4:21 When the Levee Breaks
Sam is a monster or is he? Find out when we talk about Supernatural Season 4, Episode 21 "When the Levee Breaks?" Plus where did all these seals come from? Are we in the apocalypse? Liz tells you all about the seven seals in Revelations.
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On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we are going to talk about.
Speaker B:Celebrity Demon Detox and the apocalyptic spa waiting room.
Speaker A:What happens in Demon Sunday school, and.
Speaker B:Seven Trumpets, the apocalyptic ska band.
Speaker A:Pick it up, pick it up, pick it up.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:And I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And we're gonna talk about season four, episode 21, when the levy Breaks.
Speaker B:We're so close to the end of the season.
Speaker A:Very, very close.
Speaker A:Like, I think one plus one is two.
Speaker A:I math no.
Speaker A:Math no.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's a long time no see.
Speaker A:I know, right?
Speaker B:So last weekend before we recorded, Liz came to visit and we went to a rock and roll show.
Speaker B:We did.
Speaker A:And I'm not gonna say what venue is at, but if you look at our Instagram, you can figure it out.
Speaker A:Because basically I didn't pay to get into the show.
Speaker A:I had legitimate tickets, but I figured out how to sneak into the show.
Speaker A:Not on purpose, but I still feel like I was a rebel and like I was cool.
Speaker A:Like I was like on the list even though, like I paid for tickets and I just ended up going some weird ways and I think people just assumed that you were supposed to be there.
Speaker A:Yeah, you're supposed to be there.
Speaker B:I don't even know how that happened, but sure.
Speaker A:Well, because the wristband was for the drinking.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:Nevermind.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyway, so the rock and roll show was a lot of fun.
Speaker A:We managed to make it through the whole show like, like good grownups.
Speaker A:The fact that it started at 6:30 may have had something to do with that.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:And Saturday we had a lovely pool day.
Speaker A:Oh, oh, before we had the pool, we.
Speaker A:Diana took me to a really great restaurant.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:We went to.
Speaker B:It's called Smoke and Ash Barbecue in Arlington, Texas.
Speaker B:And it is Tex Ethiopian barbecue.
Speaker A:Which sounds to some people like immediately get it.
Speaker A:And they're like, oh, yeah, I understand this.
Speaker A:Of course, these are also people who know what Ethiopian food is, which is still not a lot.
Speaker A:I. I would say like, you know, my friends know that, but my friends are urban, you know.
Speaker A:But yeah, if I went to.
Speaker A:My mom and dad were like, have you had Ethiopian food?
Speaker A:They would just make it inevitable.
Speaker A:Joke.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:See, my parents will be like, no, but we would love to try this barbecue place.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's the response I got.
Speaker B:So, I mean.
Speaker B:But yeah, I get it.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:I am not an Ethiopian food connoisseur.
Speaker B:I'd heard great things and it's something I've been wanting to try.
Speaker B:This is a great way to try it.
Speaker B:And I've been there a couple times now, and it's awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think it was family owned fun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And for someone who I am not a connoisseur, but I've had it multiple times and.
Speaker A:But typically I have a favorite restaurant in D.C. that I go to over and over again.
Speaker A:But this I thought was a really smart fusion.
Speaker A:Just the spices and everything went well together and it was just Southern and like, just.
Speaker A:It just made sense and the.
Speaker A:Made sense and it was delicious.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:And pool time.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Finally.
Speaker A:Oh, it was such a great pool day.
Speaker A:The weather was perfect.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Seltzers in hand.
Speaker B:Float well.
Speaker B:Pina coladas first.
Speaker B:Thanks, Hiram.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then lots of seltzers and floating.
Speaker B:Like you do.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Like you do.
Speaker A:And then like somebody had thought we were going to go out on Saturday night.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:I knew damn well we were not going out Saturday night because day drinking.
Speaker B:And like, not even like, if you're drinking heavy, just like drinking in the sun, there's no going out that night.
Speaker B:You just can't.
Speaker A:Well, and also we went out on Friday night, so if I went out on one night, I'm not going out the other night.
Speaker A:Especially if I spent all day in the pool.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker A:And we had to get up very early and even then driving home, like, I left very early because I had to go to circus school and it's.
Speaker A:I was having trouble staying awake and I was like, oh, I'm gonna kill my best friend.
Speaker B:No crashing.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was very scary.
Speaker A:And then we got.
Speaker A:Got dropped him off at his house and I was like, you don't know this, but you almost died a lot.
Speaker B:I said, sorry.
Speaker B:I assume he was sleeping.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, we were both like, we were listening to podcasts and kind of laughing like he.
Speaker A:But he sleeps anywhere.
Speaker A:Like, I envy the people who can sleep.
Speaker A:I envy you.
Speaker A:No, it was a great weekend.
Speaker A:And then the fourth came, and I used that day to finish my rewatch of Law and Order svu.
Speaker A:Olivia Benson.
Speaker A:Savannah Stitch in the world.
Speaker A:And I think I see as a national treasure.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We celebrated some birthdays in the family.
Speaker B:Babe's birthday was last week, so we had a delayed family celebration and my sister's birthday, so we went and had Niwa.
Speaker A:And what did you see when you got the niwa?
Speaker A:What Car was in the street.
Speaker B:This car drove down the street.
Speaker B:It was a Mercedes that was almost fully bedazzled with red rhinestones.
Speaker B:And it was awful and spectacular all at once.
Speaker A:So was it a wrap or did somebody individually bedazzle?
Speaker B:This was literally rhinestones on this car.
Speaker A:Do you think as it drives down the street it just like flings its rhinestones in its wake?
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker B:She was very proud of herself, the driver, and good for her.
Speaker B:You go, girl.
Speaker B:Do it.
Speaker A:She should be.
Speaker B:Do you.
Speaker B:That's a lot of rhinestones.
Speaker B:It was pretty impressive.
Speaker A:Someone took a bunch of addies.
Speaker B:It's not for anybody, everybody, that's for damn sure.
Speaker B:But how?
Speaker A:How?
Speaker B:Yeah, it was special.
Speaker B:Yeah, we had an awesome time doing that and very chill.
Speaker B:Fourth and there we go.
Speaker A:Now we're here to summer and we're going to talk about the next to last episode when the Levy breaks.
Speaker A: So this song title is a: Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, we get that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:Sounds too far off.
Speaker A:This was directed by Robert Singer and Sarah Gamble.
Speaker A:And I think we know enough about those two of our favorites.
Speaker A:So we're just going to jump right into this episode where Sam is in.
Speaker B:My favorite bunker, Bobby's bunker.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he really wants Dean to let him out.
Speaker B:But Dean's like, nope, not until you dry out.
Speaker B:So we've got a full.
Speaker A:Like, what he's talking to.
Speaker A:It's not a peephole.
Speaker A:Like, what would you call what they're talking through?
Speaker B:Prison slider.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Does that have a name?
Speaker A:It was like, what the is that thing?
Speaker B:I mean, I know I've seen it like in movies and shit, right?
Speaker A:Like in a speakeasy.
Speaker A:You open it.
Speaker A:But, I mean, I guess it's a But it's not a whole.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:Questions will never learn.
Speaker A:The universe will never tell us what that is called.
Speaker A:Anyways, go on.
Speaker B:So basically he's there.
Speaker B:You know, Dean is basically calling Sam out for being a junkie for demon blood and saying you need to dry out.
Speaker B:So this is his version of an intervention.
Speaker A:And it's not wrong.
Speaker A:I mean, a lot of things here doing are very much the affectations of somebody who is going through withdrawal.
Speaker A:You know, he's.
Speaker A:He's trained.
Speaker A:He is trained spotting in this bunker.
Speaker A:I am waiting for a baby to crawl across.
Speaker A:Across the ceiling.
Speaker A:And you know, like.
Speaker A:And Dean's just like now.
Speaker A:And like, you're out.
Speaker A:You're out.
Speaker A:You're in here.
Speaker B:Sam's like, oh, but it's just so I can be strong enough to kill Lilith.
Speaker B:It's not because I want to.
Speaker B:He's like, no.
Speaker B:But Dean's like, no, Me and Bobby are gonna kill Lilith.
Speaker B:You're gonna be the benchwarmer.
Speaker B:You get the benchwarmer seat to the apocalypse.
Speaker B:Which I thought was a clever line.
Speaker B:So Sam starts like, really showing these withdrawal symptoms.
Speaker B:Like the shiver.
Speaker B:Like the cliche ones.
Speaker B:Like physical withdrawal of the shivering.
Speaker B:Kind of stumbling around and.
Speaker B:But then sad.
Speaker B:Suddenly he can see his breath and the lights flicker.
Speaker B:And we all know that these are.
Speaker A:That means ghosts.
