2:08 Crossroad Blues
We're talking about Supernatural Season Two, Episode Eight "Crossroad Blues." Diana gets excited to talk about music and Liz gets excited to talk about the return of phallic magic. Did you know that the guardian of the crossroads likes copulation and is well endowed? Neither did we.
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Transcript
Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:And this week's episode, we get the return of Dick magic.
Speaker B:We'll also talk about hellhound farts and.
Speaker A:Go into incredibly in depth details about what Sam's MySpace page would look like.
Speaker A:Let's do this,.
Speaker B:Sa.
Speaker B:Welcome to season two, episode eight of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And this week we're gonna talk about Crossroad Blues.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Is that your blues riff?
Speaker A:That's my blues riff, yeah.
Speaker A:That was in key of E, Yeah.
Speaker A:So how's it going, Diana?
Speaker A:What are you up to?
Speaker B:I'm in that fun point right before vacation where you're just frantically trying to get all the things done.
Speaker B:So that's my excitement, you know, we.
Speaker B:We're about to celebrate Babe's birthday and go on a road trip with my entire family starting tomorrow.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Did you buy the Babe rose?
Speaker B:I did not buy the Babe rose.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:But I did get two cases of Lone Star Light.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Priorities.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I. I can't.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:You should have bought it.
Speaker A:I can't believe you didn't.
Speaker B:I know, I know.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker B:I was really debating, like, how bad is this going to be?
Speaker B:There's this canned rose that we saw our date night.
Speaker B:We had a Friday night date night to Total Wine, Costco, and Taco Casa.
Speaker B:Hell yeah.
Speaker A:That sounds perfect.
Speaker B:It was amazing.
Speaker B:And then we came home and drank wine and I watched Supernatural.
Speaker B:But we.
Speaker B:They have canned rose and it's with Bubbles.
Speaker B:And the brand is Babe, which is my husband's nickname now.
Speaker B:So, yeah, we need to.
Speaker B:Next time I'll have to grab some.
Speaker B:They have a few different varieties.
Speaker B:I think I was just like, I can't think about this.
Speaker B:I need to go to Costco.
Speaker A:My mind has been expanded.
Speaker A:There are too many choices.
Speaker A:Just put the shitty beer in there.
Speaker A:Put the shitty beer in.
Speaker A:Let's go.
Speaker B:But they did have the fancy 11 star, too.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The Mexican lager style one.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, that's really good.
Speaker B:I remember you said you had told me about it, so I got a six pack of that to try.
Speaker B:Basically, we're bringing them a condo and there's four of us that'll drink.
Speaker B:So I'm like, let's load up on, like, beach beer and seltzer.
Speaker B:So we got that.
Speaker B:We got some fun seltzers.
Speaker B:I forget which ones we got.
Speaker B:Like, I think we got, like, the Carbock brand one.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:I'm like, taking a Bunch of Texas brewing with me to Florida.
Speaker A:Yeah, you can't trust with the Florida, like, drinking, like, Yingling or something.
Speaker B:But hey, now, I was like, I think I can get some Yingling light while I'm there.
Speaker B:But we're about to have Yingling here, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just.
Speaker A:When I lived on the east coast, that was the closest thing to Shiner, so I drank way too much of it, and now I don't want to drink it anymore.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker B:It's still, like.
Speaker B:And I did.
Speaker B:I drank some when I was there, but I wasn't on the.
Speaker B:You lived on the east coast for an extended period?
Speaker B:I was there for like three months and then I visited a bunch, you know, so for me, it's still.
Speaker B:It's still a novelty range.
Speaker B:Well, when they start selling it here.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:So for those that don't know, Yingling is expanding across the country and they're gonna start selling it in Texas in the fall.
Speaker B:I'm like, I know.
Speaker B:I'm gonna be so stoked and, like, go buy a case when it comes out.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna drink that and, like, never buy it again.
Speaker B:Like, that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker B:I'm gonna be like, fuck, yeah, we have Yingling.
Speaker B:They'll be like, man, who cares?
Speaker B:Like, you do.
Speaker B:How are you?
Speaker A:I'm kind of hungover.
Speaker A:I don't know, like, really hungover.
Speaker A:Because I was fine when I got home last night, but then I stayed up really late watching Mental Samurai and I just couldn't.
Speaker A:Yeah, thanks, Diana.
Speaker A:So I couldn't stop watching that.
Speaker A:Well, first I watched a new episode of Making it, and I was so excited.
Speaker A:It's so good.
Speaker A:And I'm like, yes, it's back.
Speaker A:I love that show so much.
Speaker B:So good.
Speaker A:It's so inspiring.
Speaker A:And I was like, I want to go make shit.
Speaker A:I'm going to go make shit now.
Speaker A:And so hopefully I'll get to do some making this weekend or making my couch the new dent.
Speaker A:But, you know, one way or the other, I could learn the new design software, but I need to figure out for the 3D printer.
Speaker B:Exciting again.
Speaker A:There's so many options and I'm like, I'm going through different tutorials and skillshares trying to find which one I want to do.
Speaker A:And there's some open source software and other things, but I'm really excited about making things.
Speaker B:Making things.
Speaker B:I'm excited.
Speaker B:Excited to see your new fun creations with your 3D printer, for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I am considering making Crowns for our Medieval Times trip.
Speaker A:But I also may have bought you a crown.
Speaker A:I may have.
Speaker A:There is one that I was ordering.
Speaker A:So, guys, we're going to Medieval Times for my birthday, and I've never been to Medieval Times, and I'm very excited.
Speaker A:And I have declared as queen that we will all be wearing crowns.
Speaker A:So I was shopping for myself and for the bff, and then I saw this crown, and I was like, diana needs this one.
Speaker B:So, yeah, we'll see.
Speaker A:I still encourage you to buy your.
Speaker B:Own crown, just in case.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:And then you can have a backup crown.
Speaker A:We can have.
Speaker B:I bought two parents.
Speaker B:I do have a tiara already.
Speaker B:I think you should probably not be shocked by this information about me, but I do own a tiara, actually.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But I don't need more than one.
Speaker A:Yeah, no.
Speaker A:And I've got crowns and stuff, but the tiara is different than the crown.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because you don't want to be a princess.
Speaker A:You want to be a fucking queen.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that's where the crown is important.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think I've regaled you with our.
Speaker B:I've gone with my family, too.
Speaker B:Medieval Times a few times, and we.
Speaker B:For different events, and we get slossed on a shitty wine, and I yell a lot.
Speaker B:I like to do the Princess Bride.
Speaker B:Boo, boo, boo.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So I'm sure the knights truly appreciate that.
Speaker B:But I'm entertained, and that's what they're there for.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:I'm here for my team.
Speaker B:But that's okay.
Speaker A:They're here for my entertainment.
Speaker A:So are you recording this very early for us?
Speaker A:Are you drinking anything?
Speaker B:I am not.
Speaker B:I'm having Dr. Pepper.
Speaker B:Zero, which is actually pretty fake and good.
Speaker B:I like it.
Speaker B:It's good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You found it.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:I am actually drinking a seltzer from.
Speaker A:It's a shotgun spiked seltzer.
Speaker A:Sangria Day, Jamaica.
Speaker A:But it's made in Texas.
Speaker A:Echo in Texas.
Speaker A:And it says Puerto, Texas on it.
Speaker A:Puerto Tejas, which makes me really happy.
Speaker A:And when my friends were visiting last weekend, we were explaining to them about Puerto San Anton.
Speaker A:And just like.
Speaker A:And then I saw this in this can.
Speaker A:I was like, it's great.
Speaker A:I've got a variety pack of them.
Speaker A:There is a pickle one in there that I'm very excited about.
Speaker A:But having not really eaten much in the past couple of days and having a bunch of beer yesterday, I'm like, you know, we're gonna go with the sangria one for now.
Speaker A:That's safe.
Speaker B:Safer on the stomach.
Speaker A:Safer.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But I saw that Brand when I was at Total Wine, so it's good to know they're good.
Speaker B:Next time I have to try those.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The sangria one's really, really tasty.
Speaker B:Noted.
Speaker A:It has a luchador on it.
Speaker B:That makes everything better, right?
Speaker A:Everything is better with a luchador.
Speaker A:And there's some corn grilling.
Speaker A:I don't know what that means.
Speaker A:It's awesome.
Speaker B:It means it goes with elotes, like everything does.
Speaker A:Oh, there you go.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Down with that.
Speaker A:Well, it says it's perfect for chilling, grilling and mask emos.
Speaker A:There's no E. It says.
Speaker B:Weird.
Speaker B:Weird, but doesn't flow, but okay.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:This is a fun episode in some ways.
Speaker A:It was an amazing episode.
Speaker A:I love this episode.
Speaker B:It's a really good episode, but it's also scary.
Speaker A:Yeah, I figured there would be some things that made Diana uncomfortable.
Speaker A:There were.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:It was directed by Steve Boyam.
Speaker A:So this was his first episode.
Speaker A:He'll be doing a lot more.
Speaker A:But what I thought was really interesting about him is he not only is a director, but he was also a stuntman.
Speaker A:And he's got a really long list of credits, including he was a stuntman on the original A team, which I just think sounds like the most badass job ever, Right?
