaker A:It said outdoor.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:I was like, warehouse lot, question mark.
Speaker B:I don't know the.
Speaker B:This place.
Speaker A:There's water nearby.
Speaker A:That's why I thought.
Speaker A:Thought it was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the lot outside where they were filming.
Speaker B:So they try and talk to her once, but she loves her baby.
Speaker B:And by trying to talk to her, trying to convince her that this is, you know, evil spawn of Satan, child.
Speaker B:And Nick tries to tell her that she's gonna mean nothing to this baby and it's just gonna kill us all.
Speaker B:And little Rennie makes a move like he's grabbing a gun, right?
Speaker B:And Dean stops him.
Speaker B:But then the wind, it just whips up.
Speaker B:And here comes Dagon.
Speaker B:And she just flings everyone, flings them all.
Speaker A:And so we've got Dean and Mick unloading into Dagon, but it does nothing to her.
Speaker A:And Dagon is able to get to Kelly.
Speaker A:And as they are starting to walk away, Eileen gets the cult off the ground, aims at Dagon, and then right as she pulls the trigger, Dagon magically disappears.
Speaker A:Poofs out with Kelly, and the bullet hits Rennie.
Speaker A:Oops.
Speaker A:Oops.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And she's disturbed.
Speaker B:Mick overreacts and pulls gun out and says that because she killed Demanded Letters, she has to die.
Speaker B:It's the code.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, it was an accident.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, no, you don't have to do this.
Speaker A:And Eileen's like, please don't do this.
Speaker A:And Mick flashes back to his little friend that he murdered saying, please don't.
Speaker A:It's very dumb.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And Sam talks to him and he puts Dean's gun down.
Speaker B:And he tells Mikino that he only has to answer to his own code, right?
Speaker B:To do what's right.
Speaker B:And speaking of codes, we're going to talk about some codes again, because it's lore.
Speaker B:So we have been.
Speaker B:We have started talking about the.
Speaker B:What some people say the British meta of letters is based on, which is the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.
Speaker B:And this week, we're going to talk about a.
Speaker B:A special time and a special person who interacted with the Golden Dawn.
Speaker B:And through the special person, we'll learn about their neophyte rituals.
Speaker B:But we'll learn about that one later in Warlord.
Speaker B:But we're going to learn about a very special con lady.
Speaker B:And we're going to learn about a woman whose name is amazing.
Speaker B:Her name is Anne Dis Debar.
Speaker B: going to start back in London: Speaker B:And there was drama, no pun intended.
Speaker B:And Florence wrote to McGregor Mathers, the Golden Dawn's top leader who was in Paris, saying she wanted to quit.
Speaker B:Mathers replied with an eyebrow raising letter, suspecting that Florence wanted to join up with the former Chief Westcott who had left the order after it became known to some people that their coroner was in a secret society and as Aleister Crowley put IT, intimated to Dr. Westcott that he was paid to sit on corpses, not raise them.
Speaker B:Mathers wrote that Westcott had never communicated with the secret chiefs of the order.
Speaker B:All of the correspondence between Westcott and the chiefs was forged.
Speaker B:In fact, all knowledge of the golden dawn had come only through Mathers.
Speaker B:And he was the only one actually in communication with the secret chiefs, in fact.
Speaker B:Sapiens, domina, bittor, asterisk.
Speaker B:The Fraulein Anna Springle herself was at that moment in Paris with Mathers and helping him out with his current project, the Isis movement.
Speaker B: e shift ourselves to Paris in: Speaker B:Mathers said I have yet to learn where she got the knowledge of the grades up to 5 degrees out of 6 degrees from which she then had.
Speaker B:She then presented the other two to me and vouch for them as higher deserted grades in America.
Speaker B:They said they were from the American Thoth Hermes temple.
Speaker B:And Mathers took him to a meeting at the at the Thor Temple where a neophyte ceremony was held.
Speaker B:They were elected honorary members of that temple also.
Speaker B:Fraulein Springle told Mathers that she had absorbed the spirit of the late mystic Madame Helena Blavatsky and that was why she was so fat.
Speaker B:The woman was said to be quite large and tall who looked about 60 but said she was 40, 46.
Speaker B:She was quite a statuesque woman for especially for the time and in Paris.
Speaker B:So to further convince him, she told Mathers secret remarks he had shared with Blavatsky when they met.