Speaker B:Some shit's going down.
Speaker A:Ghost.
Speaker B:And who appears?
Speaker B:Alistair.
Speaker A:But is it real Alistair?
Speaker B:I'm just saying he appears.
Speaker A:He appears, okay.
Speaker A:And somehow, you know, now Sam is on a table and he's got the weird anti cock smoke mask on.
Speaker A:And that thing is just very upsetting.
Speaker A:I do not know why it is so upsetting, but it is very upset.
Speaker B:It doesn't seem very effective because he's very able to move his jaw.
Speaker B:It's just like covering his chin.
Speaker B:Like, it's just.
Speaker A:I think maybe they made it for Genevieve.
Speaker A:And then they fit on her mouth.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And then like his.
Speaker B:His.
Speaker B:His big moose head didn't fit it as well.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And like, so they're just like, we can't make another one of these anti.
Speaker A:You know how long it took us to make this anti cock smoke mask?
Speaker A:It took a leather maker, like two years.
Speaker A:Like, crafting it.
Speaker B:Like, you're not buying another custom leather cock smoke mask.
Speaker B:That's all there is to it.
Speaker B:Is not.
Speaker A:You just put this on Jared politics face and you deal with it.
Speaker B:All right, so he's getting cut up while he's strapped down by Alistair with a scalpel.
Speaker A:And his shoes are also off.
Speaker A:Like, I love, like in his head.
Speaker A:Like he also, like he's now barefoot.
Speaker B:And his bleeding from the abdomen is the implication.
Speaker B:But you don't really see it.
Speaker B:You see the blood on Alistair's hands and then.
Speaker B:And Alistair's being very cold about it.
Speaker B:But then we realize that none of this is happening at all.
Speaker B:Sam's just laying on the bed with his arms held out as if he's being tied down, yelling into nothing.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And we get a pan and like we see it's just like this cot and a bucket.
Speaker A:And thankfully the bucket's empty because I think the bucket's there for him to poop it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You didn't want to see, like, a little turd sitting in there.
Speaker B:Like, Sam already.
Speaker B:He already had a withdrawal turd sitting there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Unfortunately, the bunker doesn't have a bathroom.
Speaker A:What were you thinking?
Speaker A:Bobby put a bathroom in there?
Speaker A:Or I guess I just think he's gonna, you know, vomit or whatever.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But now we're gonna go to Dean and Bobby drinking whiskey.
Speaker A:Because, of course they are well.
Speaker B:And they're listening to what's going on.
Speaker B:I think I'd want a cocktail, too, if that was happening.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Pleasant.
Speaker B:Listening to Sam scream excruciatingly.
Speaker B:And Dean asked how long it's gonna take.
Speaker B:And Bobby's quip was, let me look it up in my demon manual.
Speaker B:Which is funny, too.
Speaker A:And then I was like, what.
Speaker A:What was that horrible Dr. Drew show that Was it Celebrity Detox?
Speaker A:I think so now I'm, like, just picturing that with, like, demon detox.
Speaker B:But basically, it comes about that they don't know.
Speaker B:Bobby has no idea how long it's going to take or if Sam will even live through it.
Speaker B:And Dean definitely doesn't like that response.
Speaker B:And then Bobby's phone rings, and it's Rufus.
Speaker B:Bobby tells him to suck dirt and die.
Speaker A:These are the friends that you love.
Speaker A:You love like.
Speaker A:Like someday you just be really mad at somebody, and then they'll call you and be like, just suck dirt and die.
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker A:And call me back and I'm gonna kill you.
Speaker A:And you're like, I'm just gonna call you back.
Speaker A:I have something to say.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'll call you back anyways.
Speaker B:You don't mean it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so he does call again.
Speaker B:And then we cut back to Sam.
Speaker B:And now he realizes that he wasn't disemboweled by Alistair because it was all a hallucination.
Speaker B:But now he gets a creepier hallucination in its place of himself as a child trying to reaffirm all of his stuff.
Speaker B:So basically, he's just going through this.
Speaker B:Is these.
Speaker B:This hallucination is Sam questioning everything he's done.
Speaker B:Basically.
Speaker B:It's not the psychological mind trip for Sam right now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's just like, oh, I'm guilty.
Speaker A:Like, Jessica's death is my fault because if I had left, then she wouldn't have died because, blah, blah, blah, we're never gonna be normal.
Speaker A:And, like, he's so fixated.
Speaker A:And we'll see this throughout this episode, in the next episode.
Speaker A:And for the longest time that he was so concerned about being normal.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And, you know, being normal is highly overrated anyhow.
Speaker A:But Then, yeah, the little boy's eyes flash.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's got yellow eyes.
Speaker A:And so it's just like, I'm full of Azazel and I am Aziza.
Speaker A:But no Sam, no.
Speaker B:So we get back to Bobby and Dean and basically Bobby's sharing what the info he got from Rufus.
Speaker B:There's been all these incidents in these three different places that are basically breaking seals.
Speaker B:It's, you know, Key West, Alaska, New York.
Speaker B:And he's like, where the fuck are your angel friends?
Speaker B:Because this is a problem, right?
Speaker A:And so really, like these are all signs of the apocalypse.
Speaker A:And I realize that we have never actually talked about some of the actual signs of the apocalypse.
Speaker A:So we're going to have some more.
Speaker A:And we are going to talk about the seven seals.
Speaker A:So now we have seven seals just lying around.
Speaker A:All right, so these that I'm going to talk about are those that are according to the King James version of the New Testament in Revelations.
Speaker A:And so obviously many different cultures have apocalypse in their mythology.
Speaker A:And they're all sources signs around the world, right?
Speaker A:So, and even within the Judeo Christian world, like they're all different things that can be, as we all know, like as we've seen so many like doomsday cults and everything.
Speaker A:Like a lot of thing can mean the apocalypse is nigh, right?
Speaker A:So but these are just me, the ones that are in that version of Revelations.
Speaker A:And so that one is believed to have been written by some guy named John.
Speaker A:Could have been an apostle, he could have been just some dude named John.
Speaker A:Like nobody.
Speaker A:Like there's all sorts of people who took credit for this book.
Speaker A:And then, you know, just, I want, you know, for everyone to appreciate how clear and direct this book was about, about what was going to happen.
Speaker A:So we could all, you know, if you believe in that religion, you can base all your plans on it because it's so clear and straightforward.
Speaker A:So there's typically, you know, seven signs associated with that.
Speaker A:The first one is the arrival of the Antichrist, right?
Speaker A:And so what's the Antichrist?
Speaker A:Well, that is the person who's going to lead the world astray.
Speaker A:And those who follow him will be trapped in a cycle of suffering.
Speaker A:And so this is how you know, because it says, and I saw when the land opened, one of the seals.
Speaker A:Gross, leave that seal alone.
Speaker A:And I heard, as it were, the noise of thunder.
Speaker A:What are the four pieces saying?
Speaker A:Come and see.
Speaker A:So I'm like, four beasts.
Speaker A:That sounds like four dogs are like hanging out and they're like.
Speaker A:So now I'm just picturing like one of your dogs, like in Kevin's just like, come and see.
Speaker A:And I'm like, okay, Kevin, what do you have to show me?
Speaker A:So Kevin is saying, and I saw and behold a white horse.
Speaker A:And he that sat on him had a bow and a crown was given unto him, and he went forth conquering.
Speaker A:And conquer.
Speaker A:Okay, so Kevin has now said that there's a horse and there's a guy on the horse, he's got a bow, somebody gives him a crown, and then he goes forth conquering.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Clear as mud.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:You totally know what's happening.
Speaker A:A lot of people have said, like, oh, that's Rome.
Speaker A:And so Nero, it was the emperor that was going out, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:But I don't know, has that happened?
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:So the second one is typically thought to be war.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And this one says, and when he had opened the second seal.
Speaker A:And they don't even say, like what, like how you open the seal.
Speaker A:Like he just.
Speaker B:They're not instructions.
Speaker A:There's not instructions, not what the seal is or how it just.
Speaker A:It's opened.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so the second beast.
Speaker A:So I think that's Faith.
Speaker A:So now.
Speaker A:And we should post like all of her.
Speaker B:These.
Speaker A:Their pictures on there with.
Speaker A:With these on there.
Speaker A:So the second beat is fai.
Speaker A:And she has her little rhinestone pink collar on.
Speaker A:And she says, come and see.
Speaker A:And so we're like, okay, Faith, let's.
Speaker A:What do you have to see?
Speaker A:And she's like, there's another horse.
Speaker A:And that was Ray.
Speaker A:And power was given to him that sat there on to take peace from the earth and that they should kill one another.
Speaker A:And there was given unto him a great sword.
Speaker A:So reading into that.
