10:23 Brother's Keeper
It's the Season 10 finale Brother's Keeper. We've got emotional Winchesters, stunning Rowena, a Cass and Crowley show, plus the final chapter of our series on Rosaleen Norton, discussing the Goosens scandal and the Sex Magic! And don't miss Season 10 SPN trivia!
Research Links
- What Is Quince?
- Ned McCann
- The Witch of Kings Cross | PDF | Religion And Belief
- ROSALEEN NORTON’S CONTRIBUTION TO THE WESTERN ESOTERIC TRADITION NEVILLE STUART DRURY
- NSW Heritage Listing For Cooma Gaol, Which Historically Housed Convicted LGBTQIA+ People
- Remember the night Iron Maiden were egged by Sharon Osbourne | Louder
Transcript
Welcome to this week's episode of Double Strap podcast.
Speaker A:It's the season 10 finale, and we've.
Speaker B:Got lore, trivia, and salacious sex shops.
Speaker B:Smoke, snakes and scythes.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And this week we're Gonna Talk Season 10, episode 23, the season finale.
Speaker B:Brothers.
Speaker A:What is going to happen?
Speaker A:Is Jensen gonna die?
Speaker B:Is the mark gonna get him?
Speaker A:Wouldn't it be great if instead of watching Supernatural, someone just listened to our podcast and this is just like all they knew?
Speaker A:So, like.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:Well, you know, I'm sure somebody does.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But so if this is you, well, welcome.
Speaker A:And that's a.
Speaker A:That's an impressive way to do.
Speaker B:Shout out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Shout out to you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's hot as balls.
Speaker A:What have you been up to?
Speaker B:What have I been up to?
Speaker B:Oh, I went.
Speaker B:What did I do?
Speaker B:Saw some bands.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:No, it was fun.
Speaker B:Saw goodness.
Speaker B:I saw my friend's band, Jay Isaiah Evans and the Boss Tweed.
Speaker B:I saw the in the Sleaze, and they were really fun.
Speaker B:And a few other bands.
Speaker B:But it's a nice time.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's the extent of my excitement right now.
Speaker B:Got just working.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:Getting ready to go on a family trip.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker A:Exciting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Summer summertime family trip.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But pool season is officially on.
Speaker B:That's the good news.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was asked yesterday, why do you look so bronzy?
Speaker A:It was like, I have actually gotten in a pool.
Speaker B:Have you ever been called bronzy before?
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker A:Like, if I'm doing outdoor activities.
Speaker A:I mean, I tan, or at least I get enough freckles that it looks like a tan.
Speaker A:They just all kind of like, blend together to create the.
Speaker A:Like a camouflage.
Speaker A:So it looks like it, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, you know, I've.
Speaker A:I have been, you know, trying to.
Speaker A:To get in the pool and.
Speaker A:And to do that and to.
Speaker A:To relax a little.
Speaker A:No, it's very hard.
Speaker A:It's very hard to relax.
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker B:So I feel that.
Speaker B:Let's jump into this episode.
Speaker B:I know we got a lot to talk about.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Finale.
Speaker A:So Season finale.
Speaker A:Brother's keeper.
Speaker A:So brother's keeper refers to the verses in Genesis for 4, 9, 4, 10.
Speaker A:The Phil Collins Genesis, by the way.
Speaker A:And so it says, then the Lord said to Cain, where is your brother Abel?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:He replied, am I my brother's keeper?
Speaker A:And that has then been used by siblings throughout time.
Speaker A:And Then the Lord said, what have you done?
Speaker A:Listen, your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground because Cain killed Abel because he was not his brother's keeper.
Speaker A:Because in like this is also like how like when the world's first true crime things too, like, because you have Abel being like, no God, like I'll know like, where's my bro?
Speaker A:And then like, haha, I know.
Speaker A:Like your blood's all there.
Speaker A:And then like there's a reveal and like you killed him.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So this was season 10, episode 23.
Speaker A:It first aired May 20.
Speaker B:Did you just say that like a part of Genesis is the original true crime?
Speaker B:I'm just processing still.
Speaker A:I mean, that story is the story of Cain and Abel.
Speaker A:It's the first murder, right?
Speaker B:I'm not saying you're wrong.
Speaker B:I'm just processing.
Speaker A:And don't correct me.
Speaker A:Yes, I know that was not the first murder in the world.
Speaker A:That was the first murder according to the Abrahamic rel.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But yes, that in.
Speaker A:In that.
Speaker A:In that world realm.
Speaker A:Western world.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think that's the first true crime story.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm not disagreeing.
Speaker B:No, I'm just processing.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I was delayed in response.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:And this season he did episode five, fan fiction 11, there's no Place Like Home and 14, the Executioner Song.
Speaker A:It was written by who?
Speaker A:Jerry McCarver, who is one of the showrunners at this time.
Speaker A:So he wrote the season premiere of season 10 and then he also wrote the season.
Speaker A:I just, I realized this pattern today.
Speaker A:I was like, how did I not realize this?
Speaker A:That Jeremy Carver, starting at season eight, wrote the season premiere and then the season finale.
Speaker A:And then so then he did that for nine and then he did it for 10.
Speaker A:So we will see him writing episode one for season 11.
Speaker A:So I don't know why I just noticed that pattern today, but I did.
Speaker A:I'm smart.
Speaker B:Neat.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyways, so that is our background on the episode and we are going to open to pictures of research and Mary.
Speaker B:And Sam's inbox, all of that.
Speaker B:And we are looking at his emails and he's got three in his inbox right now.
Speaker B:That's pretty good inbox maintenance.
Speaker A:You know, And I also, I.
Speaker A:I know you have multiple emails as well.
Speaker A:Like I don't have any.
Speaker A:I think right Now I have three inboxes.
Speaker A:One only has like 16 unreads in it, but that's because it's only.
Speaker A:I've only had it for like two months.
Speaker A:The other ones are all like 20,000.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:That's what I was laughing.