Speaker B:No kidding.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, that's cool.
Speaker B:I like it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it is written by Sarah Gamble.
Speaker A:We talked about her before.
Speaker A:So then we can go ahead and get started.
Speaker A:And I'm trying really hard not to belch.
Speaker A:And that's the problem with drinking cards.
Speaker A:So we're gonna start out in Greenwood,.
Speaker B: Mississippi, in: Speaker A:I don't know if you caught this later.
Speaker B:Timeline's off.
Speaker A:Timeline is off.
Speaker A:There's a lot of things that are off.
Speaker A:But also later on when he's back at the.
Speaker A:Well, I guess this is like post crossroads.
Speaker A:Okay, never mind.
Speaker A:So he's in Greenwood, and we see a guy, and what's he doing?
Speaker B:It's a guy playing.
Speaker B:Playing blues music, playing guitar, smoking a cigarette in, like, a.
Speaker B:Like a small room that's like, obviously a hall.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a juke joint.
Speaker B:It's a small hall being used for.
Speaker B:For live music, for blues music.
Speaker B:And it's an African American centric blues hall of some kind.
Speaker B:So, you know, that.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That's a.
Speaker B:In that era, it was very common for there to be, you know, small halls or rooms or barns and bars or whatever that were used for showcasing African American music, especially in the south, where the artists could go from hall to hall, and people in the African American community there would come watch performers because they couldn't go to other places.
Speaker A:Well, I'm going hall to hall.
Speaker A:I would be jukin, so.
Speaker A:Jukin if I go to another place?
Speaker A:Yeah, jukin.
Speaker A:Or at the joint.
Speaker A:But he's also eye fucking a woman while he's playing.
Speaker B:Well, that too, yeah.
Speaker B:They're making eyeballs at each other the whole time.
Speaker B:But then he starts kind of like getting twitchy and hearing, like, some noises.
Speaker B:And, like, you hear them, but you can tell the crowd does not hear them.
Speaker B:And so he's hearing sounds and kind of seeing some shadows.
Speaker B:And there's barking.
Speaker B:And he finally just like, flips, drops his cigarette, runs out of the door with his guitar.
Speaker B:And they're growling, like, surrounding him.
Speaker B:And at first I'm like, I'm impressed.
Speaker B:He kept his guitar with him this whole time as he's running off.
Speaker B:And then he.
Speaker B:But then he drops the guitar in the middle of the street or the gravel road and runs off into, like, this other barn and bolts the door shut.
Speaker B:And you hear a barking and something bang against the door.
Speaker B:But it, like, kind of stops for a second.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden the doors bust open and all you see is two men.
Speaker B:And then the woman that he was, I fucking come in and he's laying on the ground, like, writhing in pain and talking about black dogs.
Speaker B:And she calls for a doctor.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I also like my notice of this.
Speaker A:They were like invisible puppies.
Speaker A:And then wild dogs.
Speaker A:That's all I can think about.
Speaker A: If anybody's ever seen the: Speaker A:And then they talk about it later and they're like, wild dogs.
Speaker A:And that's all I can think about right now.
Speaker B:That's hilarious.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:There's an interesting.
Speaker B:Like, at this point, too, like, right, that scene's ending.
Speaker B:And I, like, made a point of it, but it kind of ties in.
Speaker B:But it's not as critical as I thought it might be.
Speaker B:But they do, like, a really neat close up of the cross necklace the woman's wearing as she's leaning over him and the light kind of reflects on it.
Speaker B:It was just a neat shot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think he's also a very tone setting.
Speaker A:As he was dying.
Speaker A:Yeah, as he was dying.
Speaker B:He was seeing.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, he was trying to look down her shirt.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Like, he was seeing this cross and it was this spiritual moment.
Speaker B:You're like, nah, I was looking at her tits.
Speaker A:As we know who this is supposed to be.
Speaker A:Yeah, he'd be looking at her tits.
Speaker A:That would have been Robert Johnson.
Speaker A:So, all right.
Speaker A:So we get the hint that obviously if you didn't catch it, like, when she goes, robert, don't you die.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, obviously they're like, yeah, all.
Speaker A:Right, so let's go to a diner.
Speaker A:I'm just like, damn, I want fries.
Speaker A:I was like, dean's just sitting there.
Speaker A:I'm like, those look so good.
Speaker A:Then I almost doordashed some fries.
Speaker A:And then I was like, well, I got sweet potatoes, potato fries in the freezer.
Speaker A:I should probably just eat those and not spend $40 to get fries.
Speaker B:Getting fries delivered by the time you pay a fees.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So apparently, because from what happened in the previous episode, obviously the law enforcement now knows that Dean ain't dead.
Speaker B:And so he's got a warrant out for him in St. Louis.
Speaker B:And apparently the feds aren't, like, following.
Speaker B:He's in their database now.
Speaker B:Dean just thinks it's like, no biggie.
Speaker B:Sam's kind of stressed because he's like, this is going to make our job harder.
Speaker B:And then Sam's also, there's Dean.
Speaker B:Nothing on Sam, like, as an accomplice.
Speaker B:And Dan's laughing at him for not being included in the manhunt, which is kind of funny, but kind of fucked up.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, that kind of good.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I get it.
Speaker A:What if you can live free and the other one will be a what man?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they're.
Speaker B:They start talking about their next case, which is a guy jumped off of this high rise that he had built, but before that, he had been calling and talking about black dogs.
Speaker B:So they discussed the lore on it that a specter of a black.
Speaker B:About a specter of a black dog or could be either a.
Speaker B:An animal spirit or death omen.
Speaker B:And there's some terrible joke that Dean makes about leg humping at this point because of giant black dogs.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:So they're gonna go investigate.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Why this guy who just built this building would jump off the roof after saying he had seen black dogs.
Speaker B:And why are there black dogs in the top of a high rise?
Speaker B:Because that's weird.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like wild dogs.
Speaker A:Wild dogs.
Speaker B:Wild dogs.
Speaker B:So we get our.
Speaker B:Our brother's newest disguise, whatever.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Sure is.
Speaker B:As writers for the Architectural Digest, and they're talking to the.
Speaker B:The guy that kills himself's friend who's our friend and partner.
Speaker B:And I got.
Speaker B:The guy's just like, look.
Speaker B:He always gives tributes.
Speaker B:He just lived a charmed life.
Speaker B:He used to suck at his job.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden, this one, bartending at this.
Speaker B:At Lloyd's Bar.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden, like, the next day, he could design, like, the coolest shit ever and became, like, a genius designer.
Speaker B:Designer for architecture.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:His friend seemed a little pissy.
Speaker A:I'm like, dude.
Speaker A:Like, I guess he was like his co worker or something.
Speaker A:But I was like, dude, like, you were.
Speaker A:You're hating on his success.
Speaker B:You're like, oh, no, he's a little better.
Speaker A:Like, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, were you not getting some of that shine off of him?
Speaker A:Like, were you not getting profit?
Speaker A:Yeah, no, dude, your friend's dead.
Speaker A:Don't talk shit about your friend.
Speaker A:He said, yeah, so.
Speaker B:So, yeah, and then.
Speaker B:Yeah, so I mean, that's.
Speaker B:That's kind of like.
Speaker B:So they're like, okay, so something probably fucking happened here.
Speaker B:And they go to, like, an animal, like, some weird, like, name for, like, the animal protection program or something weird to go get information on dog reports.
Speaker B:So Dean comes back from the.
Speaker B:To the car to see Sam and has like.
Speaker B:Of course he's.
Speaker B:We got Skeezy Dean in this one where he reports back on the secretary at the desk's personal stats, like, her sign and what she likes to do.
Speaker B:But funny part is that she.
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:He hands a little piece of paper to Sam and it's like, what is this?
Speaker B:And it's her MySpace account.
Speaker B:And he has no idea what a MySpace is, but he does ask if it's porn.
Speaker A:Well, it's just porn.
Speaker A:And Sam clearly knows about MySpace.
Speaker A:And then I started thinking about who's in, like, Sam's MySpace top eight.
Speaker A:Like, I was like, like, does he have any friends?
Speaker A:Cause, like, Jessica is not there anymore, obviously.
Speaker A:Like, she's dead.
Speaker A:So is it like.
Speaker A:And it was like, who else would have a MySpace?
Speaker A:Like, would Ash have a MySpace?
Speaker A:And, like, so Ash would be like, his number one.
Speaker A:He'd be in my top eight for sure.
Speaker A:But I was like, oh.
Speaker A:Then I was like, oh, man.
Speaker A:Like, he's, like, trying to friend Dean, and Dean's just not accepting his invite.
Speaker B:Not accepting it.
Speaker B:Dean doesn't know how to accept his invite.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And did, like, Sam do the MySpace coding, like, with his HTM and, like, put little, like, sparklers going across it?
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Did the original animated GIFs, you know, just like a really terrible, like, flower growing or something.
Speaker A:So Anyways, I spent a lot of time contemplating Sam's white space page.
Speaker B:That's amazing.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think, like, most of the people he would have put are dead.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:That sounds awful.
Speaker B:But, yeah, it's like, oh, you get moved.