Speaker A:Yeah, like there's going to be a war and there's going to be stuff.
Speaker A:But what I hear is.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So what I hear is there's a man, he's going to ride a great big red horse.
Speaker A:So I really want to see a big red horse.
Speaker A:Like Clifford the Dog, but like a horse.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And he was going to take peace from the earth.
Speaker A:I think that was just a misfront, maybe his peace.
Speaker A:And he just wanted some snap peace.
Speaker A:And he got a great sword.
Speaker A:So he got a pretty cool sword.
Speaker A:I mean, who doesn't want a cool sw. Like, we all want cool swords, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, all right, so the third one is typically thought to be famine, and that's caused in conjunction with the war.
Speaker A:With the war.
Speaker A:And so when he opened the third seal, I heard the third Beast say, so that's clearly Ash.
Speaker A:So Ash is the old man dog.
Speaker A:And he's just kind of struggling along, and he's like, see?
Speaker A:And so I was like, what?
Speaker A:What should I see, Ash?
Speaker A:What should I be looking at?
Speaker A:And he was like, lo, a black horse.
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh, a black horse, we say.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:So we sat on him, had a pair of balances in his hand, and I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, a measure of wheat for a denarius and three measures of barley for a denarius.
Speaker A:And see thou hurts not the oil and wine.
Speaker A:Which apparently means he's gonna ride a black horse.
Speaker A:Okay, I got that.
Speaker A:I'm there with you.
Speaker A:He's gonna have a balance.
Speaker A:He's gonna have a scale.
Speaker A:Yeah, cool.
Speaker A:So with you, he's gonna buy some wheat and barley for Daenerys, which are Roman coins, right?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Don't hurt the oil and wine, because that's for the horsemen.
Speaker A:And now people are starving.
Speaker B:Hmm.
Speaker B:All the wheat and barley.
Speaker A:Maybe that was it.
Speaker A:Maybe like, one.
Speaker A:Like one thing is, like, one silver coin.
Speaker A:It was just like, that's all the wheat.
Speaker A:You can't get no more.
Speaker A:No more.
Speaker A:And you can't.
Speaker A:Any more barley.
Speaker A:Because we all know how much we all love barley.
Speaker A:That is my favorite of the whole grains.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Nobody likes barley.
Speaker A:I mean, it's fine.
Speaker A:I mean, I like it in my.
Speaker A:I like barley in my stew.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I also hate that it's really hard to find actual barley.
Speaker A:So any of those grains that are great, like barley or farro, you can't always get them at the HEB in Dripping Springs.
Speaker A:And I'm assuming the Tom Thumb in Dallas is probably also not carrying a bunch of farro.
Speaker B:Not the popular grain purchase, Oak Cliff.
Speaker B:Just saying.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So I'm on the last slide.
Speaker A:I was bitching because I had quinoa and I really wanted couscous, but I'm like, who am I?
Speaker A:So, all right, the next one is plague.
Speaker A:I think we've all experienced our plague, but.
Speaker A:So we get the fourth seal.
Speaker A:Now we're out of dogs.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Yeah, so that's gonna be the cat.
Speaker A:So the fourth seal is my cat, Anya.
Speaker A:So she's like, come and see.
Speaker A:And then she scratches you for no reason, but, you know.
Speaker A:And she is like, yeah, that sounds like her, right?
Speaker A:And she knocks something off a shelf, just like, yeah, whatever.
Speaker A:And so this is.
Speaker A:She says.
Speaker A:She says, come and see.
Speaker A:And she's like, behold, a pale horse.
Speaker A:And so we Got a very gothy horse, right?
Speaker A:He's pale.
Speaker A:He's very pale.
Speaker A:And his name that sat on him was Death.
Speaker A:And hell followed with him.
Speaker A:And power was giving unto them, unto the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword and with hunger and with death and with the beasts of the earth.
Speaker A:All right, so we got Death on here, and he's riding a pale horse, which we all know is badass, right?
Speaker A:Because Death on a Pale Horse has been the COVID of probably 75% of the best metal albums of all time.
Speaker A:Like, I'm sure they're somewhere.
Speaker A:This image is on there.
Speaker B:But to be on my side note is one of my favorite book series of all times by Piers Anthony.
Speaker B:And the first book in the series is called On a Pale Horse.
Speaker B:So I always think of that when we talk about the apocalypse now, that we always talk about the apocalypse, but, you know, in general, like, apocalyptic talk.
Speaker B:If we talk about Death on a pale horse, I'm like, oh, I love that book.
Speaker B:So there you go.
Speaker A:What's sad is that we often talk about the apocalypse, and we will be talking about it a lot more.
Speaker A:And not just in terms of supernatural, perhaps in terms of the world.
Speaker A:I think I've said the world word apocalypse more in the past five years than.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Anyways, and we'll get into someday, like, all the times that people thought we've had an apocalypse and all the people who tried to cause an apocalypse, but there's so many of them.
Speaker A:All right, so we've got Death on his, riding his pale horse, ringing hail like a badass.
Speaker A:But he's also bringing judgment, because that's the next one, Judgment, which is just like.
Speaker A:That's my new death metal band.
Speaker A:I hope you enjoy them.
Speaker A:I'm pretty sure that is already the name of a death metal band.
Speaker B:I mean, it's not.
Speaker A:I'm very.
Speaker A:I really hope it's like some, like, pop band from Sweden.
Speaker A:Judgment.
Speaker A:Anyway, so now they're going to open a fifth sale.
Speaker A:I'm like, fuck, we're out of pets.
Speaker A:So now I'm just, you know, stealing things.
Speaker A:So I've.
Speaker A:I've stolen that small dog from next door.
Speaker A:Sorry, dog, you bark a lot.
Speaker A:You're not that.
Speaker A:You're not that cute.
Speaker A:So, all right, so I.
Speaker A:He opens the fifth seal, and under the altar, the souls of them.
Speaker A:Oh, wait, but that's not a beast.
Speaker A:That's just a seal.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:So sorry, dog.
Speaker A:You're fine.
Speaker A:You're fine.
Speaker A:You can live.
Speaker A:All right, so he opens the fifth.
Speaker A:He opens the fifth seal.
Speaker A:And I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God over the testimony for which they held.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:Someone in a loud voice says, how long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our bl.
Speaker A:Blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Speaker A:And white robes were given unto every one of them.
Speaker A:And it was said unto them that they should rest yet for a little season until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that they should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Speaker A:All right, so basically, everyone who is a martyr and you died, now you have to wait for all the other martyrs to die before you can do anything.
Speaker A:And you have to put on this white rope.
Speaker B:So it's like the waiting room at the spa.
Speaker B:Like, you don't actually get to chill out yet.
Speaker B:You gotta wait to chill out.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I guess, probably, like, Diana had solved revelations.
Speaker A:All right, we are done.
Speaker A:Like, apocalypse is over.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So you're in a white robe.
Speaker B:I can't really relax yet because I'm in this white robe.
Speaker B:It's uncomfortable, and I gotta wait.
Speaker A:And it's gonna keep opening.
Speaker A:It doesn't fit me that well.
Speaker A:Like, it's going over my hands.
Speaker A:I didn't bring my cell phone.
Speaker A:Why didn't I bring my cell phone?
Speaker A:They told me to leave it.
Speaker A:They didn't tell me that I'd be sitting 30min.
Speaker A:Magazine.
Speaker A: That's from, like,: Speaker A:And I'm like, what?
Speaker A:I don't want to read this magazine.
Speaker A:Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker B:You're welcome.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:And okay, we got.
Speaker A:We got two more signs left.
Speaker A:Those five, six is chaos.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:We all love chaos.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:Things are gonna go boom.
Speaker A:That's chaos.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker A:Oh, no, no.
Speaker A:There was one line in here.
Speaker A:The sun became black as sackcloth of hair.
Speaker A:Why do you have a sackcloth of hair?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Is that, like, black hole sun?
Speaker A:Fair, Fair.
Speaker A:And the moon does become as blood.
Speaker A:So that is much like my moon tent time, you know, which is finally almost over after.
Speaker A:But anyways, yeah, a sackcloth of hair.
Speaker A:Like, that's just such a weird thing.
Speaker B:Like, don't have one.
Speaker A:Like, why.
Speaker A:Why would anybody have that?
Speaker A:Like, even if you're, like, a wig maker.
Speaker A:That's weird.
Speaker A:It's just weird.
Speaker A:Don't.
Speaker A:No, don't have that.
Speaker A:All right, and the last one.
Speaker A:Ah, Silence or rebirth.
Speaker A:So this is great.
Speaker A:So when he had opened the seventh seal, There was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
Speaker A:And I saw the seven angels which stood before God and to them were given seven trumpets.
Speaker A:And another angel came and stood at the altar having a golden censer.