Speaker B:I was like, okay, sir.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But we see the first one is the one from Charlie that we teased with or at the end of last.
Speaker B:Last episode with the 911C attached.
Speaker B:And then the next one is road food.
Speaker B:Find the best diners anywhere in usa.
Speaker B:And the third email is Mythology.
Speaker B:Weekly this month we look at Peruvian folklore.
Speaker A:I will be talking about the peach tacos.
Speaker B:Peach tacos.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:That's what I thought of.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:So basically we see photos of this translation, the cipher that Charlie sent to Sam.
Speaker B:And he is putting liquid on bullet tips.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:He is making bullets.
Speaker B:And Cass enters.
Speaker B:Neither of them have heard from Dean.
Speaker B:They are concerned.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But Sam's like, nope.
Speaker B:Now I definitely need Rowena to keep up her end of the bargain because we got the cipher from Charlie.
Speaker B:Fuck.
Speaker B:What Dean said.
Speaker B:We're going to fucking do this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Cass is like, you know, there's potential consequences.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, what?
Speaker A:What consequences?
Speaker A:Nobody knows.
Speaker A:You're just guessing.
Speaker A:It can't be bad.
Speaker B:We saved Dean.
Speaker A:Same Dean.
Speaker A:He's gonna put it on a banner.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker B:So we cut to a very sweaty Dean on the floor of a motel.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Nobody wants to wake up on that carpet.
Speaker A:No, you need to burn your face.
Speaker A:Just burn that face right off.
Speaker A:And then it's just like.
Speaker A:Is even like there's empty, fast, fast food bags and pizza boxes and here.
Speaker B:And he's got good old bloodshot eyes.
Speaker B:And 12 missed messages from Sam that he is continuing to ignore.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then he drinks the warm flat beer.
Speaker B:He does drink the warm flat beer.
Speaker A:This is not good.
Speaker A:Even if you keep telling yourself over and over good that you know it.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:That's not okay.
Speaker A:It is never.
Speaker A:It is never okay to drink the beer the next day.
Speaker A:It's just not.
Speaker B:Oh, you don't do that.
Speaker A:That is a lyric for whatever country song you want to write.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:You can have that one.
Speaker B:But never okay to drink the beer the next day.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:It's just not a good scene.
Speaker A:And so speaking of crime scenes.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we're cutting from that to another.
Speaker A:The one that this is also feels very.
Speaker A:But just maybe this just feels like a very true crime episode.
Speaker A:And that's why.
Speaker B:Maybe that's why.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or like procedurally the way.
Speaker A:The way this.
Speaker A:We don't often see corpses like this in.
Speaker A:In Supernatural.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's very.
Speaker A:It's kind of jarring because, I mean, it's.
Speaker A:You know, as a young woman, she's dressed.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Dean goes far too extreme on that.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker A:She was just in a tank top.
Speaker B:And like some cute little like wedges.
Speaker B:She's like.
Speaker B:She's wearing her going out clothes.
Speaker A:Yeah, she is.
Speaker A:She's not like.
Speaker A:She's not like.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I don't even.
Speaker A:I don't want to slap shame anybody.
Speaker A:There's no like.
Speaker A:But even in terms of provocative outfits, on the scale of like 0 to 10, it's like a 3.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:It has flat.
Speaker A:It's floral.
Speaker A:It's floral.
Speaker B:So poor Rose McKinley is dead in a ditch in this outfit.
Speaker B:And then Dean has to stand there and talk to the sheriff about it.
Speaker A:The thing that I fear the most because my mom put that into my head.
Speaker A:You'll wake up, we're going to find you dead in the ditch.
Speaker A:I did almost break my ankle in a ditch once, but it's true.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But the sheriff, you know, sheriff sets Dean.
Speaker A:I kind of like this sheriff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Dick.
Speaker B:Dean's like, they let her.
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:He's like, her parents are, you know, her parents are worried.
Speaker B:Been worried, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:He's like, well, they should be.
Speaker B:They let her out looking like a whore.
Speaker A:And look, the deed.
Speaker A:And the sheriff is like, too far, man.
Speaker B:He's like, that could be the whore of Babylon.
Speaker B:But way we see it is that could be.
Speaker B:That's someone's little girl.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And he kind of like.
Speaker B:Like, yeah.
Speaker A:Although like, I think Dean could have countered that he has met the of Babylon and he killed her with a stick.
Speaker B:I mean, that's true too, but he.
Speaker A:Was a righteous man, so.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:I should have put that in trivia.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Kind of apologizes.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:And then he just wants to mumble bullshit about good luck sub kicks with your eyes shut as the sheriff walks off.
Speaker B:And the sheriff's just kind of like the bro.
Speaker B:The sheriff is not into Dean's antics and Dean's just being a dick.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I also, the sheriff's like, you know, you've seen some dark things, right?
Speaker A:He's trying to empathize too.
Speaker A:Being like, man, like, I don't know what kind of FBI you do.
Speaker A:You've seen some dark stuff.
Speaker A:It's left a mark and team's like, you don't even know hot cha cha cha.
Speaker B:Yeah, well.
Speaker B:So Rudy, the other hunter that Dean was on the phone with before, shows up and is pretending like he's Dean's partner.
Speaker B:And Dean is like, no, bro, you gotta go.
Speaker B:And Rudy's like, no, I called you, so whatever.
Speaker B:But Dean's like, no, no, you begged me to come here.
Speaker B:You need to get the out.
Speaker B:I'm taking care of this case now.
Speaker A:And Rudy.
Speaker A:But Rudy is like, this is my gang of fang.
Speaker A:Which is also title of my next sex tape.
Speaker A:So the sheriff is like, yo, there's another missing girl, but I don't want you to come with me.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, please don't come.
Speaker B:Just a heads up.
Speaker B:So he's going to go talk to her parents and maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe Dean and Rudy just kind of sit it out.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:So we cut to Rowena.
Speaker A:And her perfect curls and the fact that she can wear bangs.
Speaker A:She's bangs and perfect curls and it's damper.