Speaker A:And like, it's like Bobby on there.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, Bobby.
Speaker B:You got Bobby.
Speaker B:And maybe Ash.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:Listen, I wonder if there's a template so you can go out and remake MySpace pages.
Speaker B:I think it's MySpace still kind of exists.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:But if you can remember how to get into your account.
Speaker B:That's the detail.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But they.
Speaker B:What they were getting mostly was reports of black dog sightings, and that's what they were trying to research to see, like, hey, who else is there?
Speaker B:Anybody else?
Speaker A:Holy shit.
Speaker A:My space is still.
Speaker B:I told you, it's all.
Speaker A:It's still there.
Speaker B:It's still there.
Speaker A:I know it looks like SoundCloud, I guess, is what it does now.
Speaker A:Because it's all, like, artists and stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They're trying to focus on, like, musicians.
Speaker B:That's what they try to translate over into when everybody stopped using it and went to Facebook.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I guess there's an article in Slater, Kenny, I want to read.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:All right, sorry, back to this.
Speaker B:All right, so they're following up on all these reports of black dogs.
Speaker B:They go to this lady's door and they're saying they're from animal control and they're trying to find this doctor who had reported that she had seen the big dogs.
Speaker B:And it's her maid there who's like, no, she left for a few days.
Speaker B:She said she saw him, but I don't really.
Speaker B:I didn't.
Speaker B:And I wouldn't believe her normally, except that she's like a doctor and, like, super, like, logical.
Speaker B:But she used.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:They find.
Speaker B:They piece together that she, like, had, like, an overnight success, like, 10 years ago as a doctor to become, like, the youngest head surgeon or whatever at this hospital.
Speaker B:And then they find a photo taken at Lloyd's Bar.
Speaker B:So they're like, all right, now we got two ties to Lloyd's Bar.
Speaker B:We got to go check this place out in a minute.
Speaker B:And we cut to this doctor, Dr. Perlman, panicking in this, like, kind of fucking cool looking hotel room.
Speaker B:It's, like, all red and black.
Speaker B:I'm like, all right, that's pretty swanky.
Speaker B:It's not swanky, like fancy swanky.
Speaker B:It's, like, swanky and, like, old fashioned swanky.
Speaker B:And there's like some dude beating on the door and you're kind of like, oh, shit, what's going on?
Speaker B:And then she opens it.
Speaker B:It's actually a person.
Speaker B:And so she has to leave or pay for another night.
Speaker B:And she turned around to get money.
Speaker B:And then she turns back.
Speaker B:And then Diana had to cover her face because I was very upset, very distressed about this scene.
Speaker B:And his face goes all like.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:It reminded me of the ring, like, where their faces, like, got all weird.
Speaker B:The photos.
Speaker B:I didn't like it.
Speaker A:I just looked like he was doing the scream face to me.
Speaker A:Like, ah.
Speaker A:But yeah, and then like this jaws unhinging and like going, oh, yeah, it was great effect.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker B:So she throws money at him and locks the door and his face goes back to normal.
Speaker B:It was really weird.
Speaker B:And then we cut then to Sam and Dean at Lloyd's Bar.
Speaker B:And they don't.
Speaker B:In the bar.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm very disappointed they did not come this bar.
Speaker B:I was awesome.
Speaker B:I'm like, I would go have a beer in this fucking bar that looks.
Speaker A:Badass while you're there.
Speaker A:I mean, might as well go get a beer.
Speaker A:We're here.
Speaker B:It's like this little like.
Speaker B:Like small old building with like, badass old beer signs outside of it in the middle of fucking nowhere.
Speaker B:Except for this crossroads at the corner of Eltham is.
Speaker B:At the corner of each corner of the intersection are these yellow flowers that they identify as arrow flowers.
Speaker B:Is that right?
Speaker A:Yarrow.
Speaker B:Yarrow flowers.
Speaker B:Sorry, yes.
Speaker B:My notes were yarrow flowers, which are used a lot of times in summoning.
Speaker B:And so they're like, something's happening here or they're being planted intentionally or whatevs.
Speaker B:But so they decided to dig up in the right smack dab in the middle of the crossroads because.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they find this little tin box with a bottle of graveyard dirt.
Speaker B:A black cat bone.
Speaker A:No, it's a black cat bone.
Speaker B:That's what they said.
Speaker B:That's what they said.
Speaker A:Like, there's no fur on it.
Speaker B:Like, I know.
Speaker B:Like, well, how would you know?
Speaker B:But apparently that's just what you use.
Speaker A:And I'm also like, it was like a femur or something.
Speaker A:Like, how the fuck did you know this was a cat?
Speaker B:No, it was very.
Speaker B:It was very random.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, they found a bone and they said black cat bone.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, I guess the black cat bone.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Like, he said bone.
Speaker B:I said bone a lot.
Speaker B:Anyway, so apparently the crossroads are where Packs are made so that they realize that these aren't just black dogs known as, like, the Death Omen.
Speaker B:These are actually hellhounds.
Speaker B:And then they say, demonic pit bulls.
Speaker B:Boo.
Speaker B:Don't make pit bull references unless they're nice ones.
Speaker A:Anyways, hey, a demonic pit bull would be adorable.
Speaker A:They have little red eyes and maybe little horns.
Speaker A:Oh, so cute.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Oh, so cute.
Speaker A:Like, sweet face.
Speaker B:Like, that'd be cute.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so that changes it.
Speaker B:So they go.
Speaker B:We get a scene back to the doctor's hotel room where she's, like, hiding out in a room.
Speaker B:And then someone's slamming on her door.
Speaker B:She's hiding, and then it stops.
Speaker B:So she gets.
Speaker B:Stands up, and then all of a sudden, she's got a window right behind her.
Speaker B:So, shockingly, something smashes through the window.
Speaker B:And you don't really.
Speaker B:You never see, like, this dog.
Speaker B:It's invisible.
Speaker B:But you see her, like, getting tore up and then get pulled out of the screen.
Speaker A:Yeah, she got fucked up.
Speaker A:Those puppies were mean.
Speaker A:I think she needs to get some treats.
Speaker A:Like, you guys need to learn how to work with dogs a little better.
Speaker B: And then we cut back to: Speaker B:And it's the same crossroads by Lloyd's.
Speaker B:But Lloyd's wasn't there yet, to be clear.
Speaker B:And it's Robert Johnson.
Speaker B:So this is before the scene we saw earlier.
Speaker B:So we're jumping back further, showing how this all came about, where he buries something.
Speaker B:He's got, like, a little pouch he buries in the middle of the crossroads.
Speaker B:And a woman in white appears behind him and her eyes flash red.
Speaker B:And he says he wants to be the best blues man who ever lived.
Speaker B:And so she.
Speaker B:She kisses him and she disappears.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:You make out with him and then poof.
Speaker B:Demon, wish, make out poof.
Speaker B:That's how it works.
Speaker B:Wish, make out, poof, die.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, so they.
Speaker B:You know, they're talking about Sam and Dean.
Speaker B:Go back and they're talking about the crossroads or talking about Robert Johnson.
Speaker B:And how about how the occult references in his music and that it's believed that he was.
Speaker B:He died choking on.
Speaker B:In their case, it's believed he died choking on his own blood and hallucinating and muttering about evil dogs.
Speaker A:And also, Dean mocks the shit out of Sam for not knowing who Robert Johnson is.
Speaker A:And I would, too.
Speaker A:I'd be like, really?
Speaker A:And this is what I like.
Speaker A:That my music nerd would come in and I'd be like, you don't know Robert Johnson.
Speaker A:Oh, My God.
Speaker A:So we know Robert Johnson, and we're going to talk about Robert Johnson and Crossroads and stuff, because it's time for some lore.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Obviously, you know, last week we decided we had recording this early, and Tanya was like, can you get this done in time?
Speaker A:And I'm like.
Speaker A:I was like, yes, but.
Speaker A:Because I'm very excited about this, and I could have.
Speaker A:Honestly, there's so much research I still have.
Speaker A:Like, I didn't even get through, like, half of it, but I was sitting in a bar last night, and, like, while I was working on.
Speaker A:Working on lore, like, someone comes up behind me, and they're like, oh.
Speaker A:So I saw you're reading my Robert Johnson, and I'm like, fuck, I need a screen protector.
Speaker A:And then he started telling me about, like, some blues.
Speaker A:Got some, like, blues guy from.
Speaker A:From.
Speaker A:From Canada, and he's like, really great.
Speaker A:He sings the song about the devil, and I'm like, half the blues songs are about devils.
Speaker A:But, okay, dude, yeah, nice to meet you.
Speaker A:Please go away and let me sit at this bar and be antisocial for a while.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:It's like reading at the bar is like, the ultimate cue that I don't want to talk to people.
Speaker A:But, no, it never works that way.
Speaker A:They're just like, oh, what are you reading?
Speaker A:We were like, well, clearly I didn't invite you to see what I'm reading, but also was very happy just to be working at a bar.
Speaker A:It's so nice to be able to, like, sit at an actual bar and not, like, at a table by myself out in the corner.
Speaker A:Like, it's just something nice about someone bringing me beer while I'm researching.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker A:It makes me happy.
Speaker A:Also, there's a bug, and the cat is chasing it.