Speaker A:And there was given unto him much incense that he should offer with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:God comes, does things, then goes and judges people.
Speaker A:But so really what I get out of the last part is there's going to be a ska band.
Speaker A:So the world is ending and we're going to get.
Speaker A:It's going to be quiet for like 30 minutes and then they're like.
Speaker B:And we're gonna pick it up, pick it up, pick it up, pick it.
Speaker A:Up, pick it up, pick it up.
Speaker A:And that is when God starts judging everybody and zapping them to the tune of like a SCA bit.
Speaker A:Because everybody likes sca.
Speaker B:I mean, how can you be sad and listen to ska?
Speaker B:Makes you happy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So even as your world is going, you're just gonna be skanking away.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So those are the actual seven seals in signs of the apocalypse.
Speaker B:All right, all right.
Speaker A:So any of those things happen?
Speaker A:If you hear a ska band run.
Speaker A:Just run from all the ska bands.
Speaker B:End of the world.
Speaker A:End of the world.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:All right, so back into supernatural land.
Speaker A:All of the seals are breaking fast.
Speaker A:But where are the angels?
Speaker B:And they don't know.
Speaker B:So Bobby's decided though, that he is fucking over this experiment with Dean trying to detox Sam.
Speaker B:He's like, look, look, we.
Speaker B:We need to go solve this shit.
Speaker B:The world's gonna fucking end.
Speaker B:You and your brother's pissing contest or whatever this is, it needs to fucking stop.
Speaker B:This is domestic drama.
Speaker B:Let's.
Speaker B:Let's just let.
Speaker B:Maybe he needs to be on the battlefield even if he's high.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's kind of where he got to.
Speaker B:That's pretty much what.
Speaker B:Where Bobby gets to on it.
Speaker B:I mean, he's like, look, he can kill demons and it doesn't matter if he's high.
Speaker B:Let him kill demons with us, otherwise we're all gonna die.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker A:We're gonna start to see if, like, I don't think Bobby.
Speaker A:Bobby just wants to let Sam out.
Speaker A:He's just like, all the reasons he.
Speaker B:He can't.
Speaker B:He's not into having Sam like locked up for sure.
Speaker A:But we're gonna cut to Sam and he is just like cross legging and he is so far from the ice Water.
Speaker A:And I get it, Sam.
Speaker A:I have had this moment where I've been on my couch, and I'm, like, not gonna tell you why, but I have, like.
Speaker A:Like, I am so thirsty.
Speaker A:Like, my mouth is really dry.
Speaker A:Like, it's full of cotton.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I need some water.
Speaker A:And it is so glistening.
Speaker B:And the glass sweats from the ice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's a pretty special moment.
Speaker B:But then, guess what's our new hallucination?
Speaker B:Welcome, Mom.
Speaker A:And I do love the attention to detail where they just have, like, the burn mark in the middle of her.
Speaker B:Belly and, like, bloody burn mark in her belly and her nightgown, but everything else is fine.
Speaker A:This one hole in the stomach.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she tells Sam that he looks awful, which is a great way to start.
Speaker B:And he's like, I know you're disappointed in me.
Speaker B:No, I screwed up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she's like, no, you did the right thing.
Speaker B:You're brave.
Speaker B:You're being practical.
Speaker B:You come from a line of hunters.
Speaker B:This is what.
Speaker B:What we do.
Speaker B:Dean just doesn't understand, oh, let me.
Speaker A:Stroke your narcissistic ego.
Speaker A:And so basically, it's just him, like, telling himself, you're right.
Speaker A:None like.
Speaker A:Which is actually in an addict mind.
Speaker A:I'm like, yeah, yeah, I can get that.
Speaker A:We're like, no, you totally need to go do this.
Speaker A:Like, no, no, no.
Speaker A:You were.
Speaker A:You're completely right.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker B:And I thought one of the interesting things that she commented, she's like, look, yeah, family's curse, but you can turn it into a gift.
Speaker B:And it's not about revenge.
Speaker B:It's about justice.
Speaker B:I thought those were.
Speaker B:Because that turns into different things.
Speaker B:Because revenge can sound petty and people can talk you out of revenge, but justice is a different thing.
Speaker B:And if he feels like he's meeting out justice, then that's a whole other.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he not.
Speaker A:Is not justice.
Speaker A:And, like, I think Dean's gonna, you know, bring that up later, but.
Speaker A:And she says, you.
Speaker A:To make my death mean something.
Speaker A:And I'm like, wait, like, this is how.
Speaker A:What the fuck does this have to do?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:And in the end, like, I think once we get to the end of the season, you can kind of.
Speaker A:I could pull that logic in, but for what Sam knows now, no, this is not.
Speaker A:This is not logic.
Speaker A:This is just.
Speaker A:Just my excuse.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker B:It's just justifying what he thinks.
Speaker B:He's the path he's already chosen, basically.
Speaker B:And so basically, she's just like, yeah, you got to go kill Lilith without Dean, you're It's.
Speaker B:It's up to you.
Speaker B:And don't let anyone get in your way.
Speaker B:Even Dean, which is really like, you know, this is not.
Speaker B:She wouldn't have said that.
Speaker B:I don't think the little I know of her character so far.
Speaker B:So there we go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:Nobody would say that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we cut back to Dean.
Speaker B:And he is out standing amongst the.
Speaker B:The cars that are Bobby's property.
Speaker B:And Castiel shows up.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, hey, so what the fuck were you going to tell me in Illinois?
Speaker B:Cass is like, it's not important.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:Dean's like, look, can Sam kill Lilith and stop the apocalypse?
Speaker B:And Cassio's like, yes, but.
Speaker B:And then kind of goes on to explain that.
Speaker B:Look at the amount of demon blood that Sam's consumed.
Speaker B:He's going to change forever if he consumes enough to kill Lilith.
Speaker A:Yeah, basically.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:And this.
Speaker A:It goes in the hole.
Speaker A:I hate this idea.
Speaker A:But it's like, if he consumes that much, he won't.
Speaker A:Like, he won't be human anymore.
Speaker A:We'll have that much demon blood in him that he will be a demon.
Speaker A:Does that happen?
Speaker A:I guess.
Speaker A:Spoiler alert.
Speaker A:We don't know yet.
Speaker A:Like, I hate this.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Anyways, but this is also sarcastic me.
Speaker A:Like, you were the chosen one.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:We believe you can do it.
Speaker B:You need to accept your role.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, well, but if I.
Speaker B:So if I do it, Sam doesn't have to, though, is the whole thing.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:Because that's Dean's motivation, is he's so worried about.
Speaker B:Well,.
Speaker A:One of them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's a lot of murder.
Speaker A:There's a lot of martyrdom happening on both sides.
Speaker B:I think part of it is that Dean is concerned about Sam harming himself with the demon blood too.
Speaker B:Do this.
Speaker A:I mean, that's big brother shit, right?
Speaker A:It's like, hey, I can do this.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He'll be safe.
Speaker B:I will.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so Cassie.
Speaker B:Cassiel is like, yeah, okay, well, if you're going to do it, you need to give yourself holy to the service of God and his angels and swear to follow his will and word.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So this is a whole bunch of weird shit that nobody should ever say yes to.
Speaker A:Like, I don't care if somebody tells you that you're going to save the world or any.
Speaker A:If anybody says for you to swear to follow anybody's will, like, your first response should be no, go fuck yourself.
Speaker B:Like, there's no there is not any fine print for him to read here, which is concerning.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's pretty.
Speaker A:I, I pretty much.
Speaker A:Like we know like from all sci fi movies, all fantasy movies, fairy tales, whatever.
Speaker A:Like, you know, it will get twisted.
Speaker B:We'll get fucked.
Speaker A:There's always a catch.
Speaker A:There's always a catch.
Speaker A:Don't say no.
Speaker A:But also like as somebody who just fucking hates authority.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Dean does.
Speaker B:Dean agrees and Castiel's like, okay, cool.
Speaker B:Wait, we'll call you.
Speaker B:Bye.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:The other thing that was interesting in there was when Cass asked him to swear his fealty oath.
Speaker A:Fealty.
Speaker A:Fealty.
Speaker B:Fealty.
Speaker B:Yeah, fealty.
Speaker A:He says, will you obey as swiftly and obediently as you did your own fathers?
Speaker A:And that's like, also like, you were a bitch to your dad.
Speaker A:Will you be another bitch to us?
Speaker A:Like who?
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:I don't like that, but I get it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam's still in the bunker with his now has a small selection of magazines including the Weekly Woodsman and the Gun Collector.
Speaker A:He was bored, right?
Speaker A:He was just like, I can't even fill my bucket.
Speaker B:Can't fill my bucket.