Speaker B:And she's preparing some tea which.
Speaker B:Well, Sam points a gun at her and Cat stands off to the side and he's like, you know, he's got five things.
Speaker B:Anyways, he's basically.
Speaker B:He's got these hollow.
Speaker B:He tells her about the hollow tips with which.
Speaker A:Killing.
Speaker B:Brewing them.
Speaker B:That's the big thing here.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He has made witch killing bullets, which is smart.
Speaker A:You know, like these.
Speaker A:These are intelligent things.
Speaker A:I'm glad you're working on improving your armory.
Speaker A:And the things you have.
Speaker A:But then he points them at his gun at her.
Speaker A:And then she's just like, the fuck you doing?
Speaker B:She's like, I'm not scared because you're bluffing and you need me.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:I'm gonna have my tea and we can just renegotiate this fucking deal we have.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Unless you have master the intricacies of high witchcraft.
Speaker A:Have you, Samuel?
Speaker A:And maybe Sam has.
Speaker A:I think he's like getting kind of close for his like intricacies of high witchcra.
Speaker A:It also does make me wonder like what level.
Speaker A:What is she practicing?
Speaker A:What is she doing?
Speaker A:What are other witches doing?
Speaker A:I'm just trying to find a good way to segue into Lord.
Speaker A:That wasn't great.
Speaker A:But so this we're going to.
Speaker A:It's our.
Speaker A:Our also.
Speaker A:You know, our seasons run along.
Speaker A:The supernatural seasons in.
Speaker A:So they're in season 10.
Speaker A:We're in season 10.
Speaker A:We are finishing out the Rosalind Norton, the witch of King's Cross.
Speaker A:And when we last left off Rowie A newspaper reporter for the sun named Joe Morris had just stolen letters from her couch.
Speaker A:Detective Bert Trevenar was probably drooling as he opened the letters to find salacious correspondence between Rosaline and the conductor of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra, Sir Eugene Goosens.
Speaker B:Sir A sir.
Speaker A:So who is or was Sir Eugene?
Speaker A:So Eugene Goosens was born a twin in London's Camden Town.
Speaker A:Hey, hey, Amy.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A: laire Goosen, who, in Success: Speaker A:That sounds like a good old time to me.
Speaker A:So Goosen's recorded over 240 works of popular classics as a conductor, in addition to his role as a violinist, notably in the London Philharmon Philharmonic Stream Quartet.
Speaker A:He was married three times.
Speaker A:He met his third wife in America, Marjorie, and she is the one he'll be married to during what happens.
Speaker A:The scandal that is to follow.
Speaker A:So, spoiler alert.
Speaker A: Sydney Symphony Orchestra in: Speaker A:They liked him so much, they were like, have a job.
Speaker A:Be a conductor.
Speaker A:Also be the director of the Conservatorium of Music.
Speaker A:Here is a salary higher than that of the prime minister.
Speaker A:So he's getting paid a lot.
Speaker A:His wife is like a lady in society.
Speaker A:Like, they're very well known in Sydney.
Speaker A:He was described as a big pink man with large ears, a long pointed nose, alert eyes, a bulging forehead, and long side birds turning gray at the ends.
Speaker A:I'm not sure his friend described him that way, but somebody did.
Speaker B:Weird description.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:The Australian conductor, Richard Bonian.
Speaker A:You Australians.
Speaker A:But his name is spelled Boney and then N, G, E, Boeing.
Speaker A:So Boeing, who studied under Goosens at the Conservatorium, said that Sir Eugene was very autocratic, a proud man.
Speaker A:We were in awe of him, even frightened some of the time.
Speaker A:Once when he broke his favorite baton during rehearsal.
Speaker A:A courier got escorted by police.
Speaker A:So they had it in time for the start of a concert.
Speaker A:So they, like, rode a baton with, like, police escorts through town because he said, other batons are too short for me.
Speaker A:I can't properly.
Speaker A:I can't work properly without them.
Speaker A:Them.
Speaker A:So he's a little bit of a diva.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But he championed the idea of the Sydney Opera House.
Speaker A:It was his vision.
Speaker A:And he is the one who suggested the site.
Speaker A:There is a sculpture of him in the concert hall foyer.
Speaker A:He was.
Speaker A:Which we've determined if it's you're rich, it's a foyer.
Speaker A:If you're poor, it's a foyer.
Speaker A: at Buckingham palace in June: Speaker A:So all of that hoity toity like fancy stuff.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But he also had a wild side.
Speaker A:He had an interest in occult writings, especially those of Aleister Crowley and had friendships with the occultist Cyril Scott, pianist, composer, really into theosophy and Matt Blavatsky and Philip Heseltine, also known as Peter Warlock.
Speaker A:Fuck yeah, call me Peter Warlock.
Speaker A:This is a great name.
Speaker A:Like he was an OTO member, composer, critic, editor and he was also friends with Power Bottom, Crowley's lover Victor Neuberg.
Speaker A:So Eugene Goosen's masterwork the Apocalypse you can listen to on any of your, your streaming services.
Speaker A:Goosens is there.
Speaker A:He's, you know, his stuff is very well recorded.
Speaker A: ered in Sydney in November of: Speaker A:And that is based on Revelations and it really is an opera of revelation.
Speaker A:So I want you to just imagine people singing the Book of Revelations and that's that opera.
Speaker A:So you can listen to that if you would like to noted there is some fun Lucifer stuff in there.
Speaker A:Like Lucifer.
Speaker B:Lucifer.
Speaker A:Like I don't know, that was kind of enjoyable.
Speaker A:But so, but that opera also.
Speaker A:Foster is said to have fostered interest in magic amongst the Australian Sydney's elite.
Speaker A:So since the performances of the Apocalypse, interest in the occult has become far more widespread amongst the fashionable circles of Sydney's prominent citizens.
Speaker A:A little indulgence in pantheism with sexual overtones made a welcome contrast to barbecued ribs on the North Shore or cocktails in Katumba.