Speaker A:And so we may hear some fun noises in a second.
Speaker A:All right, so the Robert Johnson legend has been around for a very long time, and I think most of you probably know it.
Speaker A:Basic gist before we go into details.
Speaker A:You know, the legend goes, robert couldn't play guitar.
Speaker A:He goes away, comes back, and he's a genius.
Speaker A:I'm like, well, how'd you do this at the crossroads?
Speaker A:That's the story in a nutshell, right?
Speaker A:So let's talk a little bit about crossroads.
Speaker A:So Crossroads, or the forks of the road, is a place where two roads cross honor about at right angles.
Speaker A:And the crossroads is a land that belongs to no one.
Speaker A:A place outside the borders of town which is a suitable site to perform traditional hoodoo magic rituals or cast spells in the African American hoodoo tradition.
Speaker A:Crossroads can be where you perform a ritual to gain skills or the place to perform magical spells of disposal and dispersal.
Speaker A:So you can kind of leverage them for different things if you're doing root work.
Speaker A:So in hooda lore, the black man at the crossroads is a spiritual entity that, if the proper ritual is carried out, can magically bestow a skill or knowledge on that.
Speaker A:See, so the difference between meeting up with the black man and traditional demon packs of lore, which is kind of what they're going in here.
Speaker A:So, like, in this episode, we're getting a cross between crossroads and Faustian pacts.
Speaker A:And if you kind of go into think about the Robert Johnson legend itself, it says, like, that is a Faustian pact, right?
Speaker A:I'm going to give you my soul.
Speaker A:And for that you get this.
Speaker A:But typically, like an actual hoodoo, like, they're not really.
Speaker A:You're not selling your soul, right.
Speaker A:It's really just more about he's not giving you the gift for free, but basically he just requires.
Speaker A:Sometimes there's like, you need to do me 70 years of service.
Speaker A:But there's really no eternal damnation or the loss of the soul.
Speaker A:Skills you can learn at the crossroads could be you can learn to play a musical instrument, to become talented at dice throwing, dancing, public speaking, or whatever you really choose.
Speaker A:So I mean, if you were at a crossroads, what skill would you want?
Speaker A:Diana?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I'm too indecisive.
Speaker B:That seems like very.
Speaker A:Like it's gonna be really stressful.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, I would be so stressed out.
Speaker B:That's like, like, like that's gonna be like, what's your favorite band?
Speaker B:I'm like, I'm gonna go deep breathe in the corner for about an hour, and then I'll come back with a list of 10.
Speaker B:How about that?
Speaker B:That's like, I can't.
Speaker B:Like, I cannot.
Speaker A:I. I always do my top 10.
Speaker A:Like, I was like, okay, top 10.
Speaker A:No particular order, although I know, like the top three.
Speaker B:So how do you make a wish?
Speaker B:Like, that's insane.
Speaker B:Like,.
Speaker A:Well, I think, you know, it's because you're learning a skill.
Speaker A:Like, there's probably something really specific, right?
Speaker A:Like, I like the dancing one.
Speaker A:And it's just like.
Speaker A:But I'm picturing like, you know, old blue, like old, like old timey dancing.
Speaker A:So, like jigs and shit.
Speaker A:So it's like, I really want to learn how to do a reel.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But all right, so to conduct the ritual, you basically you bring an item that you want to master.
Speaker A:So it could be a musical instrument, a deck of cards and dice, et cetera.
Speaker A:And you take that to the crossroads, and then you wait there for a number of nights or mornings, depending on which ritual you're doing.
Speaker A:And during your visits, you may encounter a mysterious series of black hued animals.
Speaker A:And on your last visit, a figure will arrive.
Speaker A:And this is the man who meets people at the crossroads and teaches them skills.
Speaker A:He's called the devil, the writer, the little old funny boy, or the big black man.
Speaker A:And in this situation, black means the actual color black and not your skin, not a skin color.
Speaker A:And so if you show no fear or stand your ground, the black man will take up the item you brought with you and show you how to properly use it by demonstrating himself.
Speaker A:And then when he gives the item back to you, you now have the gift to excel on that.
Speaker A:So the crossroads are intrinsically linked to Asu Eligbara, who exists under different names in many West African cultures and throughout the US and or against Americas in general.
Speaker A:But you probably have heard like, of Legba.
Speaker A:And other things you may not have heard of would have been like Xi etu Aluga, I think, but also Papa Legba, which is really big in voodoo culture, and Papa Labosse.
Speaker A:So Henry Louis Gates described Esu's function as a meteor situated at the crossroads.
Speaker A:And I get really excited when I got to this part, because you'll hear why, okay.
Speaker A:Each version of Esu is a sole messenger of the God.
Speaker A:He who interprets the will of God to man, he who carries the desires of man to the gods.
Speaker A:Esu is a guardian of the crossroads, master of style and of stylus, the phallic God of generation and fecundity.
Speaker A:Master of the elusive mystical barrier that separates the divine world from the profane, Frequently characterized as an inverterate copulator possessed by his enormous penis.
Speaker A:Linguistically, su is the ultimate copula, Connecting truth with understanding, the sacred, with the profane text with interpretation.
Speaker A:The word as a form of the verb to be that links the subject with a predicate.
Speaker A:And so obviously, we got dick magic.
Speaker A:We got back to dick magic.
Speaker A:And it's been a while.
Speaker A:It's been a while since we had that.
Speaker A:And I'm just really happy that it came back.
Speaker A:I also am very excited that this man has a giant penis.
Speaker A:So good on you, folklore, for making sure that the giant peen was kept into it all right.
Speaker A:In the blues tradition, this trickster figure is often represented as a devil.
Speaker A:Author Adam Glassau believes that associating Oneself with a devil gave a source of usable power for a blues reformer.
Speaker A:A form of subcultural one upmanship that can translate into profitable mystique on the streets and in the jukes.
Speaker A:So I think this is really interesting that basically it was kind of like a reputation builder.
Speaker A:And it was like, hey, like I'm going to be cool, so I'm going to be talking about like evil and the devil.
Speaker A:But it also is allowing blues singers to make this direct connection between their craft and hoodoo.
Speaker A:So in voodoo hoodoo, which I love when those words are paired together because they sound great.
Speaker A:In voodoo hoodoo religious belief, it was at the crossroads that one could not find, could find not the devil, but Legba, the most powerful trickster God.
Speaker A:The confusion of Legba with the devil is easily explainable.
Speaker A:Just as early Christian missionaries taught their African converts that Legba was Satan, so did the semi dualism of Christianity imposed upon the holistic cosmology of the Africans brought to America as captives forced Legba into the satanic role.
Speaker A:So, you know, to interpret it, interpret his big words.
Speaker A:There really is just that, hey, Christians wanted to force people's beliefs into a thing.
Speaker A:And they're like, we either have good, we have good and evil.
Speaker A:Leg was not God.
Speaker A:So clearly he must be evil.
Speaker A:He's a trickster.
Speaker A:So he's Satan.
Speaker A:Because, you know, in that some way that some Christian religions have of like everything that's not us is Satan.
Speaker A:So that was kind of it.
Speaker A:But so the actual legends, right?
Speaker A:So who did sell their soul at the crossroads?
Speaker A:The two most popular legends are that either or both Robert Johnson and Tommy Johnson, who is not related, learned to play the guitar from the devil at a crossroads.
Speaker A:So I want to talk a little about Tommy Johnson.
Speaker A:Because you may not be this familiar with him, but if you remember in oh brother, where art thou?
Speaker A:The Tommy they pick up, that's Tommy Johnson.
Speaker A:So remember, like, and I didn't actually know this for a while.
Speaker A:I always just thought there it was like they're doing a plan.
Speaker A:Robert Johnson.
Speaker A:But it really is Tommy Johnson.
Speaker A:So he's the one in the movie.
Speaker A:He's his soldier, his soul to play guitar, Right.
Speaker A:He was one of the most prominent blues musicians in the early 20th century.
Speaker A:Like Robert, he was part of the musical movement known as the Delta blues.
Speaker A:Obviously called because it originated in the Mississippi Delta.
Speaker A:Tommy, however, was a troubled soul and a chronic alcoholic.
Speaker A:He had somewhat commercial success with hits like I love the song Canned Heat Blues, A song about drinking methanol from the cooking fuel stirred Up.
Speaker A:And I was like, that's some alcoholic problems.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, and that shit smells so bad too.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:So Tommy was also known to play the guitar behind his neck, in between his legs and in midair.
Speaker A:Aside from his guitar techniques, Tommy's voice was unique and incredibly difficult for anyone to imitate.
Speaker A:And so he was able to do a wide range of vocal tones, like pretty easily.
Speaker A:And people were just like, well, clearly, you know, you've got this ability, you gotta kind come from the devil.
Speaker A:But Tommy has just started like confirming this.
Speaker A:And so he would say, if you want to learn how to play anything, if you want to learn how to play anything you want to play and learn how to make songs yourself, you take your guitar and you go to where a road crosses that way, where a crossroads is.
Speaker A:Get there.
Speaker A:Be sure to get there.
Speaker A:Just a little 4:12 that night.
Speaker A:So you know you.