Speaker B:Apparently Weekly Woodsman has a really huge publishing budget because they're publishing this full color glossy magazine every week.
Speaker A:The subscriptions like $125 a year.
Speaker A:And it's like Nick Offerman and like two other people, like just fund it.
Speaker A:Actually, Nick Offerman does make it like it is his.
Speaker A:He's been publishing this.
Speaker B:And all of a sudden Sam's veins start turning black and he's screaming for help again.
Speaker A:He getting alviny so many.
Speaker B:So then we go back to Bobby, who is is totally mocking Dean for having agreed to Castiel's offer.
Speaker B:He's like, you willingly signed up to be the angels.
Speaker B:Dean didn't like that.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, yeah, I don't trust them.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're like shady politicians from planet Vulcan.
Speaker B:Another funny line.
Speaker B:There's a couple good lines in this one.
Speaker B:So anyways, he thinks Dean's like, it's my only option to protect him.
Speaker B:But then all of a sudden they realize that it's real quiet down in the bunker.
Speaker B:They can't hear yell, quiet.
Speaker B:It's kind of like with toddlers.
Speaker B:That's awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's like, it's like you're like, we're dogs too.
Speaker A:Like, dogs get to like, you know when your dog is sleeping, but when they like have been really loud and they get too quiet.
Speaker B:You're like, wait, something's wrong.
Speaker A:What are you doing?
Speaker B:What are you burning down?
Speaker A:You're burning something down?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they run to the bunker, and he's, like, crawling on the floor.
Speaker B:Like, oh, man, he's real up.
Speaker B:But then all of a sudden, he's getting, like, thrown against the walls by nothing.
Speaker B:That's pretty key.
Speaker A:So I don't get it.
Speaker A:I don't get it.
Speaker A:How does the demon blood throw him?
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker A:I don't understand this.
Speaker B:I don't either.
Speaker B:It doesn't really make sense.
Speaker B:But they decide they need to tie him time down to the cot now.
Speaker B:For his own safety.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And Dean's like.
Speaker B:Doesn't like it.
Speaker B:You can tell.
Speaker B:He kind of resists about this, but he does it anyways.
Speaker B:Him and Bobby do, but they are rude because even in Sam's hallucinations, he wasn't wearing shoes anymore.
Speaker B:But they tie him up with his boots and his watch on.
Speaker A:How comfortable.
Speaker B:Like, time off.
Speaker B:And take those off.
Speaker B:Like, this seems really rude.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's not good.
Speaker B:And Dean's just real sad.
Speaker B:He's like, why?
Speaker B:Why would you do this to yourself?
Speaker B:And Sam's like, wait, is that illusion, Dean, or.
Speaker A:Okay, okay, you're right.
Speaker A:Okay, go on.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Didn't mean to spoil it.
Speaker A:I was confused because this was confusing.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, yeah, obviously, I'm doing it for Lilith, but revenge, too.
Speaker B:Damn's like, Sam's like, yeah, that's why Dean's like, I want to know the real reason.
Speaker B:You know, stopping the apocalypse supposed to be my job.
Speaker B:The angels told me so.
Speaker B:But this is all another hallucination of Sam's.
Speaker A:It's an illusion.
Speaker A:But, I mean, this illusion.
Speaker A:Dean actually has a really good point because he is like, why are you doing this?
Speaker A:Revenge.
Speaker A:Like, I'm back from hell.
Speaker A:Like, what are you avenging?
Speaker B:Yeah, you started.
Speaker B:And now I'm back, so it's fine.
Speaker B:Like, come on, let's go do other things.
Speaker A:But I can't believe, like, because obviously this is, I guess, a rash part of Sam's brain that's talking with other parts of Sam's brain.
Speaker A:And so, like, there.
Speaker A:I guess this is like, the rational side being like, hey, you don't have anything to do this for.
Speaker A:And the other part is just his addiction, I guess.
Speaker A:So anyways, real Dean's upstairs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Bobby's like, dean, are you sure we're doing the right thing here?
Speaker B:Maybe, you know, maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe we shouldn't Be like, trying to detox Sam against his will.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, yeah, we got to get rid of the freaking.
Speaker B:The demon blood is what's killing him.
Speaker B:And Bobby's like, no, I think we're killing him by keeping him tied up down there.
Speaker B:I think this is going poorly.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And he's not going to last a lot longer unless we cook him up with some.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That sweet, sweet demon juice.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I don't like this part of Dean.
Speaker B:Dean's like, look that way.
Speaker B:You know, if that's.
Speaker B:If that's what it is.
Speaker B:If he dies, at least he dies human.
Speaker B:And that's Dean's attitude about it.
Speaker A:I don't like it well, but I'm.
Speaker B:Also trying to keep.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't love it either, but I kind of get it.
Speaker B:And I kind of see, because Dean has been to hell with demons.
Speaker B:And so he doesn't want his brother to become one of those, especially when their whole thing has been that his brother doesn't want to be a monster.
Speaker B:He doesn't want to be weird.
Speaker B:He doesn't want to be all those things.
Speaker B:And obviously.
Speaker B:But also, Dean's mission in life is to kill monsters and bad things.
Speaker A:I think it would if it was.
Speaker A:I don't want you to suffer in hell.
Speaker A:That followed.
Speaker A:I don't want you to be a monster because I kill monsters.
Speaker A:That's just monstrous racist.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:We have to forget about the term for it.
Speaker A:Monstrous something.
Speaker A:Yeah, but it's not.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's rude.
Speaker A:You're just being rude.
Speaker A:But I don't like it.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But then we're going to go downstairs and fake Dean is now calling him a monster and then tells him that you just want to suck down more evil.
Speaker A:And I'm like, yes, yes, I do want to suck down more evil.
Speaker A:That is also the name of my next metal album.
Speaker B:But, yeah, that's the monster.
Speaker B:The monster thing is like the normal slash.
Speaker B:Being normal slash.
Speaker B:Being a monster is like a huge theme through this episode.
Speaker B:And I think for this tying up this season in general.
Speaker B:So we got.
Speaker B:We cut back.
Speaker B:Well, that's that.
Speaker B:Well, we hear that convert the fake conversation going on.
Speaker B:Dean tells Bobby that, look, I'll die for Sam, but I won't let him do that to himself.
Speaker B:I won't let him turn himself into his monster.
Speaker B:That's what he says.
Speaker A:Which is once again, free will, motherfucker.
Speaker A:Like, don't take that away from us.
Speaker B:Me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So hallucination Dean keeps calling Sam a monster over and over again.
Speaker B:Like I just pretended that we were brothers and we were turning to one of the filthy things we hunt.
Speaker B:And you're nothing to me.
Speaker B:It's very rude, very hurtful.
Speaker B:And it's, I think things that Sam are.
Speaker B:Sam is scared.
Speaker B:His brother thinks of him because of his demon blood drinking.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And his issues with being abnormal.
Speaker A:So yep.
Speaker A:He rants a bit more and then he disappears as do Sam or strings.
Speaker B:Ooh.
Speaker B:It wakes up and his cuffs just pop open and the door just opens and no one's there.
Speaker B:And he is pretty sweaty.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna say he is sweaty at this point.
Speaker A:He starts looking like he smells.
Speaker A:But also he's like, I'm just gonna yeet my ass right out of here.
Speaker B:We get a glance of Castiel because we know.
Speaker B:So we know that Castiel was involved in opening this door and letting Sam out out.
Speaker B:But we don't know why.
Speaker B:And he does not interact with Sam at all.
Speaker B:Sam bolts and the door relaxes itself behind him and he.
Speaker B:Sam manages to like sneak past a sleeping Bobby and Dean.
Speaker B:Which I was fairly impressed by.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:But also did you see how much whiskey they were drinking?
Speaker A:Like the fact that these guys.
Speaker A:And we will talk about this as the show develops over the seasons.
Speaker A:How they fucking function without like falling on their faces fucking drunk.
Speaker A:Because no one can drink that much straight ass whiskey and like, like be okay.
Speaker A:Like they should.
Speaker A:I, as a child of a person who drinks a lot of whiskey at this point.
Speaker A:Somebody's calling somebody like so like Sam would just like be out trying to get out to the car.
Speaker A:And Dean would be drug dialing him being like, Sam.
Speaker A:Oh, why you mean monster?
Speaker A:And like, what?
Speaker A:What monster?
Speaker A:And then I still can't understand the chat shoot tomorrow.
Speaker A:And then like he would hang out.
Speaker A:That is what would actually be happening.
Speaker A:Happening now.
Speaker A:But anyways, in this world, Sam just walks past them because they're passed out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then we go cut to another industrial site because they couldn't have an episode without one.
Speaker B:And Castiel is there on the water at this industrial site.
Speaker B:And Anna arrives and she is not happy.