Speaker B:Mathers would go on to tell Butler Yates that Mrs. Horos was the world's most powerful living medium.
Speaker B:But shortly after this, the alleged Sprinkle and her crew absconded to South Africa with stolen materials from the golden dawn, including the neophyte ritual they they wish witnessed.
Speaker B:Oops.
Speaker B:Mathers would claim that evil spirits were controlling Sprinkle for issues frequently a shell without honor, truth or morality.
Speaker B:I believe her and her accomplices to be emissaries of a very powerful secret occult order who has been trying for years to break up other orders and especially my work and the Golden Dawn.
Speaker B:I may tell you that on more than one occasion I confers face to face with the real sapiens dominateur Fraulein Sprinkle in this woman.
Speaker B:But another occasion I detected a demoniac slimy lacrum of that transformation as since I have detected also on one or two occasions.
Speaker B:For the entity of Mrs. Horos has been like a battle between two orders.
Speaker B:So who was this thief and con woman if not a member of a powerful secret occult order?
Speaker B:Harry Houdini would write, she was one of the most extraordinary fake mediums and mystery swindlers world has ever met.
Speaker B:This woman went by so many names, I frankly have a hard time determining what to call her.
Speaker B:Some of them were Swami Viva Ananda, Marie Louise of the Commune, Editha Solomon Editha Lola Montez, Angel Anna and my favorite, Anne Dis Debar Edith.
Speaker B:Editha was probably her given name, but for the sake of this piece we're going to call her Anne.
Speaker B:It is possible she was born an Odelia Salomon, but again we're not quite sure because she she was a very connie woman.
Speaker B: that she was born In Italy in: Speaker B:Allegedly.
Speaker B:Then she was placed with the cruel foster family as a baby and the young and frequently ran away from home.
Speaker B:She claimed to have started her first cult, the Koreshan Unity in America at the age of 12.
Speaker B:The Koreshan unity Movement's newspaper, the Flaming Star, would call her a convicted spiritualist swindler and the slickest and most accomplished cook swindler ever known.
Speaker B:So maybe they didn't quite claim her.
Speaker B:The young Ann started swindling across the country, faking illness.
Speaker B:Whenever caught in a predicament, she would suck blood from an abscessed tooth and use that to fake tuberculosis.
Speaker B:Once, when called out by a doctor who threatened to use a hot poker to look in her mouth, she ran through a priest who had come to do last rites.
Speaker B:Then she knocked over a bunch of nuns.
Speaker B:But she successfully escaped from the hotel and her hotel bill.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:As a young woman she could be found in Baltimore where she posed as Countess Lands felt And Baroness Rosenthal from Bavaria.
Speaker B:She used love traps to swindle men, often running a con that bankers in Bavaria had failed to transfer a large sum of money and that she was therefore forced, with great reluctance, to accept temporary financial assistance from a wealthy admirer.
Speaker B:And then when she had extracted as much money as she safely could from the suitor, she would promptly discard them.
Speaker A:Is this.
Speaker A:She's like the original of that.
Speaker B:What is her name?
Speaker A:The Anna that in New York a couple years ago, they just went to print.
Speaker A:They just got out of prison.
Speaker A:There's a whole.
Speaker A:It's a Netflix thing, but I know.
Speaker B:And Finding Anna, I think, was the name of the bit.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think so, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:If she went this far.
Speaker B:So she started smoking cigarettes laced with opium and ended up in Bellevue Hospital, where she stabbed an attendant, tried to stab her doctor, and wounded several others, including a medical student named Paul Noel Masson, before they were able.
Speaker B:Were able to secure her.
Speaker B:She was committed to the.
Speaker B:To the asylum for the insane on Ward's island in New York for a year here.
Speaker B:But during that time, she showed no signs of insanity.
Speaker B:So since authorities were required to release her when she was declared sane, she was subsequently discharged.
Speaker B:She then married the.
Speaker B:Now Dr. Massant, the guy she stabbed.
Speaker B: She marries him in: Speaker A:Okay, she's a bad.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:She like, stabs him and then she marries him.
Speaker B:That's something.
Speaker B:They have a daughter named Alice.
Speaker B:We don't know what happens to her.
Speaker B:Her.
Speaker B:But their marriage did not last as he died within a year, maybe under suspicious circumstances.
Speaker B:So from that, Anne ventured into the world of hypnotism and soon had a new man.