Speaker A:So you'll know you'll be there, you have your guitar and be playing a piece there by yourself.
Speaker A:A big black man will walk up there and take a guitar and he'll tune it and then he'll play a piece and hand it back to you.
Speaker A:That's the way I learned to play anything I want.
Speaker A:And if you listen to that, that's very similar to just the hoodoo tradition of like going to crossroads to learn a scale.
Speaker A:You go, the person, whoever comes there basically plays it for you and then you learn.
Speaker A:So it's very, very similar to the traditional hoodoo folklore.
Speaker A:One of Tommy's critics said that Tommy's story was just to bolster his fame and reputation and august his trickster image.
Speaker A:But really the only difference between Tommy's legend and Robert's legend is just kind of the end result.
Speaker A:So because, you know, Robert Johnson died when he was 27, became the original founder of the 27 Club.
Speaker A:Which for those of you who are not familiar, the 27 Club is the idea that really talented musicians die at 27.
Speaker A:So Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janice Joplin, Kurt Cobain, Amy Winehouse all died at 27.
Speaker A:So that's, it's a theory that this is like kind of where that originated.
Speaker B:Yeah, they originated.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay, so let's, let's talk about Robert then.
Speaker A:So, you know, we talked about what his legend was.
Speaker A: disappear from public eyes in: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So earlier.
Speaker A:Go ahead.
Speaker B: , my notes had disappeared in: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, that's when he dies.
Speaker A: So: Speaker A:In Reality time in the timeline at this point, he really was not a good musician and he disappears.
Speaker A:And everyone says he was gone for like six months, but he was actually gone for more likely two to three years.
Speaker A:And so what he did do was he went.
Speaker A:So at breakfast time too, his wife had just died, so he had kind of given up a bit of his musical career to become a sharecropper and have hang out with his wife and his kid.
Speaker A:His wife dies, he gets all fucked up.
Speaker A:He's still not playing.
Speaker A:He's like, I wanna, I wanna play guitar.
Speaker A:So he goes back to his birthplace.
Speaker A:He starts studying guitar with Ikea Zimmerman.
Speaker A:Zimmerman, who I also love as a character.
Speaker A:So he told his wife that he learned playing guitar sitting on top of tombstones.
Speaker A:Zimmerman practiced guitar in his local graveyard at midnight and would tease his family about how the haints, which is a hoodoo term for ghosts or spirits, how the haints would come out when he was picking and then soon after Robert came there, Robert would join him in the graveyard.
Speaker A:According to Zimmerman's grandson, it was always at 12 o'.
Speaker B:Clock.
Speaker A:They would leave and go to that cemetery.
Speaker A:It's got them old tombstones.
Speaker A:He'd sit back there with him.
Speaker B:Robert.
Speaker A:He wasn't at no crossroads.
Speaker A:There wasn't no crossroads.
Speaker A:They went cross the road because you gotta go across the road to get to that cemetery.
Speaker A:Which I think is a great description.
Speaker A:It's just like it got across the road.
Speaker A:But so after, you know, after this years of studying with Ike, then Robert comes back to the world and he, he's really, really good because he spent a couple years learning sitting on top tombstones and learning how to play, which I.
Speaker B:Playing his guitar in a graveyard, which just sounds like super like sounds gothy and fun.
Speaker B:We can talk those afterwards.
Speaker A:That's like, yeah, let's go have like, as much as I hate the term, everybody says you want to have a jam session.
Speaker A:I'll punch you in the face if you say that.
Speaker A:But we could go play songs in the.
Speaker A:In a cemetery and then go get talked to them.
Speaker B:Playing songs in the cemetery is completely different.
Speaker A:Yeah, so Robert, you know, really though, he cultivates this image of himself as a trickster, but also a lot of his stuff is used about being a ladies man or okay, a womanizer.
Speaker A:He was not a good man to women.
Speaker A:He was shitty.
Speaker A:But he didn't turn away from this legend around him.
Speaker A:He was also known to have told the story himself.
Speaker A:Interestingly enough, like the song they talk about in this episode and the One that's really Crossroads Blues.
Speaker A:Dyna's laughing because the cat's attacking me.
Speaker B:You did a really good job.
Speaker B:Just keep talking and like the cat's like trying to eat your arm.
Speaker A:But Crossroad Blues doesn't really mention anything about the devil or about a pact for skills.
Speaker A:It's really just more about being at a crossroads.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So here's some fun facts and I think Dinah's gonna want to play off one of them.
Speaker A:So Hellhound was actually recorded in Dallas.
Speaker A:So anything you want to say about that?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Robert Johnson is, you know, he really.
Speaker B:His discography is very, very short.
Speaker B:As much as he is a legacy and arguably is was one of the greatest blues men to live at least for that time period.
Speaker B:He actually recorded almost 13 of his 29, the only 29 tracks he ever recorded at a place called 508 park in downtown Dallas.
Speaker B:And luckily the.
Speaker B:Some nonprofits in the city have actually preserved that property and have been doing events at it.
Speaker B:Artists, other artists have recorded there recently.
Speaker B: on was recording, this was in: Speaker B:Gene Autry also recorded there before it was shut down as a recording studio.
Speaker B:Bob Wills also recorded there.
Speaker B:Lolo Cavazos was a kahunto player that also recorded there.
Speaker B:And yeah, it's a church that operates the bill that.
Speaker B:That yeah, that operates the building now.
Speaker B:But they've been really in the last 10 years specifically they were able to get a lot of funding to really renovate it.
Speaker B:It is an art deco building that's in downtown proper and they've got like some community stuff there as well.
Speaker B:It's not only the music, but they've had some of the light posts in a downtown area.
Speaker B:They have the cool like, oh, here's cool things about our city.
Speaker B:They've done those about five away park before.
Speaker B:And another little tie in just so you know, is the other place.
Speaker B:Notable place that he recorded was I'm sorry, I was gonna do my segue.
Speaker B:I'll leave it.
Speaker B:I'll leave it.
Speaker B:So either way, the most important thing is that 508 park is still in existence today and has been able to, you know, really kind of work in recent years at least to preserve and celebrate the Robert Johnson's legacy.
Speaker B:Which is kind of neat.
Speaker B:And it's probably kind of ironic that it's a church.
Speaker A:Just saying.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so the other thing, it wasn't.
Speaker B:Then, but it is now.
Speaker A:The other thing that Diana was mention.
Speaker A:Well, I Mean, you could have.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A: rded a bunch of his tracks in: Speaker A:And he recorded that in room 414.
Speaker A:They changed that into a music studio to record there.
Speaker A:So that's where he recorded Sweet Poem Chicago, which is probably, I think everybody, even if you don't know blues, you know, Sweet Home Chicago.
Speaker A:He also recorded I Believe I'll Dust My Brew, but I did check that is.
Speaker A:So for those of you who don't know, the Gunter is one of San Antonio's most haunted hotels, which is why this is extra awesome.
Speaker A:I was like, 414 is not on the haunted room list.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Which I think it would have been really interesting if it was, but, you know, so I think there's just that cool tie in of this man associated with a dark legend in a hotel that's associated with many dark legends.
Speaker A:And I think that the first suicide that happened there that inspired like one of the original ghosts, I think was before this happened.
Speaker A:So maybe there was like ghosties, like playing with him.
Speaker B:Or maybe the ghosts just didn't just want to be respectful of the recording environment because they know their presence can affect sound waves and so they just didn't want to fuck up the records.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, why is there all the static on this track?
Speaker A:Oh, fuck, it's the ghost.
Speaker B:So they were just like, you know, we want to fuck with people.
Speaker B:We don't want to really ruin their record.
Speaker B:We know it's like really hard to go record in this era.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So there we go.
Speaker A:So really those are the stories of Tommy and Robert.
Speaker A:I think, you know, we could spend hours and hours talking about this.
Speaker A:There's so many intricacies and so many things that really go into how the theme of, like, the devil and who itself is really a part of.
Speaker A:Of the blues tradition.
Speaker B:And especially Delta blues.
Speaker B:Especially Delta blues, which is considered specific, as a specific subset of the blues.
Speaker B:It's the Delta blues, which.
Speaker B:Which is a very southern specific type of blues music that Robert Johnson basically pioneered.
Speaker A:Ish.
Speaker A:Yeah, he was.
Speaker A:He was one of the forerunners, we can say that for sure.
Speaker A:And, you know, he basically was probably about the third iteration of like, blues movements when it started coming out.
Speaker A:But I think, you know, really, really thinking about just in terms of subject matter, having hoodoo within the south and Hellhound.
Speaker A:Yeah, but I mean, hoodoo is, you know, it is.
Speaker A:It's not a religion, it's a tradition.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's con.
Speaker A:You know, It's.
Speaker A:There's so many great, great stories about.
Speaker A:But this would have been something they grew up with, something that was just around them.
Speaker A:So having that become a part.
Speaker A:So what I think is really cool is that then becomes a part of American history.
Speaker A:Just because blues is.
Speaker A:This is an American, you know, that is an American genre and we will own that forever.
Speaker A:You know, it's one of the great things that America's music has produced.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then it would end up influencing, you know, all of rock and roll.
Speaker A:I mean, you can't, you can't.