Speaker A:Is it an industrial site or just a bridge?
Speaker A:No, I guess you're right.
Speaker A:It's an industrial site.
Speaker B:Kind of like an industrial site on the water.
Speaker B:I'm sure they process something.
Speaker B:Water.
Speaker B:Ish.
Speaker B:It just looked kind of industrial.
Speaker B:And I was like, of course they have one every episode.
Speaker B:Couldn't go that long without it.
Speaker B:And she's like, why did you let Sam Out.
Speaker B:And all he has to say is, I have orders.
Speaker B:And she's like, you're following those orders.
Speaker B:Sam's drinking demon blood.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:Everything's worse than we thought.
Speaker B:Dean's trying to stop him, and you're fucking letting him out.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:So I was like, you really shouldn't have come here, because.
Speaker B:Up.
Speaker B:Snitch.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And these two angels appear, and they just, like, zap her away.
Speaker A:And I'm like, why couldn't she kick their asses?
Speaker A:Like, she's Anna.
Speaker B:But he can barely even watch because he's ashamed of himself.
Speaker B:Because he knows what he did.
Speaker A:It should be.
Speaker A:There's Rock and Ron cast.
Speaker A:But then he just goes back to staring.
Speaker A:Oh, water.
Speaker A:Maybe he's looking for a fish.
Speaker A:Well, I don't know.
Speaker A:So we're back at the car.
Speaker B:Car, yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam's trying to break into a car, but Bobby shows up and has a shotgun.
Speaker B:But Bobby.
Speaker A:The scene.
Speaker B:I like it.
Speaker B:No, it's pretty upsetting.
Speaker B:They're both, like, tearing up.
Speaker B:It's really emotional.
Speaker B:Bobby's like, you just need to go back inside.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, I know you won't shoot me.
Speaker B:And he just, like, walks towards the shotgun and, like, has, like, the barrel on his chest.
Speaker B:And Bobby's like, look, we're just trying to help you.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, you won't do it.
Speaker B:I know you won't do it.
Speaker B:And then he grabs a shotgun and hits Bobby in the face with it.
Speaker B:Knocks him out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So as much as I hate authority figures, I also have a ton of daddy issues.
Speaker A:And this really bothers me in terms of people who, like, are disrespecting their dad.
Speaker A:I'm like, because Bobby's basically your dad, and you're just basically defying him by walking into the shotgun and you're making him feel small.
Speaker A:And I think that's why I hate it.
Speaker A:Because by you saying, like, I am bigger than you, I can do this.
Speaker A:I don't like that.
Speaker A:Because, you know, you're making.
Speaker A:You're making Bobby feel bad and don't like Bobby feeling bad.
Speaker A:And I certainly do not like you hitting Bobby with the shotgun in the head, which totally could have killed him.
Speaker A:Like, you drive away, you can't hit somebody in, like.
Speaker A:I know, like, you hit each other in the head with things all the time, but you cannot hit older gentlemen in the head with a shotgun.
Speaker B:He has probably had previous head injuries.
Speaker B:This is very dangerous.
Speaker B:He's a hunter.
Speaker A:It's probably why he sees, like, his dead wife everywhere.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah, it's not good.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:Like, do you think it's like, you know, with, like, football athletes and the concussions they go through?
Speaker A:Like, do hunters have that, too?
Speaker A:Like, there's just like, the third season of hunting.
Speaker A:Like,.
Speaker B:You have to start.
Speaker B:Start a union.
Speaker A:Start doing CAT scans of all their heads.
Speaker A:Gosh.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:I mean, would be shocking.
Speaker B:All right, so Dean and Bobby are down in the bunker now because Bobby woke up, obviously.
Speaker B:And they're trying to figure out how the Sam got out because.
Speaker B:But they realize that all the devil's traps been busted.
Speaker B:So they are suspecting Ruby.
Speaker B:They don't know how she would have done it, but they think she did it.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:Dean's just like, well, I hope he's with her, because first thing I'm gonna do is kill her.
Speaker A:Well, he's like, you know, killing that bitch is next to my to do list.
Speaker A:And I'm like, what else is on?
Speaker A:Dean said to.
Speaker B:I. I hope he has one in his pocket.
Speaker A:In his pocket.
Speaker A:It's like, pick up whiskey.
Speaker A:Pick up pie.
Speaker B:Just to cross it off.
Speaker B:Listen.
Speaker B:Listen to bad classic rock.
Speaker A:Find easy women.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Bobby's like, well, he doesn't want to be found.
Speaker B:Well, no shit he doesn't want to be found, Bobby.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:So we see Sam as demonstrative of that.
Speaker B:We see Sam in a fancy hotel.
Speaker A:This time with all the lattice.
Speaker B:All the lattice.
Speaker A:All the lattice in the world is in this motel.
Speaker A:Also, side note, Diana and I did watch these episodes together with our best friend and her husband.
Speaker A:And so this was the main point of contention for about 20 minutes, I think.
Speaker A:For 20 minutes, we talked about the lattice.
Speaker B:We did.
Speaker B:We talked about it extensively.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We think this hotel room was designed around the fact that they had the lattice already.
Speaker B:And they really wanted to use it in a scene because they were very excited to make a fancy hotel room.
Speaker B:And they decided it needed a lot of lattice work.
Speaker B:I don't think I've been in that many hotel rooms.
Speaker B:Rooms of lattice work.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker A:No, but, like, whatever.
Speaker A:I am.
Speaker A:I have been a few.
Speaker A:And it's just like, oh, I am in a Winchester motel.
Speaker A:Like, I get very excited.
Speaker A:But, yep.
Speaker A:So the lattice is there.
Speaker A:And who shows up at that?
Speaker A:Ruby.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:But we also find out not only is it the lattice suite, it's the honeymoon suite.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:She's like, oh, dang.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, not really.
Speaker B:This is just so Dean can't find me.
Speaker B:But she's.
Speaker B:She doesn't know how he got out of the bunker either.
Speaker B:She just.
Speaker B:His glasses.
Speaker B:And he's kind of pissed because he's like, where the fuck have you been?
Speaker B:I've been trying to hold you for, like, three weeks.
Speaker B:And she's like, I've been looking for Lilith.
Speaker B:I can't always just, like, check my voicemail.
Speaker B:Like a real fucking bitch about it.
Speaker A:She's a real bitch.
Speaker A:But this is also your friend that's calling you looking for coke.
Speaker A:And they're just like, hey.
Speaker A:And you're like, I think I have a connection.
Speaker A:And then he just, like, for three weeks is like, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker A:And you're just like, what?
Speaker A:No, I don't have one.
Speaker A:And that's why you just stop answering your phone.
Speaker B:Yeah, but I thought they had kind of a thing.
Speaker A:They did, but also, like, that's.
Speaker A:It's not a good thing.
Speaker A:Like, I. I've also been in this relationship.
Speaker A:And so after three weeks, like, wait.
Speaker A:Like, I can just wait around for you?
Speaker A:Like, of course.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:But I'm still here, right?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:And she's like.
Speaker B:Like, she's like, well, Dean knows you better than anyone.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, not as well as he thinks.
Speaker B:She's like, this is really sad for you guys.
Speaker B:And hopefully you guys will make up afterwards.
Speaker B:So then Sam tackles her onto the bed.
Speaker B:And you think it's gonna be sexy time, but he does get the sexy knife out of her boot before he.
Speaker B:Go ahead.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is a very aggressive like.
Speaker A:So he aggressively throws her on the bed.
Speaker A:And he's just like, no, no, I'm gonna kiss down till I get down to your booty.
Speaker A:And he pulls his boot.
Speaker A:Boot out, which is clipped on the outside.
Speaker A:I'm like, that's smart.
Speaker A:But then I'm like, was this.
Speaker A:But it didn't seem to be one that actually, like, opened.
Speaker A:Like, it was just an open dagger, which seems really dangerous.
Speaker A:I've clipped to your boot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, if you turn, like, aren't you just stabbing yourself in the leg repetitively?
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:She's a demon.
Speaker B:Maybe she didn't care.
Speaker B:And then he cuts her arm and starts drinking her blood.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Uncomfortable.
Speaker A:Don't like it.
Speaker A:So we're gonna go back to Bobby and Dean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Bobby's like, yeah, we found.
Speaker B:We found Bobby's car that.
Speaker B:That Sam had stolen.
Speaker B:And then there was two other cars stolen.
Speaker B:There was a 99 civic.
Speaker B:Would be super anonymous.
Speaker B:Or an 05 escalade with rims which would be a neon sign.
Speaker B:And I was just excited because I.
Speaker A:Used to have an Escalade.
Speaker B:It wasn't 05, but it was his name.
Speaker A:Did it have neon rims?