Speaker B: t General Joseph Dis Debar in: Speaker B:It just sounds like a rapper's name.
Speaker A:Or I just keep thinking of Belle B.
Speaker A:Of Devoe.
Speaker B:And this Debar.
Speaker B:So Anne used her husband to work her way into society, where she dazzled the rich with her psychic abilities.
Speaker B:So to stand up from the crowd, as spiritualist mediums were a dime a dozen.
Speaker B:Then she specialized in spirit paintings.
Speaker B:Anne claimed that among the many great masters she channeled onto the cabin campus, she had specifically summoned the spirit of Alexander the Great's court painter for several of her works.
Speaker B:Works.
Speaker B:Very specific person to.
Speaker B:To go.
Speaker B:I mean, I think back then they were more into classics than we are now, so it may make more sense.
Speaker B:And she was like, this is who I got.
Speaker B:But so the process went something like this.
Speaker B:A small white plain, a small Plain white piece of cardboard would be handed to a person to examine and mark.
Speaker B:Then they would be instructed to place it on their head so that the edge of the March card face forward.
Speaker B:And then after some squirming and some other contortions and would tell them to look at the unmarked side of the card where, voila, a massive painting had appeared.
Speaker B:And the pictures varied in size.
Speaker B:Some were as big as 50 by 72 inches and some were meant to be handheld.
Speaker B:It's pretty big.
Speaker A:That's really big.
Speaker B:But they also said that the paint would be wet and could take a few days to dry.
Speaker B:So that made me wonder if that got on the person's hair, if it was turned upside down, like, would that just.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:So how not all the pictures were created using the same process.
Speaker B:As General Distobar clearly could not meet the demand for all these paintings, particularly for the larger images, he resorted to using pre existing paintings.
Speaker B:And it was alleged that 39 of these productions were stolen from a picture dealer.
Speaker B:And spirit painting technique likely involved using canvases treated with photo development chemicals, which could then be dampened with the wet sponge to appear cool.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're like, I mean, you know, you're cheating people, but cool.
Speaker B:There are mentioned, like, see I also read that she would have like really big skirts and so she could pull out the, the second painting from it and then like put that into the first one.
Speaker B:So it's like you get your fashion and your fashion like is crime.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean it's impressive.
Speaker A:It's impressive.
Speaker B:It's impressive.
Speaker B:So there are mentions of Anne having children with Distabar, but also like nothing about what happened happened to them.
Speaker B:They did get divorced about five years after their marriage.
Speaker B: In June of: Speaker B:Naturally, those familiar with the house when Mr. And Mrs. March entertained guests were somewhat taken aback to see Anna arrayed in the lawyer's wife former gowns and jewels reclining on its silk covered sofa.
Speaker B:The press would call her the portly swindler.
Speaker B:Magicians offended by her tricks quickly showed how simple it was to create spirit paintings.
Speaker B:And it became kind of a fad to like show how everyone like to like catch the spiritualists and show how they were doing it.
Speaker B:But although maybe she wasn't as bad as all that, while awaiting her sentence and custody, she behaved as an Exemplary prisoner and was routinely giving money to all the people that she met who were in the prison.
Speaker B:Prison with her, all the poor people.
Speaker B:She was just like, here's money.
Speaker B:I mean, granted me, it was money that she stole, but, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so in New Orleans.
Speaker B:New Orleans, New Orleans.
Speaker B:I don't know where the city somewhere in the south is.
Speaker B:So in New Orleans, she next married the man who accompanied her to Paris as Theodore Horos, whose real name was Frank Jackson Dutton.
Speaker B:Frank was probably around 32 when they got married, and Anna was around 50.
Speaker B:On the marriage certificate, she presented herself as Princess Edith Lolita Baroness Rosenthal Camp, Countess of Lands Felt of Florence, Italy.
Speaker B:And together they would run the Order of the Crystal Sea Occult, said to be based around fortune telly, but in telling.
Speaker B:But in reality, the couple were blackmailing the participants.
Speaker A:Oh, oops.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:So the next day, both.
Speaker B:Both she and Frank were arrested.
Speaker B:One newspaper calling them the fat fake and the little man, charged with being a dangerous and suspicious character, which was apparently a law.
Speaker B:They were given the choice of leaving the parish within 48 hours or 30 deals, 30 days in jail.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:That was Dale.
Speaker B:30 Tales.