Speaker A:Oh, Katumba.
Speaker A:So how did the he meet Rosalind?
Speaker A:So Sir Eugene wrote an assigned statement that he and Roe met after he wrote to her expressing his admiration for her book and her work.
Speaker A:She wrote back thanking him for his letter.
Speaker A:As a result, he met her at the flat and they had tea.
Speaker A:Her flat was within walking distance of the rehearsal rooms at abc.
Speaker A:So he would frequently come by to discuss magic and their shared love of music.
Speaker B:And boning.
Speaker A:And boning.
Speaker A:Like I literally like had and written in there and then I put in to do other things.
Speaker A:I thought about putting banging but I.
Speaker A:Yeah, thank you for that's what they.
Speaker B:Were doing, I guess.
Speaker B:But I.
Speaker B:The store.
Speaker B:I knew where the story was going.
Speaker A:Yes, there was an inference.
Speaker A:So the arrest.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So after getting those quote I use Salacious twice in my writing and so I'm just Going to say it twice.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:So after reading the salacious letters between Goosens and Norton, Detective Burt went to the head of the vice squad, Detective Inspector Ron Walden, for permissions to investigate this matter.
Speaker A:After all, he was a knight of the realm, so he needed, like, extra permissions.
Speaker A:But while he was asking for the okay, Eugene was getting the fuck out of Australia because Roe's arrest was at the papers.
Speaker A:And he was like, I'm gonna burn all my shit and get out of here.
Speaker A:So he left.
Speaker A:Bert, though, makes a deal with the Sun.
Speaker A:That's where Joe Morris was a newspaper reporter for.
Speaker A:And they start tailing Eugene while he's in England and on his concert tour.
Speaker A:Like, they follow around and I'm just picturing people in trench coats and, like, sunglasses, like, following people following him to different places.
Speaker A:So they followed him around Soho and Leicester.
Speaker A:Is it Leicester Square?
Speaker A:They say that London East?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But he went into sex shops and occult bookstores.
Speaker A:Some of them I've been to.
Speaker A:Not telling you it was the sex shop or the bookstore.
Speaker A:So the Tales then alerted the New South Wales Vice squad that Goosengs was on his way back to Australia.
Speaker A:So he could not stay away.
Speaker A:He still has a job, so he is coming back.
Speaker A:But they're also like, dude, he's been going to all these porn shops and he is bringing back a bunch of.
Speaker A:And we're pretty sure he's got a briefcase full of porn.
Speaker A:So carrying these Goosens, like, man, you're a dumbass.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Like, I just.
Speaker A:I have respect for you as a composer, as a conductor, as a whatever, all the other things, but as a criminal, you dumb as fuck.
Speaker A:All right, so he takes this briefcase full of photographs back to Australia after he has fled after.
Speaker A:Because his girlfriend got busted for shit, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But he is like, all right, I am going to bring these in.
Speaker A:And that sets him up for a charge of importing prohibited material into Australia to.
Speaker A:But that's a federal crime and out of vice squad's jurisdiction.
Speaker A:So the vice squad then had to loop in Customs, right?
Speaker A:So now we have fads and the local ish cops, right?
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:And he shows up in a velour hat at a rakish angle, his coat draped over his shoulders and carrying a briefcase.
Speaker A:Awaiting him were Detective Burt, the head of Ron Walton, the Chief of Customs in Sydney, Nat Craig, and a photographer for the Sun.
Speaker A:When they approached him, the customs chief asked Eugene if he had anything to Claire and he said, no, no, nothing.
Speaker A:And they're like, what's in your bags?
Speaker A:And he's like, only musical.
Speaker A:So they're like, we're gonna look at those.
Speaker A: smuggling border show of the: Speaker A:It's a little, you know, not quite the ones, but so on this episode, inside his cases, Matt Craig found several large envelopes with smaller envelopes stuck to the inside, because that's how he was being sneaky.
Speaker A:And on the outside of the envelopes, like, he wrote, like, Beethoven or like, this only contains classical music or is whatever thing.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Good lord.
Speaker A:They seized 11, 16 photos.
Speaker A:844, which were the crown determined to be obscene.
Speaker A:And that's a lot of like, I.
Speaker A:Dude, she just got busted.
Speaker A:Maybe like, just like, you can.
Speaker B:Don't try to carry it.
Speaker A:I don't know, man.
Speaker A:So according to.
Speaker A:According to Bert, some of the.
Speaker A:This is the only two descriptions of those pictures that we have.
Speaker A: And this is: Speaker A:So it's really good.
Speaker A:A set of pictures of a police woman getting on a push bike, one of which showed her throwing her leg over the bike, and then you could see all of her naughty bits.
Speaker A:And then she sat on the bike.
Speaker A:So it's like the series of like six pictures of, like, a woman, a cop, getting on a bike, just to the point you can see her back badge.
Speaker A:And that was.
Speaker A:That was what he brought.
Speaker A:That was what you're risking, you know, whatever.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then another one was a bunch of quote unquote bucks and does, which I guess is an Australian term for pimps and hoes.
Speaker A:I'm not maybe.
Speaker A:So they said, all in the raw, all thrown in together, and who was up who?
Speaker A:You couldn't tell.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:I feel like the level of these pictures were probably Playboy level is what it sounds like, you know, but still.
Speaker A:So 50s.
Speaker A:They also found rubber masks and incense.
Speaker A:So he goes with them to the police headquarters, and then he does not ask for a lawyer.
Speaker A:Detective Burt takes him upstairs to interrogate him about the photos and the letters.
Speaker A:Detective Burt was so obsessed with this case, he kept the transcript for, like, until he was like, in his 80s.
Speaker A:So had this stuff and kept a.
Speaker B:Bunch of the photos.
Speaker B:Photos.
Speaker A:Yes, he did.
Speaker A:Oh, he did.
Speaker A:So dirty.
Speaker B:Dirty.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So he asked Eugene, there were repeated mention of SM rights between you and Norton and Greenlees made in your letters.