Speaker B:It did not have.
Speaker B:It didn't have neon rims.
Speaker B:They said the car had rims, which would be like.
Speaker B:Like him driving a neon sign.
Speaker A:Did you ride around in your Escalade, Cadillac chicken?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes, I did.
Speaker B:It was Escobar.
Speaker B:The Escalade.
Speaker A:Oh, Escobar.
Speaker A:Actually, I do.
Speaker A:I do love an Escalade.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So detective Dean has determined, like he is deduced we must do the opposite of what Sam wants us to.
Speaker A:To do.
Speaker B:And Sam would normally pick the super anonymous Honda Civic, but because he's trying to throw us off the trail, this time it's the Escalade.
Speaker A:Which then just goes into these.
Speaker A:We're ready for a sitcom.
Speaker A:Like we are ready for.
Speaker A:This is what he thinks I'm going to do.
Speaker A:So I'm going to do this.
Speaker A:But does he know that I'm going to do this?
Speaker A:Because he thinks I'm going to do this and I'm going to do the opposite.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we're really set up for this now.
Speaker A:But we're going to cut to Sam and Ruby lying in bed like they.
Speaker B:Spent the night together.
Speaker B:Basically, like pillow talk.
Speaker A:It's just some pillow talk.
Speaker B:She's like, your appetite's bigger, but good thing it means you're stronger.
Speaker B:Getting strong enough to kill Lilith.
Speaker B:And there's not many seals left.
Speaker B:So it's getting down to the final Seal, which is 66.
Speaker B:But only Lilith can break it.
Speaker B:And she gives her demon Sunday school story.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Can you imagine demon Sunday school?
Speaker A:He's so cute.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Little demons learning about Satan and just like, what they're supposed to do.
Speaker A:And they have little, like.
Speaker A:Because you have to like, learn stupid songs in Sunday schools.
Speaker A:They have little, like, songs about like, Satan and Lilith and they're just, oh, it's so good.
Speaker B:And so this gets Dean to figure out.
Speaker B:He's like, oh, so that means if I get to Lilith before she breaks the final seal, then I can stop the apocalypse.
Speaker B:And Lucifer doesn't get out of his cage.
Speaker A:Except that was Sam, I thought, not Dean.
Speaker B:But yes,.
Speaker A:We're good.
Speaker A:But also like, it's.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Anyways, Ruby's like, yeah, and I've got this lead to find Lilith.
Speaker B:It's kind of like her personal chef.
Speaker A:Ill. What does she eat, Sam?
Speaker A:What does she eat?
Speaker A:She eats babies.
Speaker A:She eats Babies, yes, delicious babies.
Speaker B:So now we cut to some nurses in the neonatal department, and one of them is telling the other about how two babies have disappeared recently.
Speaker B:And like, that the nurse that took them said that she was possessed.
Speaker B:And this, the nurse she's telling this to is a brunette and keeps saying things, describing babies as things like, delicious babies are delicious, and her eyes turn black.
Speaker B:And we know she's a demon.
Speaker A:Well, and if you think about it, like, we are always talking to babies like, we are going to eat them.
Speaker A:Like, I just want to eat a little toys.
Speaker A:I just want to eat your little nose.
Speaker B:You're so scrunched.
Speaker A:So clearly we want to all want to eat babies.
Speaker A:That is just what it means.
Speaker A:Beans and babies are delicious.
Speaker A:But Sam has finally showered.
Speaker B:Finally.
Speaker B:But then he finally.
Speaker B:Nasty fucking clothes.
Speaker B:He already had on.
Speaker B:Ruby couldn't go buy him a fucking shirt.
Speaker B:That bitch.
Speaker A:No, maybe, like, he whores bathed it, like, in there.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker A:He could have, like, washed it in the sink.
Speaker A:And also his.
Speaker A:His hair is, like, back, which I was like, oh, I prefer Jenna.
Speaker A:This is like, oh, I like him so much better than the Prince Valiant, like, parted in the middle that he is wearing the.
Speaker A:This season.
Speaker A:But, yes, the slick back works much better.
Speaker A:Also, I do appreciate a pearl snap because I'm from Texas and that's just a sexy fucking shirt because they're fun to rip off.
Speaker A:But, yeah, he's putting it on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And talking about gourmet nurse.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then we get into some more shit that I hate about the demon blood thing because he is just like.
Speaker A:She's like, look, Sam, in order to do this, you have to drink more blood than I can give you.
Speaker A:We're gonna have to basically kill, you know, the nurse, and we're gonna take her with us.
Speaker A:And I'm like, why can't he just drain her until, like, she's almost done?
Speaker A:And then she jumps into another body, and then he destroyed that body, and then she jumped into another body, and he, like, he want to kill anybody.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker A:Way.
Speaker B:Because we still haven't gotten clarity on how the demon blood thing works, because it's actually just a human vessel or meat suit or possessed person, whatever you want to call it, holding the demon temporarily.
Speaker B:And that the implication is that it totally impacts all of this, like, blood to the cellular level.
Speaker B:Like, what the.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:The science does not check out here.
Speaker A:The science.
Speaker A:The science is not.
Speaker A:The science does not check out And I will.
Speaker A:Now, I want the demon, like, the demon laboratory, to analyze the blood like us.
Speaker A:Like, so after, like, they leave, like, does their bud change back and Sam still sucks their blood?
Speaker B:I think after that.
Speaker B:Done.
Speaker A:I. I don't get it.
Speaker A:But all right, let's go back to Dean and Bobby.
Speaker B:Well, so now the Escalade's been found.
Speaker B:And so we know that Sam ditched that.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But Dean is still on his trail.
Speaker B:And they know there's been some signs of demons near Cold Spring.
Speaker B:So Bobby's like, dean, you really need to get Sam back.
Speaker B:Don't push him away.
Speaker B:Just gotta get through to him.
Speaker B:So go find him.
Speaker A:Yeah, they're starting to have, like, some really, like.
Speaker A:Like, really seeing Bobby's, like, relationship is, like, a father figure here.
Speaker A:But there's a lot of, like, sun chat going.
Speaker A:And he is just like, all right, we gotta get Sam back.
Speaker A:We're not.
Speaker A:Don't just go kill your brother.
Speaker B:Yeah, so we see Sam leaves the hotel, but Dean was watching in the hallway.
Speaker B:So he runs into the room because he guessed right that Ruby is still there.
Speaker B:And he attacks her.
Speaker B:And they fight.
Speaker B:But Sam arrives and breaks it up and protects Ruby.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, oh, I know.
Speaker B:I saw how hard you worked to hide.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, look, I just want to talk.
Speaker B:Dean's like, yeah, sure, we can talk after Ruby's dead.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, she's gonna leave.
Speaker B:And Dean's pissed.
Speaker B:He's like, no, she's poison.
Speaker B:And she's, you know, she leaves you hanging.
Speaker B:She's been manipulating you, and you're just lying to yourself about it.
Speaker B:And I just want you to be okay.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, I need you to listen to me.
Speaker B:I've got a lead on a demon close to Lilith.
Speaker B:We can go get it.
Speaker B:I want you to come with us.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, yeah, I'm into it.
Speaker B:But no Ruby.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, we need her.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:She's got to help us kill it.
Speaker A:And Dean, Sam is just basically like, you're not the boss of me.
Speaker A:No, I made my own decision.
Speaker A:I'm a big boy.
Speaker A:I'm a big boy.
Speaker A:I like, okay, my way.
Speaker B:My way.
Speaker B:And you kind of see, like, Dean looks away and there's, I think, kind of a poignant moment.
Speaker B:And while I don't obviously fully agree with either one of them here, I think they're both have some element of being in the wrong.
Speaker B:It kind of like, there's a look on Dean's face where he looks like seriously pained by all this.
Speaker B:And not like annoyed.
Speaker A:I mean he should be.
Speaker B:But like, like sad.
Speaker B:Like hurt by all of this.
Speaker B:Which is fair.
Speaker A:Like, but to be fair, like for Sam's side, like look like sometimes like your little brother or your big brother or your little sister, your big sister or your friend, whatever, they want to do something that is really stupid and they're very into it.
Speaker A:Like Sam is so into this idea and it's so stupid, but they love it and they are just attached to it.
Speaker A:And at that point you just say whatever.
Speaker A:We're going to go do whatever you want to do.
Speaker A:Clearly this means a lot to you.
Speaker A:To me that's like that relationship should just be like.
Speaker B:And then at least you're there to support, help or fix it gets fucked.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because they've like doing this combative like, nope, you're dumb.
Speaker A:We're not doing this.
Speaker A:Like now they're out on their own.
Speaker B:But the problem is, is then Sam says, look, I know you can't.
Speaker B:You don't get it.