Speaker B:You resist the 30 tals.
Speaker B:So and so they were going to leave town, but they did it.
Speaker B:And soon Anne was arrested for fortune telling.
Speaker B:Ann showed up to court in a flowing gown which was said to make her look like a priestess.
Speaker B:And they were again given the option to pay $25 or serve 30 days.
Speaker B:And this time, as it was money, they took the time in jail.
Speaker B:They briefly moved to a D.C. suburb, where they met a widowed physician named Dr. Rose Adams, who she was informed that Theo Frank was now going by Theo was a newly reincarnated Jesus Christ.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And the swami.
Speaker A:Extreme.
Speaker B:Extreme.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And the swami.
Speaker B:Laura Horos was the mother of God.
Speaker B:Theo was also a mother God who one day would dematerialize and reappear as a beautiful woman.
Speaker B:Fascinating.
Speaker B:So the new religion was called Theocratic Unity because he was named as Theo.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Theocratic Unity and Purity League.
Speaker B:Dr. Rose gave them all her money and became their faithful servant.
Speaker B:The trio went to England and then onward to Paris, where we began our story.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:So for the conclusion of Anne Distabar's story, including the trial where the golden dawn neophyte ritual is leap, tune into more lore and we'll finish up our story there.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So that is the story of and Dista Bar and a little more insight into the Order of The golden dawn and just the shenanigans that were happening around them then, which are just fun.
Speaker B:And I frankly, also like a con artist.
Speaker B:Wild.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:It gets even wilder.
Speaker B:Gets.
Speaker B:Get this tune into lore, guys.
Speaker B:This story gets even crazier.
Speaker B:It gets wild and crazy.
Speaker A:Wild and crazy.
Speaker B:All right, so back with our.
Speaker B:With our heroes and our not so hero, Mick.
Speaker A:Finally, they talk him in to lowering his gun.
Speaker A:And he tells them to go.
Speaker A:And he seems conflicted, but Sam, Dean and Eileen do not argue and drive away quickly.
Speaker A:So now another WTF scene.
Speaker A:I know you're already signing about it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the summary is.
Speaker A:Well, the summary is that Mary, Mary, Mary.
Speaker A:And Catch banged.
Speaker B:God damn it, Mary, what were you thinking?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:And Catch, his pillow talk is that he thought he was going to end up shooting her.
Speaker B:And Marion's just like, we gotta be clear.
Speaker B:Look, this is.
Speaker B:This does not mean.
Speaker A:This does not mean anything.
Speaker B:And Catch is like, oh, of course.
Speaker B:But, you know, like, he's like, inside, like, wanted it to mean something.
Speaker A:But also he's laying in bed naked still with, like a blanket over his crotch.
Speaker A:And she's, like, almost fully dressed and figured about to get the out.
Speaker A:I just think that's.
Speaker A:That's symbolic.
Speaker B:That's a sign, right?
Speaker B:And it's just.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's.
Speaker B:I love these.
Speaker B:The artfully place pillow there.
Speaker B:But he's just like, I'm not built for that.
Speaker B:And he suspects that she isn't either.
Speaker B:But she's.
Speaker B:She's actually tells him that he's wrong.
Speaker B:But that was a long time ago.
Speaker A:And he's like, oh, you finally took my advice.
Speaker A:Choosing between work and family.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, it's not an either or.
Speaker A:I had the same conversation with my children.
Speaker A:And he's, oh, you want to have it all?
Speaker A:And she's like, I'm trying to.
Speaker B:That's right, Mary.
Speaker B:You try and have it all.
Speaker B:And we go to the asylum where Lucifer is working with a minion who is fixing his vessel.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And basically he's like, look, everything on your insides looks he's looking at with X ray vision.
Speaker A:And he's like, you're.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You look fine.
Speaker A:And Lucifer is like, trust me.
Speaker A:I'm going to be the last one standing.
Speaker A:He's like, the minion's like, your vessel's sound.
Speaker A:The repairs are secure.
Speaker A:But the things that make you Crowley's personal sock pucket.
Speaker A:Sock puppet.
Speaker B:Puppet.
Speaker B:That also.
Speaker B:So, yeah, his sock puppet.
Speaker B:His sock puppet security system is intact.
Speaker B:And apparently there was another minion that designed it.
Speaker B:And Crowley decided to kill him to safeguard that system.
Speaker B:Which makes sense.