Speaker A:What is that?
Speaker A: So he said, and this isn't a: Speaker A:That is sex magic.
Speaker A:It is a symbolic ceremony involving sex stimulation.
Speaker A:I said, how is that right?
Speaker A:Conducted?
Speaker A:And you know, that was in some atrocious Australian accent.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Was that right?
Speaker B:Conducted?
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:That's really bad.
Speaker A:No offense.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Australia.
Speaker A:So he said, we undressed and sat on the floor in a circle.
Speaker A:Ms.
Speaker A:Norton conducted the verbal part of the.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And then I performed the sexual stimulation on her, which sounds awful, like I.
Speaker B:Don'T know if I want someone to.
Speaker A:And he said, how did you do that?
Speaker A:He said, I placed my tongue in her sexual organ and kept moving it until I stimulated it.
Speaker A:So his sex magic was rowie said some.
Speaker A:Some words and then he ate her out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wild.
Speaker A: rter commented on this on the: Speaker A:Well, the obvious thing was that he was going to be charged with scandalous conduct because that was the approach appropriate offense for that sort of thing.
Speaker A:Now, if people do things in private that outrage public decency, regardless of the fact that they occurred in private, then the charge can be brought.
Speaker A:Scandalous conduct is a nasty offense.
Speaker A:He could have been looking at a jail sentence of some years if convicted.
Speaker A:According to Detective Burt, the crime of scandalous conduct was a common law misdemeanor that required a warrant for arrest unless the individual was already custody.
Speaker A:So he doesn't have a warrant to get that.
Speaker A:He's, you know, still trying to get them or him arrested on those charges.
Speaker A:He obviously has the customs charges, but they're trying to go after him for scandalous conduct.
Speaker A:Sir.
Speaker A:Sir Eugene then resigns from the Sydney Symphony and Conservatorium.
Speaker A: D of the Customs Act: Speaker A:So official to go to the Martin Place Court of Petty Sessions the next morning.
Speaker A:He did not appear in court due to illness, but was fined 100 pounds, the maximum for a breach of the Customs Act.
Speaker A:So honestly, that's £100.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It's nothing, but it's not.
Speaker A:It's not a lot.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Detective Burt then sends along his report with the evidence to the Attorney General.
Speaker A:But no warrant was issued for Eugene, nor were any further charges brought against Rosaline and Gavin.
Speaker A:The New South Wales government was protecting Sir Eugene from future scandal, kind of.
Speaker A:So that's really what they all everybody thinks is what happens is behind closed doors, there was just a lot of things favors being just said, hey, you know, he's.
Speaker A:He's a super important dude.
Speaker A:He's a knight.
Speaker A:You know, like we're just.
Speaker B:We're gonna be an international thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're just like, nah, we're just gonna.
Speaker A:You know, we're not gonna do that.
Speaker A:So the Australian Broadcasting Commission, abc made.
Speaker A:Made their stance clear when they issued the statement.
Speaker A:If there is a fair farewell for Goosens, we will have no part of it.
Speaker A:Sir Eugene left Australia on his 63rd birthday, never to return.
Speaker A:And then, sadly, his health began to worsen.
Speaker A:And then six years later, he died of a ruptured ulcer.
Speaker A:Rosaline continued to live her life as an artist, selling her paintings and embracing her public Persona as the King's Cross witch, selling hexes and curses, sometimes a tourist who came to seek her out.
Speaker A:Eventually, she took on a more reclusive existence.
Speaker A:Get it?
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:Gavin died four years later to the date of a heart attack.
Speaker A:His landlord found him slumped over on his kitchen table.
Speaker A:Wild King's Cross has installed a plaque dedicated to her on Darlinghurst Road.
Speaker A:Numerous book and films have been made about Rosalind Norton and Eugene Goosens.
Speaker A:Her art probably sells better now than it did back then.
Speaker A:The auctions that I looked at, you can get individual pieces like her illustrations.
Speaker A:I saw those going for about like 2 to 500.
Speaker A:So somewhat in kind of a reach, I guess.
Speaker A:But the actual paintings are in the thousands.
Speaker A:Nothing I didn't see anything like over, like 25k, but still like my research.
Speaker A:But, you know, I still think a decent.
Speaker A:A decent thing for a dead artist who, you know, has been dead for 50 years to be going.
Speaker B:And sadly, a lot of artists like that post humorously is when they get there their most valid.
Speaker A:Posthumously.
Speaker B:Posthumously.
Speaker A:Post humorously is also.
Speaker A:Is also good.
Speaker B:No, that's not what I meant at all.
Speaker A:I know, but I like it.
Speaker B:I don't know why I like it.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:I know the word too.
Speaker B:My brain just didn't.
Speaker B:Couldn't do it to my.
Speaker B:To my mouth.
Speaker B:You're just.
Speaker A:You're in humor, so.
Speaker A:And I know all of you are kind of curious about what was in these letters, and so we're gonna save that next week.
Speaker A:As you know, we normally take a break in between our episodes, so we're gonna drop a little bit of more lore and I will be going over what's in those.
Speaker B:Salacious.
Speaker A:Third time I said salacious.
Speaker B:Now it's four.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:What's in those letters.
Speaker A:And so maybe we'll hear more about how people get sexually stimulated by having a tongue put into their sexual organ.
Speaker A:So hot.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:That's why we get an E for explicit.
Speaker A:So, all right, so back to Robina.
Speaker A:And, you know, she's just like, hey, like, I need to get some for this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She's like, nope.
Speaker B:Now, instead, since you can't, apparently, because you failed at killing Crowley, instead, I want guaranteed freedom.
Speaker B:And I want to take the Codex with me when, After I do this for you, I know exactly which spell to use.
Speaker B:And Cassiel tells Sam that this is a mistake, but we all know Sam's gonna do it anyways, so.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And Cass is just like, dude, hello.
Speaker A:Bad idea.
Speaker A:Bad idea.
Speaker B:Yeah, we saved deeds.