Speaker B:But someday you'll understand because I'm the only one who can do this.
Speaker B:And we know this is going to set Dean off about being the only one who can stop Lilith.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, no, that's not true.
Speaker B:You're not the one.
Speaker B:Sam's like, no, you're not strong enough.
Speaker B:And that upsets people.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But Sam escalates it further.
Speaker B:He's like, look, Dean, you always, like you were saying, you always call the shot shots.
Speaker B:You always want me to trust me, trust.
Speaker B:And I need you to trust me on this.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, it's not what you're doing.
Speaker B:It's what you are.
Speaker A:Yeah, and that's not a good thing.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know, like your intervention training sucks, Dean.
Speaker A:I don't know who took you into this but like it must have been Dr. Drew or somebody who like some other shyster that up addiction, you know, therapy for people for a very long time.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, you just.
Speaker A:You go with him at this point.
Speaker A:But whatever.
Speaker A:So we just decide we're gonna to combat.
Speaker B:Well, Dean calls him a monster.
Speaker A:He does.
Speaker B:As one single tear falls.
Speaker A:They got a man tear.
Speaker A:A single man tear.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:And Dean.
Speaker B:Dean gets hit in the face real hard by Sam.
Speaker A:You kind of deserve it.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like at that point, like, you know where this is going.
Speaker A:If you say this to your sibling, they're like, at this point there is nowhere else as they can go besides Someone getting punched in the face.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So I didn't get stuff hits him back.
Speaker B:And they do have a big fight.
Speaker B:And they messed up all that lattice.
Speaker A:All the lattice.
Speaker A:All the lattice is broken.
Speaker A:So besides destroying the glorious lattice.
Speaker A:Lattice.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know why I'm saying that way right now, but I can't stop saying it that way.
Speaker A:Now it's just lattice.
Speaker A:Nobody can get hit in the face this many times and keep going like.
Speaker A:Like they are just cold cocking each other.
Speaker A:Like, bam.
Speaker B:It's brutal.
Speaker B:That hurt.
Speaker B:And then we get.
Speaker B:Dean's pretty fucked up.
Speaker B:He's on the floor.
Speaker B:Sam kind of won this fight and.
Speaker B:Which is kind of surprising.
Speaker B:Or it's the demon blood.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker B:Or it's the motivation.
Speaker B:The emotional level of motivation.
Speaker A:And physically Jared Pedalicky is a much bigger man.
Speaker A:Thank you, Dungeons.
Speaker A:Like, even though it's only a couple of inches.
Speaker A:Like Moose, Squirrel, like, you know, they're.
Speaker B:But we get some closing dialogue to this episode I think is important.
Speaker A:Well, because he starts choking his brother out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like you're choking your brother.
Speaker A:No, no, you've gone too far, Sam.
Speaker A:Like you don't choke your brother out.
Speaker A:Like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:Too far.
Speaker B:It's not just like you knocked him down on the ground and he just can't get up.
Speaker B:You are like he's losing consciousness.
Speaker B:This is not good.
Speaker B:Oh, bad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:But Sam gets up and says, you don't know me.
Speaker B:Never did and you Never will.
Speaker A:You're 12.
Speaker A:That is what a 12 year old says.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's sad and shitty too.
Speaker A:You don't know me.
Speaker A:You never did and you never will.
Speaker A:That's fucking bullshit.
Speaker A:That is somebody who is just insecure and obsessed with.
Speaker A:Obsessed with themselves.
Speaker A:Say.
Speaker A:Because I say that all the time.
Speaker A:I know this.
Speaker A:I identify with you.
Speaker A:But it's shitty.
Speaker A:Like you just like it's whiny and it's gross.
Speaker A:It's why you don't say it out loud.
Speaker A:You only keep that in your head, Sam.
Speaker A:You don't say that out loud to other people.
Speaker B:Well then Dean kind of does almost an equivalent response though in part of the.
Speaker B:On that level.
Speaker B:Because he goes.
Speaker B:You walk out that door, don't you ever come back.
Speaker A:One which obviously this is a repeat of what John Winchester said to Sam Winchester at some point.
Speaker A:And a trope and so movies and things that my parents have said to me.
Speaker A:So it's never a good line to say this ever.
Speaker B:No, it does not work.
Speaker A:Nothing Good comes out of his line.
Speaker B:But Sam walks out the door and Dean's lying here on the floor where you left me.
Speaker A:What is that from?
Speaker B:Just like a pillow pink song?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:Lying there on the floor like he left me.
Speaker B:And seen and seen.
Speaker B:And that's the episode.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:The Winchester brothers are having juvenile emotional shit fits as the world is ending.
Speaker A:This is what happens when men are in charge of the apocalypse.
Speaker B:I'm tired of stopping the apocalypse.
Speaker B:Sounds like women are in charge of making it happen.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:We get shit done.
Speaker A:Bitches get shit done.
Speaker A:Like, what we need to start this apocalypse.
Speaker A:Go, go, go.
Speaker A:Ruby's like, I am on it.
Speaker A:Like, I will.
Speaker A:I will do this.
Speaker A:Like, sam, I'm here for you.
Speaker A:I've got things to do.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, you can't call me.
Speaker A:Like, whatever.
Speaker A:Like, I had shit to do.
Speaker B:Mm.
Speaker A:And the men are just like, nobody loves me and Winchesters.
Speaker A:So, Diana, I think you know, as we're going into the season finale.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:It's almost here.
Speaker B:Yes, it is.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:What are your expectations?
Speaker A:I. I can't say this because I know it's a spoiler because you've seen it because.
Speaker B:We cheated this week.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:My expectations.
Speaker B:I would be the way I felt.
Speaker B:I was very sad at the end of this episode.
Speaker B:And I feel strongly because I feel like they're both being horrible to each other.
Speaker B:And I feel for.
Speaker B:Bad for Bobby trying to hold it together for them.
Speaker B:And I am.
Speaker B:I really.
Speaker B:I wasn't, like, into Ruby like before, but I didn't like her anymore.
Speaker B:Like, if you were kind of like.
Speaker B:Kind of like Ruby, she's kind of bad girl, but it's kind of cool.
Speaker B:But you don't really trust her.
Speaker B:But you do.
Speaker B:And like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I was like, okay, I kind of like Ruby in this episode.
Speaker B:I was like, ew.
Speaker A:I don't like, dude, she's manipulative.
Speaker A:Nobody likes a manipulative girlfriend or anybody.
Speaker A:Like, it just.
Speaker B:And so you have an agenda.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're using somebody to get there.
Speaker A:And we don't like people being used.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So my expectations, I think, from going into the finale are I think we need to see a resolution of some kind to Sam and Ruby's relationship, whatever that is.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Personally need some kind of resolution to the brothers because they're both being horrible to each other.
Speaker B:And I will say, when I was watching this the first time through, because I did watch it twice, I felt very much more sympathetic to Dean and I still do, kind of.
Speaker B:But I also put more blame on him the second time watching than the first.
Speaker B:Does that make sense?
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:And I think that's something, you know, as.
Speaker A:Which is always interesting with like, the kind of that virgin watch, right.
Speaker A:That you don't have those expectations that get built in.
Speaker A:You're not really thinking the character development as much.
Speaker A:And then like, when you go the second time, you're like, oh, wait, I know what the consequence of you saying this is.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And so when you know the consequent consequence is going to happen, I think that changes.
Speaker A:Would it be.
Speaker A:But I just.
Speaker B:I just felt.
Speaker B:I felt like, really felt like the.
Speaker B:I felt like his motives and his intent were more clear and justified.
Speaker B:I didn't appre.
Speaker B:I don't think, like, the way they talked to her at the end, I didn't think was okay for either one, but they were also, like, punching each other in the face.
Speaker B:So it's kind of hard to, like, worry about what they're saying, even though some words or more.
Speaker B:But no, but also.
Speaker A:I mean, I've.
Speaker A:I mean, violence is never okay.
Speaker A:And I clearly have issues that work out with this.
Speaker A:But I mean, I also come from a family where those things were settled.
Speaker A:Like, when words stopped working, that is how you settled your arguments was you just started punching each other in the face.
Speaker A:So, I mean, yeah, family.
Speaker B:That's not the experience that I've had.
Speaker A:Oh, what, you and your sister didn't punch each other in the face?
Speaker B:Not really.
Speaker B:We fought something, but not like that.
Speaker B:Like, we, like, rolled on the ground, like, pulling each other's hair and shit.
Speaker B:But, like.
Speaker A:Anyways, we'll dissect Liz's childhood at another time.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So I think we are super excited for the season finale.
Speaker A:Oh, season four ends.
Speaker A:What happens in season five?
Speaker A:We don't know.
Speaker A:Where are we going?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's the future.
Speaker B:All right.
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