Speaker B:That's what you do.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Lucifer is like, well, Minion, for me.
Speaker B:You can crack this, right?
Speaker A:Yes, you must.
Speaker B:Because I'm about to be a dad.
Speaker A:Got to pressure zone.
Speaker B:So the Minion leaves and we go to the bunker.
Speaker A:And Eileen is there with Salmon Dean.
Speaker A:And she is just so distraught that she accidentally killed Remy and.
Speaker A:Because she really.
Speaker A:Even though Rennie sucks.
Speaker A:She really did.
Speaker B:She's a good person.
Speaker B:And she.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:She's upset that she killed a human.
Speaker B:Being and not a monster.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:If he was a little.
Speaker B:And frankly, I mean, you're just saving the world from.
Speaker B:We don't need more of that little.
Speaker B:We're fine.
Speaker A:Well, Sam is very sweet.
Speaker A:And he hugs her.
Speaker A:It's cute.
Speaker B:He wraps her up in his giant arms.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:There's a hug.
Speaker B:Like there's just some engulfing there.
Speaker B:She's just like, oh, I'm just gonna be here and small meal tidy in your little arms.
Speaker B:It's so cute.
Speaker B:And so you go from there to Kelly.
Speaker B:And Dagon has her handcuffed to a bed head now.
Speaker A:And she's upset, but Dagon's like, you can't be trusted.
Speaker A:I'm just protecting the baby.
Speaker A:And by the way, the b.
Speaker A:And she's like.
Speaker A:Dagon's like, by the way, their baby's strong and it's gonna be fine.
Speaker A:But you won't.
Speaker A:Because y' all those weird pains.
Speaker A:That's a taste of what's to come.
Speaker A:You're birthing a nephilim.
Speaker A:And that's fatal.
Speaker A:Always.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:So now we know.
Speaker A:Yikes.
Speaker B:Like, here is this news.
Speaker B:Kelly, you gotta die.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So now we know that's gonna happen.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:And so we go to Conex Bunker, where Mick comes to find out why Catch has called him in.
Speaker B:That it's not Catch that called him.
Speaker B:Catch is a dirty little liar.
Speaker B:Because Umbridge is there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Dr. Hess is there with Mick and Catch.
Speaker A:And they're like.
Speaker A:He's like.
Speaker A:He knows it's a big deal because apparently she doesn't usually leave London.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker B:And she's so.
Speaker B:She's there to fix this situation.
Speaker B:And she just thinks these hunters are out of control.
Speaker B:And she's totally Lady Bevel's.
Speaker B:She thinks that the Brothers Winchester.
Speaker B:Or I love that they call them the Brothers Winchester.
Speaker B:And I do appreciate that.
Speaker B:But she thinks that they are just.
Speaker B:They need to be put down.
Speaker B:And then she goes into this thing where she calls hunters dogs and that they should obey orders and get.
Speaker B:It's gross think about dogs that way.
Speaker B:Either so.
Speaker B:But then she's just like, they don't obey you, and they are going to find Eileen and kill her in accordance with the code.
Speaker B:What is wrong with you?
Speaker A:And they're going to arrest the Winchesters, and they'll be investigated.
Speaker A:And if they're found guilty, they'll be executed, too.
Speaker A:And mix like, well, if aren't hunters always found guilty?
Speaker A:And then it's like, be careful.
Speaker A:He's like, no.
Speaker A:He's like, I've never broken a rule.
Speaker A:Lady Bevel failed to report all the lives that have been saved by Sam and Dean and the lives that are made better.
Speaker A:That doesn't have anything to do with the code.
Speaker A:It's the code.
Speaker A:They just have a good sense of what's right.
Speaker A:And she's like, that code's not a suggestion.
Speaker A:It's absolute.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, and so this is one.
Speaker B:One of the main problems with British amendment letters is the code is absolute, and nothing thing is absolute.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But the code is absolute, and it's what separates us from the monsters.
Speaker B:And that is a very specific minute letters thing.
Speaker B:And this is when it finally, like, Mick, like, has this realization that it's like, you made me kill my best friend.
Speaker B:What the Is this code?
Speaker B:I'm gonna do the right thing.
Speaker B:And just when he does that, Catch kills him.
Speaker A:Catch shoots him in the back of the head.
Speaker B:In the back of the head like a little bitch.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:This is a.
Speaker A:What the episode.