Speaker A:You can't look at any of like the.
Speaker A:What are considered like the great people without them saying their influence came from these blues musicians.
Speaker A:So anyhow, tangent on blues and some tangents on hoodoo.
Speaker A:And I also just really like saying hoodoo.
Speaker A:It's just hood.
Speaker B:Hoodoo is a fun one to say hoodoo.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So did you, like.
Speaker B:I'm sure you did.
Speaker B:Did you follow like after he died, like, what.
Speaker B:What kind of like they.
Speaker B:They talked about.
Speaker B:So I was really fascinated.
Speaker B:So apparently Robert Johnson died like on like out playing a tour or whatever, right?
Speaker B:Whatever he did, you know, that's all he did basically.
Speaker B:And like, no one really noticed.
Speaker B:And then like 30 years later, like, oh, he died like 30 years ago.
Speaker B:Like this music college just like tracked down, like, exactly what it.
Speaker B:Like, not exactly because they didn't have exact, but kind of like had to like, piece here, like, oh, that's when he died.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Like, no one, like, it wasn't, it wasn't front page news like today, you know, like how we handle like celebrity passings.
Speaker B:It was kind of.
Speaker B:It's just kind of interesting to think about that.
Speaker A:Well, it is.
Speaker A:But also, I mean, so the time where like the legend starts spreading and where things start really kind of like popping off or, you know, for this comes a lot into like the folklorist recordings and people like Lomax.
Speaker A:So Lomax was running around and trying to like, basically capture all of like the folklore folk music.
Speaker A:And by folk music, I don't mean Peter Palmeira.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, traditional American music.
Speaker A:So a lot of the legends and things really did come after the fact that.
Speaker A:And, you know, were conversations that these white dudes were having with people from there.
Speaker A:So there is quite a bit of questions and, you know, academic discussion about how much of our perception about what these, you know, what the lies are, like, what influenced these songs was coming from that perspective as opposed to a.
Speaker A:Someone who is coming from that subculture.
Speaker A:It was the same thing as Somebody reporting on punk rock and, like, not being.
Speaker A:Being a punk rock, you know, like.
Speaker B:Like happens that would never happen or, you know, for sure.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I always think that's interesting when you think about things that are really important to our culture, but understanding, like, what influenced our perception of it.
Speaker A:So I don't know.
Speaker A:I think it's an amazing story.
Speaker A:For sure.
Speaker A:I always loved Robert Johnson anyways, and now I get to learn about, you know, Tommy Johnson, who I didn't know I knew you.
Speaker A:Now I know.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:Yeah, and dick magic and more dick magic.
Speaker A:Always.
Speaker A:It always comes back to dick magic.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Awesome, awesome.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:Cool stuff to talk about, for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, so let's go to.
Speaker B:Back to the story.
Speaker B:So they figure out.
Speaker B:They figure out that they need that.
Speaker B:Apparently the surprise.
Speaker B:They added a bit to the whole legacy.
Speaker B:They're like, oh, by the way, in addition to the grave dirt and the.
Speaker B:The black cat bone, you also have to put a picture of yourself in the box, which they didn't really allude to earlier, but they did.
Speaker B:So they find that they have the photo of this guy.
Speaker B:So they take it to Lloyd's Bar and be like, hey, who the fuck's this guy?
Speaker B:They find this guy, George Darrow, and they're kind of surprised because, like.
Speaker B:And I was just kind of like, okay, something weird's going on here.
Speaker B:Or this guy's, like, super nice guy.
Speaker B:But apparently they.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:Instead of wishing, he.
Speaker B:When he wished for his talent or his.
Speaker B:His wish or whatever, he chose to be the greatest artist.
Speaker B:But instead of being famous or rich or successful, he was just a really fucking good artist.
Speaker B:And his art was actually pretty fucking cool.
Speaker B:Whatever they used.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's amazing art.
Speaker A:His studio is fucking amazing, too.
Speaker A:Like, I would have.
Speaker A:I would have created in that studio all the time.
Speaker B:And he had.
Speaker B:And he had a different.
Speaker B:He had some, like, black powder at the door frame.
Speaker B:And they're like, is it pepper?
Speaker B:You're supposed to use salt, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:I'll let you talk about the dust.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's goofer dust, or sometimes also known as goofa dust, depending on how southern you are and how big your accent is.
Speaker A:So that is.
Speaker A:You know, basically that can refer to powder or dust that's used in conjuring work to trick, stop, or harm an enemy or predicament.
Speaker A:In the Carolinas, though, some people call snuff goofer dust, which is really interesting.
Speaker A:So it's reading about this old conjurer world, and they were talking about she's sitting on the porch sniffing goofer dust.
Speaker A:And then I was like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:Well, that's weird.
Speaker A:And then I was like, oh, it's also snuff.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Which looks the same.
Speaker B:Does she just really like to party?
Speaker A:So in New Orleans, goofy dust is often called graveyard dirt too.
Speaker A:So if you think about.
Speaker A:They're talking about what goes in the box, having the graveyard dirt in there.
Speaker A:That's also.
Speaker A:Can be a version of goofy dust Dust.
Speaker A:And it comes from the K. Congo word, which is a Congo with a Congo.
Speaker A:The term for Congoing.
Speaker A:Congo.
Speaker A:Congo.
Speaker A:I don't want to say Congolesean.
Speaker A:Like, that's not good.
Speaker A:But yeah, so from the Congo it comes from that word which kufwa K U F W A which means to die.
Speaker A:I learned a good word.
Speaker A:Well, you can say when you think about it, is trying to stop things from happening, right?
Speaker A:So you're trying to stop evil.
Speaker A:You're trying to counteract a spell.
Speaker A:You're trying to do the other things.
Speaker A:So to die in this sentence doesn't necessarily mean, you know, cut loose and mortal quarrel.
Speaker A:It just means I'm going to end something.
Speaker A:So that's my finesse.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:And basically, though, he's like, it's his hoodoo to keep out demons.
Speaker B:And Sam's kind of like, hey, let's, let's.
Speaker B:Let's help you.
Speaker B:Let us help you stop the hellhounds.
Speaker B:You don't.
Speaker B:You know, this is.
Speaker B:You shouldn't have to die for this.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, I made the fucking deal.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I accept it.
Speaker B:I feel bad.
Speaker B:I shouldn't have summoned that thing.
Speaker B:I fucked up.
Speaker B:I was being.
Speaker B:You know, and now.
Speaker B:And then I feel bad.
Speaker B:The worst part is though, that after I summoned it, it hung out for 10.
Speaker B:Like, first.
Speaker B:What are the several days and talk to a bunch of other people.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:And they're like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:Do you know who the other people are.
Speaker A:Are thankful he knew he had been.
Speaker B:Tracking the doctor, who we now know is dead.
Speaker B:And he'd been tracking the architect, who we now know is dead.
Speaker B:But there was one other person.
Speaker B:But it's really interesting that he's just like.
Speaker B:And Dean actually really doesn't really want to help this guy either.
Speaker B:Dean's kind of like, fuck it, he made the deal.
Speaker B:We don't really need to help this guy at all.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, we should help everybody.
Speaker B:And the guy's like, no, I. I did this.
Speaker B:It's okay.
Speaker B:I just want to finish My painting.
Speaker B:I just need two days to finish.
Speaker A:My painting, which I completely respect.
Speaker A:I was just like, man, you did something.
Speaker A:You take accountability for it.
Speaker A:But also, sometimes you just really need to finish your painting.
Speaker A:So it's like, can you just hold off?
Speaker A:Because if I die, this isn't finished.
Speaker A:I'm a real pest.
Speaker B:Pissed off spirit.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:And yeah, so we cut to this.
Speaker B:The guy, the other guy named Evan Hudson that they had that, that George Darrow had identified.
Speaker B:And this guy's, you know, sitting working on something in his office and.
Speaker B:And his wife like walks in.
Speaker B:He's like, oh yeah.
Speaker B:He's like, go see your sister and your niece and blah, blah, blah, I'll just be around here.
Speaker B:And then he does a really awkward goodbye, which I'm like, that's not like a red flag.
Speaker B:Like, just know that I'll always love you.
Speaker B:Like, I'm just going to my sister's house for the weekend.
Speaker B:This is really suspicious.
Speaker B:Like, what are you doing?
Speaker A:I'm like, are you gonna have an affair?
Speaker A:Are you going to murder somebody?
Speaker A:Are you gonna kill yourself?
Speaker A:Like, these things like, do not inspire me to leave you with confidence.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And then she tells her that he loves her.
Speaker B:And then she turns to leave.
Speaker B:And then as she's turning back, I got.
Speaker B:I got.
Speaker B:I got the feeling.
Speaker B:And the music changed a little bit.
Speaker B:And I covered my eyes so I didn't see her face.
Speaker B:I didn't see it at all.
Speaker A:It was a good face.
Speaker A:No, I'm just gonna send you pictures of it.
Speaker B:Like Dave was actually watching with me last night.
Speaker B:Well, kind of like he was doing stuff.
Speaker B:He was in the room.
Speaker B:So I was like, was it scary?
Speaker B:He's like, it was pretty freaky.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I just call it fun, fun, fun.