Speaker B:Dean is with poor dead Rose's parents, and they're talking about her longtime friend Crystal and talking about how shy Rose was.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And their picture of them.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, it's just, like, sweet baby angels.
Speaker A:Like, just together.
Speaker A:Like, they're so cute.
Speaker A:And he's just so bad.
Speaker A:And then, like, then it gets worse.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because Dean's like, well, obviously, the way she was dressed, she was trying to have intercourse with whoever did this.
Speaker B:And dad gets pissed.
Speaker B:Rightfully so.
Speaker A:Well, Dean is also accusing him of beating his wife and fucking his daughter.
Speaker B:It's so gross and awkward.
Speaker B:Dean is off the rails.
Speaker A:But, I mean, I also think he may not be wrong based on, like, some of the pictures and the things that were in there.
Speaker A:So the dad accuses Dean of slut shaming, and then Dean uses skank in a wrong way.
Speaker A:But he's like, look, you know, she was trying to get out of here, and she went right into the arms of a vampire.
Speaker B:Well, he keeps.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, but he's punching.
Speaker B:Or he goes.
Speaker B:He provokes the dad by asking who did this?
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And, like, the dad is just, like, punching him in the face.
Speaker B:And he just, like, doesn't react and kept asking, who does this?
Speaker B:It's really weird.
Speaker B:And then see, like, little bro in the background.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then Dean pulls a gun on him.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then he leaves.
Speaker A:Then he pulls a gun on the kid.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's like, kids, like, whoa, don't shoot me.
Speaker B:By the way, my sister and her friend definitely went to this creepy cabin where these guys said they were gonna fix it up, but really, I think they just want to sit around and drink beer.
Speaker B:But we all know vampires.
Speaker B:And he's like, how the do you know about this place?
Speaker B:Like, well, I took Them there.
Speaker A:Oops.
Speaker B:And that's why I didn't tell the cops.
Speaker A:He didn't tell the cops because he didn't want to get in trouble so bad, brother.
Speaker B:That's not very nice.
Speaker A:It is not.
Speaker A:So then we go to our hideout and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that means something made by God but forbidden to man.
Speaker A:And it's probably offensive to some language somewhere, but that means the forbidden fruit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Rowena has given the shopping list of ingredients to them.
Speaker B:And that's first ingredient, forbidden fruit.
Speaker B:Second one is the golden calf Goes a golden calf.
Speaker A:Sound like a fast food place.
Speaker B:Wasn't it in.
Speaker A:Oh, that's in Dogma.
Speaker B:Dogma.
Speaker A:Well, but that's like old and new.
Speaker A:Yeah, okay.
Speaker A:That's why.
Speaker A:That is why it sounds like.
Speaker A:Because it was because Kevin Smith made it a thing then.
Speaker A:And that translates to my heart.
Speaker A:But Rowita doesn't have a heart.
Speaker B:You have to sacrifice something you love.
Speaker B:Which is hard when you don't love anything.
Speaker B:And Cass is like, there's no way.
Speaker B:You really don't love anything.
Speaker B:So he touches her forehead and we see a flashback to her.
Speaker B:A little.
Speaker B:A little Polish boy with a goat waving.
Speaker B:And this is my Polish boy.
Speaker A:Has a first name is O S K A R.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Oskar is kicking it with a goat.
Speaker B:And so Cass asks her about Oscar and she is distraught that he could even see this.
Speaker B:And all she really says is that his family helped her 300 years ago.
Speaker B:He doesn't want to get it.
Speaker B:She doesn't really share too, too terribly much about it.
Speaker B:But in the middle of this, Rudy calls Sam and is like, Dean is off the deep end.
Speaker B:Or I'm trying to take on this Fang banger case in Nebraska and gang of thing.
Speaker B:Gang of Fang.
Speaker B:And he is not playing well with others.
Speaker B:And I will send you all the details about where we are right fucking now.
Speaker B:Because I'm mad at Dean.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:So, so he's giving.
Speaker A:So now Sam knows where Dean is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Then he goes to Cass.
Speaker A:He's like, hey, Cass, have a really gross bag of hair.
Speaker B:Because I have a lock of Dean's hair.
Speaker B:I'm walking around.
Speaker A:No, it's not just a lock.
Speaker A:It's a bag.
Speaker A:It's a full on bag of hair.
Speaker A:One, if that was actually Jensen Ackles hair, how much money could we sell that for?
Speaker A:Two, how did he get that hair?
Speaker A:I'm hoping it was hairbrush.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's not that long.
Speaker A:Like is it from like a barber thing?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I think maybe it was cut three how long have you been carrying around a sack of hair?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker A:Ew.
Speaker A:Sack of hair.
Speaker A:A sack of hair is so gross.
Speaker A:It's just been in its pocket.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:Not good.
Speaker A:So, yeah, we go from the sad sack of hair to the cabin by the creek.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Where a vampire is washing his bloody hands in a trough on the porch.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's weird, but.
Speaker A:Whiskey barrel thing.
Speaker A:Because, like, I was like, I guess it's a cabin.
Speaker A:They haven't brought in water.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Dean's gonna cut his head off, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker B:Inside, Crystal is there, and she is tied up.
Speaker B:A vampire named Reggie has Rudy in a headlock as a hostage.
Speaker B:So they knew Dean was coming.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, nope, Not.
Speaker B:Not gonna leave.
Speaker B:Not gonna let this go.
Speaker B:And I don't really think Reggie's gonna kill Rudy, so I'm just gonna go this thing along.
Speaker B:Guess what happens?
Speaker A:Kills.
Speaker A:Kills him.
Speaker B:Reggie kills Rudy.
Speaker B:It is up.
Speaker B:And so Dean just calmly beheads Reggie and frees Crystal.
Speaker A:And Crystal.
Speaker A:He breaks Crystal.
Speaker B:Yeah, she is broken because she is very upset.
Speaker B:She's like, you could have, like, done anything, and he wouldn't have killed him, but you just let him do it.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, whatever.