Speaker A:You said it from the start.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So make kind of, like, had, like, a moral epiphany and gets killed because the men of British Men of Letters are terrible.
Speaker A:Anyways,.
Speaker B:So we go to the bunker cast still mia, and they're really starting to get worried.
Speaker A:Eileen left.
Speaker B:She went back to Ireland.
Speaker B:And I don't.
Speaker B:I mean, is that a safe choice?
Speaker B:Does that put you closer to British written where I feel like the British middle letters are more powerful.
Speaker A:It's true.
Speaker B:But maybe she has more things in Ireland to kind of hide with.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So Sam, though, has handed Dean the cult.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And Dean's comment is, welcome back, sweetheart.
Speaker B:And so then we go back to our con.
Speaker B:Con expurnishment of letters, where Catch is looking at the dead Mick and the.
Speaker B:The pouring pooling of the blood.
Speaker A:And Hess tells him that their experiment to recruit American hunters has failed.
Speaker A:And so Catch asks her what to do, and Hess instructs him, exterminate every last One.
Speaker A:And she throws down Dean's file on the table.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:So exterminate all American hunters is what Catch has been instructed to do.
Speaker A:That's crazy.
Speaker B:So I'm like, how many hunters are.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:This is just nuts.
Speaker A:That's a lot.
Speaker A:That's potentially a whole lot of people.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, I don't have a hunter count.
Speaker B:I don't know if we do, but we'll see.
Speaker B:We'll do some hunter math later, but.
Speaker B:So let's find out about some Minions.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:Casting couch.
Speaker C:It's the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker A:La la la la la la la.
Speaker B:La la la la la.
Speaker A:So we've got our first.
Speaker A:I'm gonna start with Dr. Hess, because that's where we were at.
Speaker A:And Toad was played by Jillian Barber.
Speaker A: Files a few times, Smallville: Speaker A: She was Mrs. Thomas in the: Speaker A:So our young Mick child actor was played by Spencer Drever.
Speaker A:He's been in episodes of Sign Sealed, delivered a few episodes of Fargo.
Speaker A:He was in the Whispers and made our doctor.
Speaker A:Dr. Turner was played by Michael Minir, been in episodes of Van Helsing, Travelers, Frequency, Zoo Eye Zombie a few times, Charmed Big Sky a few times, Resident Alien, Yellow Jackets, and Blockbuster.
Speaker A:Our.
Speaker A:He was an auctioneer in Fifty Shades Darker.
Speaker A:Our Lucifer's demon, AKA our Minion, was played by Alex Barima.
Speaker A:He's been.
Speaker A:He was in episodes of Once Upon a Time a few times, Almost Human, the Flash, I, Zombie, Travelers, man in the High Castle, Schmigadoon Tracker, and Blue Skies.
Speaker A:He was also Jonathan in Riverdale, about a dozen episodes, and David in Resident Alien, which is reoccurring regular character as well.
Speaker A:And Dermot, our other demon, was played by Eric Mazimpaka.
Speaker A:He's done a lot of stunt work, specifically in Wayward Pines and the Last of Us, but he's also acted in both of those as well as Arrow man, the High Castle, Resident alien.
Speaker B:It had yellow jackets.
Speaker B:Very cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Good casting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, like, you know, what the.
Speaker B:Is this?
Speaker A:What the is the.
Speaker A:The words of the episode.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm really bummed because I feel like they, you know, they did really good.
Speaker A:This was like a really good character development episode for Mix and Lose.
Speaker A:Him kind of blows.
Speaker A:I love bringing back Eileen, and that's what I got.
Speaker B:Yeah, until you put a hit out on her, and then you put a hit out on everybody.
Speaker B:And just don't trust these B malls.
Speaker A:No, no, don't trust them.
Speaker B:Don't trust it.
Speaker B:Don't trust a bmol.
Speaker A:I agreed.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's what you learn.
Speaker A:Can't trust the British.
Speaker A:I'm kidding.
Speaker B:That's what happened to the British.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that's all I got.
Speaker B:To stop.
Speaker A:We'll leave it alone.
Speaker B:Invasion.
Speaker B:All right, Cheers.
Speaker A:Cheers, bitch.
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Speaker A:Going up to the spirit in the sky?
Speaker A:That's where I'm going to go when I die?
Speaker A:When I die and they lay me?
Speaker A:I'm going to go to the place that.