Speaker A:Stretchy demon face.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:It's like Silly putty in a face.
Speaker B:Oh my go.
Speaker B:It's very distressing to me.
Speaker B:And like the milky eyes, I don't like it.
Speaker B:I didn't see hers, but the other guy had milky eyes.
Speaker B:I saw that one.
Speaker A:Yeah, she kind of milky little milky way.
Speaker B:Anyway, so Sam and Dean show up at his house and show.
Speaker B:The wife's gone at this point because her face does go back to normal and she just leaves.
Speaker B:And the husband's like freaked out.
Speaker B:Which also, why does she not like, when she goes back to normal, she doesn't like react to the fact that he's looking at her like that.
Speaker B:Like, she's like.
Speaker B:She turns around, it's all scary faced and he's like horrified she's like, I love you.
Speaker B:He's just looking at her like, what the.
Speaker B:Like, oh, there's a lot of red flags going on here.
Speaker B:I'd be like, nah, babe, I'm gonna stay with you this weekend because I'm worried about.
Speaker B:But, yeah.
Speaker B:So there.
Speaker B:He's terrified and assumes that Sam and Dana are demons too.
Speaker B:They're like, hey.
Speaker B:So they gotta break in and chase him down in his own house.
Speaker B:But they figure out what his wish was from the demon.
Speaker A:Okay, before that, I just want to say.
Speaker A:So, like, Dean is kicking down doors.
Speaker A:Dean is turning doorknobs.
Speaker A:That was such a great exchange.
Speaker A:Like, when they get to the door and he's like.
Speaker B:Like, hold on, just open it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so we.
Speaker B:And they're all like, oh, you selfish bastard.
Speaker B:What did you get?
Speaker B:What did you wish for?
Speaker B:That, like, oh, not they.
Speaker A:Dean.
Speaker A:Dean is specifically Sam is not being a dick.
Speaker B:And then it ends up that his request was not to.
Speaker B:He said for his wife.
Speaker B:And we're like, oh, he just wanted to.
Speaker B:Just want to marry her.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But it ends up.
Speaker B:It was to save her because she was, like, about to die.
Speaker B:Like, days away from dying of cancer.
Speaker B:Her.
Speaker B:Which is very sweet and sad.
Speaker A:Very sweet and sad.
Speaker A:And then Dean starts putting all his issues on this man.
Speaker A:Like, he does.
Speaker A:I'm like, so this is how Dean deals with his emotions.
Speaker A:I take it out of other.
Speaker A:I will just.
Speaker A:Implants.
Speaker A:I'm going to project.
Speaker B:I'm going to project.
Speaker B:That's what he does.
Speaker B:And so basically he's like, did you do it for her?
Speaker B:Do it for yourself?
Speaker B:Would know when she.
Speaker B:Would she have approved if she knew it cost your soul?
Speaker B:Now she gets to watch you die.
Speaker B:And, like, anyways, it's just really.
Speaker B:It's really a shitty kind of scene because.
Speaker A:But he's not wrong.
Speaker B:He's not wrong.
Speaker B:But also, he is projecting his own issues with his dad's death onto this situation.
Speaker B:And I don't know that that's.
Speaker B:Well, I would.
Speaker B:I don't necessarily think that that's fair.
Speaker B:Now, are his concerns probably real things that could be that this guy's probably already dealing with emotionally?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it's kind of not fair to assume.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm gonna say, like, Dean's valid.
Speaker A:He's also a dick.
Speaker A:And at this point, like, should you be judging McJudgey?
Speaker A:Like, I'm like, yeah, all right.
Speaker A:The situation sucks.
Speaker A:He knows he fucked up.
Speaker A:All right, let's figure out how to solve your problem.
Speaker A:Like, that's Just me.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, whining time is over, Dean.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, put your big boy panties on.
Speaker A:But then we go to Dean and Sam finally being like, hey, like, I guess, elephant in the room.
Speaker A:We need to talk about this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You think dad did that, right?
Speaker A:And you're like, oh, yeah, dad totally did that.
Speaker B:Obviously, they figured it out, but.
Speaker B:So they decide that Dean's gonna go try to trap the demon at the crossroads.
Speaker B:And Sam is gonna try to keep this guy safe in the meantime.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And they've got the rest of George's hoodoo or.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Goofer dust with them.
Speaker A:So Sam makes a goofer dust circle, which I'll get back to in a second.
Speaker A:So we're gonna go back to Cross.
Speaker A:Back to the crossroads.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I feel like now Britney.
Speaker A:Britney Spears is gonna, like, pop up CrossFit.
Speaker B:I never saw that.
Speaker B:That's okay.
Speaker A:I think that's okay.
Speaker A:Actually, I have never maybe able to do that this afternoon.
Speaker A:This seems like a fun way to start my afternoon.
Speaker A:I'm gonna watch Cross Threads.
Speaker B:Why not?
Speaker B:So Dean summons the demon and his.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:I guess, like, the demon changes appearance based on who's calling it because this is a attractive brunette woman.
Speaker B:Basically, he tells the demon that he wants Evan Hudson released in exchange for himself.
Speaker B:And then that gets her to reveal and confirm to them because she.
Speaker B:They already figured out, obviously.
Speaker B:But she really confirms them that, like, it's a sacrifice that his dad made.
Speaker B:Like, like father, like son.
Speaker B:Like, gonna sacrifice yourself.
Speaker B:And so that confirms it.
Speaker B:And so he tries to get her into his car to seal the deal.
Speaker B:And she sees that there's a devil's trap drawn on there so she can hitch up and get it in.
Speaker B:And she gets mad at him.
Speaker A:And then the puppers.
Speaker A:The puppers are coming for Evan.
Speaker B:Puppers are coming.
Speaker A:And then the demon gives a super vampy villain monologue and is very reminiscent of Meg in the way she's talking.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker A:The super breathy.
Speaker A:And then your dad is suffering.
Speaker A:And I was like, bitch, just use your normal voice.
Speaker A:Stop being God.
Speaker B:Yeah, but she's basically saying that.
Speaker B:Like that Dean up by A, trying to trick her and B, picking the wrong wish because she could have brought John back and he didn't even wish for that.
Speaker B:But she'd rather just leave him in misery and let him live instead of taking him because she knows that he's punishing himself enough.
Speaker B:Which is really fucked up and dark too.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then we can vet puppies so puppies are in the vents.
Speaker B:They are in the H VAC system.
Speaker A:Obviously, I'm all step ahead.
Speaker A:And, like.
Speaker A:So the puppies are like, okay, I can't get in through the door.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Oh, I see this grid up here.
Speaker A:And then when they, like, unscrew the grid and, like, like, jump into it, and they're, like, going down the hallway like, all, like, heisty style.
Speaker B:And I'm.
Speaker B:And I'm over here.
Speaker B:Like, I just had to get a piece of ductwork replaced at my house.
Speaker B:That shit is not very cheap, but it is pretty small, so it's kind of weird, I guess they have very large duct work in their house.
Speaker A:Well, and also, you know, these puppies clearly like to chew on things, which does make me think of Kevin.
Speaker A:So Diana's dog ate a door last week.
Speaker A:So just like, oh, maybe he's a hellhound.
Speaker B:Yeah, he kind of looks like one.
Speaker A:He kind of does.
Speaker A:He does look like the best hellhound ever.
Speaker A:We get a little horn.
Speaker A:We can put little horns on Kevin.
Speaker B:So anyways.
Speaker B:But the demon offer, makes a deal.
Speaker B:Offers a deal to Dean, saying that he can.
Speaker B:That John can have a nice, long, natural life.
Speaker B:And then Dean can have 10 years, and that's it.
Speaker B:And then she gets him.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And so he acts like he's actually gonna do it.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I actually.
Speaker B:I believed it.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker B:I can see him doing this.
Speaker B:This Dean.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:But instead, his face was real sad.
Speaker A:Like, did you buy the real sad Dean face?
Speaker B:Like, I thought he looked.
Speaker B:Yeah, I thought he looked.
Speaker B:I thought he looked sad, but I thought he was gonna do it.
Speaker B:I think that's why I thought he was gonna do it.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think, you know, this.
Speaker A:To me, I'm like, oh, Dean has a sad face on.
Speaker A:Like, he's lying.
Speaker A:Like, he doesn't have sad face.
Speaker A:But anyway, so I bought it.
Speaker B:Just like me and the demon both fell for it because he traps her in another devil's trap.
Speaker A:And I'm like, how did you paint this shit?
Speaker B:I was like, did you have a.
Speaker A:Ladder and, like, did you pull baby up to it and, like, stand on the hood to paint this?
Speaker A:Like, I always wonder this.
Speaker A:Like, you know, whenever I'm, like, past, like, the really crazy graffiti, things like that are under bridges and stuff, I'm like, how did you do that?
Speaker A:How did you get there?
Speaker B:They get crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So he's still bargaining for Evan.
Speaker B:You start seeing the claw marks.
Speaker B:And back in the house where Evan And Sam are.
Speaker B:You start seeing, like, claw marks in the wood floors.
Speaker B:And that did give me flashbacks to my door frame.
Speaker B:But they're trying to stay inside the circle.