Speaker B:And he's just gonna.
Speaker A:The vampire clearly did not want to kill him.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:It was real weird.
Speaker B:So Dean just leaves and goes back to the motel.
Speaker B:And he's washing his hands.
Speaker B:And as he's washing his hands, he's looking in the mirror.
Speaker B:And first he sees the beaten and bloody cast.
Speaker B:Then he sees dead Rudy.
Speaker B:And then he rages out and destroys the motel room.
Speaker A: He lives my: Speaker A:And it's just not the same Now.
Speaker A:You can't do it today.
Speaker A:It's not like.
Speaker A:Like it's there.
Speaker A:It would just go on my credit card.
Speaker A:Like, no, this is the way you have to do it.
Speaker A:Like, motel room trashes out of the place.
Speaker A:You paid in cash.
Speaker A:You're gone, and you've ruined that motel over his life.
Speaker A:But, man, that looks satisfying.
Speaker B:So in the meantime, Sam has made it to the vampire cabin.
Speaker B:So he's made really good time, apparently, because it, like, Crystal's still there.
Speaker A:Alaska.
Speaker B:That's not that far from Kansas.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I mean, well, Crystal is in the ambulance.
Speaker B:And is that far.
Speaker B:Oh, I have to map it.
Speaker A:I know geography feels.
Speaker A:I've been to both places.
Speaker A:Not at the same time.
Speaker B:I think they.
Speaker B:They border, so.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:No, but Crystal is Sitting in the back of an ambulance, repeating, let him die.
Speaker B:Because him died.
Speaker B:Yeah, he definitely broke her.
Speaker B:Inside the cabin.
Speaker B:The sheriff wants Sam to explain because Crystal says his.
Speaker B:The other agent, quote, came in hot, got the.
Speaker B:His partner killed, and then went samurai.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, that seems confusing to the sheriff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Terrence is like the.
Speaker A:And what the hell is going on with the FBI?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:We cut from that to the crossroads.
Speaker A:I'm surprised he isn't called in somebody else.
Speaker A:So we go to a crossroads, and there is Cass.
Speaker B:Cass at the crossroads.
Speaker B:And he has summoned Crowley.
Speaker B:And there's jokes about how he's not in his contact list, but he.
Speaker B:Cass wants Crowley.
Speaker A:Who summons anymore?
Speaker B:Yeah, he wants Crowley's assistance in removing the mark.
Speaker B:And Crowley's like, what?
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Sam tried to kill me.
Speaker B:I have no interest in helping.
Speaker B:And Castiel starts to threaten him.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But Crowley's like, no, not gonna work.
Speaker B:So you have to back you.
Speaker A:You need to blast or beg, which is a title of Dusty LS X Sex Team.
Speaker A:So Cass gives King Crowley because Crowley, remember, he got his groove back.
Speaker A:And he's very.
Speaker A:He's like, I'm super powerful.
Speaker A:I'm King Valley, and here's my shopping list.
Speaker A:And so Crowley starts looking through his list, and he points out that it was probably not an apple that Eve ate, but it was probably a quince.
Speaker A:And quince is older than apple and likely the forbidden fruit in all the ancient texts, like golden apple.
Speaker A:Pears gave Aphrodite Quince, not an apple.
Speaker A:But quince's raw quince is really astringent and hard to eat and disgusting.
Speaker A:And it becomes soft and good, like when you cook it.
Speaker A:And it may provide relief from nausea and vomiting associated with pregnancy, protect against cancer, lower cholesterol, regulate blood pressure and health inflammatory skin.
Speaker B:Is that a superfood, Liz?
Speaker A:I guess so.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:You get one.
Speaker A:I don't think I've ever seen a quince.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like, I've seen quince paste.
Speaker A:That's delicious, you know?
Speaker A:But, like.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, it's a wine thing.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I don't think I've seen, like, Even in, like, Whole Foods.
Speaker A:I don't think I've ever seen a quince.
Speaker A:Anyways, so.
Speaker A:But that.
Speaker A:That ad was brought to you by the National Council for Coins.
Speaker A:So Crowley is going to get what's left.
Speaker B:Big Quince.
Speaker B:Big Quince is at it again.
Speaker A:Big Quince is at it again.
Speaker A:So Crowley is also like, I can get what's left of the golden calf, but Something.
Speaker A:But something Rowena loves.
Speaker B:Yeah, his.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Cass has got his ideas there, and all Crowley says is, I'm in.
Speaker A:So then we go back to Nebraska, where Sam is driving around and he's just looking for Baby.
Speaker A:Which I think is an appropriate way to look for Dean in a small town.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:And he finds the Impala parked at the motel.
Speaker B:And he knocks on the door, breaks in and sees a destroyed and deserted room with a note on the bed that says, she's all yours.
Speaker B:And Baby's keys.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:It's so dramatic and sad.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A:So he has stolen a Kia or a Ford.
Speaker A:I don't know if you got.
Speaker B:Whatever that car was, it was not worth my energy, so.
Speaker A:But we go into Juan's Quan's Mexican Restaurant.
Speaker B:I thought it was Juanitas.
Speaker B:Juanitas.
Speaker A:I started calling it once.
Speaker B:It's an abandoned Mexican restaurant, that's for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he is making a spell.
Speaker A:Mortem.
Speaker A:Oh, Death, I summon thee.
Speaker A:I bind thee under my power for now and ever.
Speaker B:And guess who's there?
Speaker A:Death.
Speaker A:Because that's who we summoned.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:It worked.
Speaker B:That's all.
Speaker B:Because that's doesn't always want to visit with the Winchesters these days.
Speaker B:So Death is immediately says, don't tell me that's queso.
Speaker B:Because, I mean, we all love queso, and we know Death loves good food.
Speaker B:So Dean has made queso taquitos and tamales, homemade.
Speaker B:Now, I'm gonna call out, I don't think he had time to make tamales.
Speaker B:But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker B:But he points out, there with the bad fat.
Speaker A:I want it all.
Speaker B:He wants Death to kill him.