Speaker B:And Dean's really, like, still yelling at this demon, like, I'm gonna send you way down south.
Speaker B:And, like, is reading some incantation to her.
Speaker B:And we're cutting back and forth.
Speaker B:Basically, he's saying, call the hounds off.
Speaker B:Save Evan and I won't like, banish you.
Speaker B:Like, the deepest depths of hell is kind of like what he's offering to do.
Speaker A:Also, the hellhounds, the puppies are making like, wind.
Speaker A:I don't know, they're just farting a lot.
Speaker A:But I'm just like.
Speaker B:Well, I don't know.
Speaker B:That breath, some of that puppy breath can be pretty brutal too.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:It can be pretty brutal.
Speaker A:And it's blowing away the circle.
Speaker A:And then I'm like, why don't all ghosts do this?
Speaker A:Like, Jeff makes a blend.
Speaker B:They can throw things, but they can't, like, blow a circle out of the way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam and Evan have to make a run for it.
Speaker B:And then right.
Speaker B:Right at the last second, of course, like, right before the hellhounds are going to get Sam and Evan, the demon tells Dean to stop doing.
Speaker B:The chance the dog stops.
Speaker B:And the demon we cut basically to like, Damon and Dean making out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Hardcore bitch.
Speaker A:Like, she just like, it was not.
Speaker B:It was not a subtle, like, oh, let's kiss to seal the deal.
Speaker B:This was like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:One of the thing.
Speaker A:One other thing of the demon, which I think I forgot to mention.
Speaker A:But we learn also the demon knows who Gene Winchester is.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I think that is something important.
Speaker A:Like, you can tell, like, they're stepping.
Speaker A:So now we have like the roadhouse.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So these.
Speaker A:All these hunters know who Dean and Sam Winchester are.
Speaker A:And now like the general demon world or this like, demon's just known.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're known entity apparently now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so I think it's like it just in terms of them like, becoming major players and like whatever world we're creating.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I mean.
Speaker B:I mean, she obviously.
Speaker B:I mean, she knew who the dad was.
Speaker B:And then she of course her comment about he's like, what do you know about me?
Speaker B:Back when they first met.
Speaker B:And like, you're very handsome or something.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:I'm just like, eye roll with that one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyways, as she's getting about to be.
Speaker B:So the deal is now he's supposed to release the demon from the Trap.
Speaker B:And he acts like he's not going to.
Speaker B:And she's like, really?
Speaker B:You're gonna double cross me?
Speaker B:I'm a fucking demon.
Speaker B:And I was actually gonna hold up my end of the bargain.
Speaker B:What the hell?
Speaker B:But he decides to let her go at the last minute.
Speaker B:And then she goes and really makes him feel even worse.
Speaker B:Talking about how bad Dad's being tortured in hell.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which just seems like it was like.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, he.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:You're a bitch.
Speaker A:But so she flees.
Speaker A:Her body and her meat suit still alive.
Speaker A:So we had that.
Speaker A:So we find out like this wasn't actually.
Speaker A:She wasn't possessing a dead person.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I was like, oh, there's just a girl who's like, what happened?
Speaker A:Why am I here?
Speaker A:Why do I taste like Dean?
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker B:So creepy.
Speaker B:That's really.
Speaker A:Think of how many people that demon kiss.
Speaker B:There's some consent issues there anyway.
Speaker A:There are some consent issues.
Speaker A:She may want to get an STD check.
Speaker A:I'm just saying because I don't know.
Speaker A:That demon looked like she was just going to town on a lot of things.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:We get a.
Speaker B:So we cut back to the brothers driving away at this point now because the demon situation's resolved.
Speaker B:Evan didn't get killed.
Speaker B:We've got some classic blues playing a song called Key to the highway, which was recorded by both a couple different blues musicians.
Speaker B:So, like, in that era of music, in that tradition, a lot of the same songs would be recorded different ways by different artists.
Speaker B:So that version, depending on where you check, it's either Little Walter or Big Bill Bruzy.
Speaker B:So anyways, they are discussing.
Speaker B:Dean is very upset because he feels like dad shouldn't have gone out that way.
Speaker B:It's like an insult to his legacy that dad should have gone out fighting, not just with some deal with a demon.
Speaker B:He feels like it's an insult to him.
Speaker B:But Sam's like, no, he.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:You know, dad saved so many people, including us, so that we could continue his legacy.
Speaker B:I thought that was a really good way of reconciling the.
Speaker B:Because there would be a lot of like, guilt and like, issues with it.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:And obviously Sam's guilt and Dean's guilt are different.
Speaker B:I thought that was a really, really good way of him processing.
Speaker A:It's a process.
Speaker A:But also your dad is rotting hell.
Speaker A:Like, I could.
Speaker A:I would probably be in the more upset side.
Speaker A:Like, over time, I can go with the process side.
Speaker A:But I'm like, I could.
Speaker A:Like, if I had that knowledge that someone was being tortured to save me, like, it would fuck me up.
Speaker A:That survivor guilt would just be huge.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I don't think Sam really is acknowledging, like, how much.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:I'm not saying that part.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think I'm pressing.
Speaker B:I'm taking that part a little bit separate.
Speaker B:I think Dean originally is actually truly just upset that his dad made the deal at all.
Speaker B:And I think Sam's processing of that decision is pretty solid, his way of reconciling it.
Speaker B:And I know Dean doesn't agree, but I think that that part is now being tortured in hell.
Speaker B:Fraternity part is a totally different piece of the puzzle that's way darker and sadder and more difficult to process.
Speaker B:And Dean, I think, is the one.
Speaker B:One that's obviously the one holding more of that guilt.
Speaker B:I just think that Sam processing how even if it's not the decision they would have wanted their dad to make, that it doesn't.
Speaker B:It's not like.
Speaker B:It's not an insult to his legacy that he sacrificed himself in a deal where he just dropped dead when he wasn't fighting.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I think that part was a good analysis.
Speaker B:But the tortured and hell part, not so much.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's shitty.
Speaker B:That's not good.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:But that's hard to reconcile.
Speaker A:But it's also just huge survivor guilt because Dean should be dead.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so it's like, okay, I'm doing this, and now somebody is suffering, so I can live.
Speaker A:And clearly not taking advantage of it.
Speaker A:But, you know, just like, hey, maybe you should be living your best life now.
Speaker A:Dean like, saying.
Speaker A:But I think at this point, then Dean's like, I have had enough of this talk.
Speaker A:And the point is.
Speaker A:And we're going back to rock and roll.
Speaker B:She changes the music right away, like, and we're done.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Sam has had his musical education.
Speaker B:We've listened to the blues.
Speaker B:Now we can move on.
Speaker B:Yeah, There we go.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was a really good episode.
Speaker B:I really enjoyed, like, the historical flashbacks.
Speaker B:You know, that's like the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The stops that, you know, like, those musicians were playing on were a huge part of the music legacy of.
Speaker B:Especially of the south, but of the America in general.
Speaker B:And then the lore, not just our lore, but the lore around, like, the music.
Speaker B:The music that they performed and the themes of it is, like, super culturally fascinating.
Speaker B:And then also to have the mystique and the mystery and the legends around it is just so.
Speaker B:It's just super Fucking cool.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I just like songs about Satan, so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I didn't.
Speaker B:I didn't.
Speaker B:I didn't like the freaky faces of the people turning into the demon thing, and that was very upsetting to me.
Speaker B:So I didn't like that part of this episode, but I felt like it was a pretty emotionally deep episode for the.
Speaker B:For the brothers.
Speaker A:Oh, one other thing that I think besides the creepy ghost face, one other thing we didn't mention is this is the crossroad.
Speaker A:Demons have red eyes, so now we have flash.
Speaker B:Not yellow, but they're creepy red.
Speaker B:Yeah, they just have flash for a second.
Speaker A:So now we.
Speaker A:Now we have a new eye color.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So we have yellow for all yellow eyes, and then we have black for generally possessed people.
Speaker A:And now we have cross eyes.
Speaker A:Demons with red eyes.
Speaker B:Demons with red eyes.
Speaker B:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Red eyes.
Speaker B:So I think stay red.
Speaker B:And I was very relieved about that.
Speaker B:I would have been very upset.
Speaker B:They just flashed.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think this, you know, from, you know, my omniscient view of the series, like, I think this is also starting to lay some more serious lore.
Speaker B:Groundwork.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So now we have.
Speaker A:We have a new thing that's kind of.
Speaker B:So now we do Demon type or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We have a new mythology which is in here.
Speaker A:Like, you can go to a crossroads, you can sell your soul to a demon, but you do.
Speaker A:And then we'll have hellhounds that come after you.
Speaker A:Hellhounds are invisible, but they'll you up and go and fart in your vents, and they're probably just, like, less mature.
Speaker A:Just sulfur smells.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:That's why if you think about, like, dog farts and sulfur, like.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know, like, that's the whole thing.
Speaker A:Demon thing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, I mean, I love this episode.
Speaker A:I think it's a really good one because, like you said, it's just really interesting.
Speaker A:It's a good take on taking an American folklore and turning it into this.
Speaker A:So good on you guys for making this episode.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker A:All right, I think we're in that now.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So I close this shit out.
Speaker A:All right.
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