Speaker B:Because after the queso.
Speaker B:Yeah, after the queso.
Speaker B:And that's like eating.
Speaker B:But he's like, so I've been burned by Winchester's many times before.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, yeah, but I have the Mark now.
Speaker B:And I've been trying to fight it or beat it, and I can't.
Speaker B:And Death.
Speaker B:Death's like, I'm pretty surprised about this, but I'm not gonna kill you, because that's the first curse.
Speaker B:Nothing can kill that.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, well, then can you get rid of it?
Speaker B:And that's like, I could.
Speaker B:But here's what you don't know about the Mark.
Speaker A:Creatio ex nihilo, elo.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So Phil Collins and Genesis were wrong.
Speaker A:God did not create the Earth out of nothing.
Speaker A:There was something there before.
Speaker B:And before Light and archangels.
Speaker B:There was this amoral darkness.
Speaker A:And the darkness.
Speaker A:I believe in a thing.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:You're gonna have a whole season of that coming.
Speaker A:So the darkness is a horrible, destructive, amoral force that God and his angels beat back in a war and was locked away to do no harm.
Speaker A:The mark is its lock and key that was entrusted to his most valuable.
Speaker A:You, lieutenant Lucifer.
Speaker A:But the mark had a mind of its own.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is weird and creepy, but okay.
Speaker A:But it corrupted Lucifer and sent Lucifer to help.
Speaker A:So the mark is the entire reason that there is a Lucifer and a hell and demons and all that is all because of that mark and what it was there to lock away.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So which is even just layers of cuckoo, like, right.
Speaker B:This is so bonkers.
Speaker B:Because he was.
Speaker B:Made him jealous of man.
Speaker B:And that's why he ended up.
Speaker B:Lucifer got sent down there.
Speaker B:And then he was passed the mark to Cain.
Speaker B:Lucifer did.
Speaker B:And then now, obviously, Kane has passed the mark to.
Speaker B:To Dean.
Speaker B:And it is the proverbial finger in the dike to lock in.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:To lock.
Speaker A:I didn't put that in my nose because I.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:I can't say that without giggling.
Speaker B:So to lock up the Darkness.
Speaker B:The darkness.
Speaker B:So he could remove it, but only if it would, he was to share it with somebody else.
Speaker B:I guess to put it on someone else.
Speaker B:You can't just, like.
Speaker B:You can't just, like, wash it off.
Speaker B:You have to go give it to somebody.
Speaker A:Why can't he give it to, like, a fish?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Because they don't live very long, probably.
Speaker B:Well, I guess they live.
Speaker A:Well, the fish would die.
Speaker A:It'd be an immortal fish.
Speaker B:I mean, like you could put in a bowl.
Speaker A:Yeah, let's put.
Speaker A:Put it on a fish.
Speaker A:So solved.
Speaker B:So then the lock remains unbroken.
Speaker B:Darkness is bound.
Speaker B:That's the whole thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, but Dean's just like, nah, I can't.
Speaker A:I can't do this to another person.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's like, this shit's too bad for that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:Death's like, well, I could just, like, relocate you somewhere else.
Speaker B:Like, not on Earth, but where you wouldn't be a danger to other people.
Speaker B:So like, not outer space, but outer space.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Some other universe.
Speaker B:And so we see.
Speaker A:Does he get cable?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, maybe.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Maybe it's different cable.
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker A:So does he stop needing to eat?
Speaker A:Like, how does he get fed there?
Speaker A:Because he's still eating and drinking.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, Sam, we see Sam leaving the motel.
Speaker B:And Dean calls him and tells Sam that he gave it a shot.
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:You know, there's this whole.
Speaker B:This, you know, things are up.
Speaker B:But Sam is like, you know, I didn't.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:That wasn't you that the case up.
Speaker B:It's okay.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, brother, I'm done.
Speaker B:Brother, I'm done.
Speaker B:It just sounds so.
Speaker A:So final.
Speaker A:So he says, get a pen.
Speaker A:It's time to say goodbye.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we cut to the diner from the last episode.
Speaker B:The super cute mid century with Starburst Diner.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we see Seth pouring some coffee.
Speaker B:Our little barista.
Speaker B:Not really barista.
Speaker B:He's a waiter.
Speaker B:And we hear a shattering noise.
Speaker B:Crowley's there.
Speaker B:Everyone's either dead or unconscious.
Speaker B:Not sure it's Crowley.
Speaker B:Could be.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Crowley wants to tell a story about an evil slash witch.
Speaker A:There's a story that a hamster told him.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And this hamster or the.
Speaker B:The hamster.
Speaker B:Hamster.
Speaker B:The witch left her son and her family.
Speaker B:And she was starving and homeless.
Speaker B:It got taken in by this kind Polish family.
Speaker B:And Polish people rule.
Speaker B:Yes, they do.
Speaker B:And it was the first kindness she'd experienced.
Speaker B:But they had an 8 year old son and he.
Speaker B:She was very fond of him.
Speaker B:But the eight year old son was terminally ill.
Speaker B:And when as she got better, she cared for him so much that she cured him and gave him a gift.
Speaker B:Seth.
Speaker A:The gift of immortality.
Speaker B:Seth is an immortal Oscar.
Speaker A:And he spends his immortal time working in a diner.
Speaker B:Well, he travels the world.
Speaker B:He has a skill set.
Speaker B:And stay occupied and travel around which.
Speaker A:He'S like, I can go anywhere.
Speaker A:He learned to make a burger.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker B:But I mean like he must not have made very good investments because he still hasn't had enough money to make it to Asia.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's weird.
Speaker A:Well, I think he's just.
Speaker A:Maybe he owns a diner.
Speaker A:Maybe that's his diner, you know.
Speaker A:So I don't know.
Speaker A:So we'll talk about his finances later.
Speaker A:So we go from that back to Juan's or Juanitas.
Speaker A:And that is for sale.
Speaker A:And the price is reduced.
Speaker B:And Sam goes in to find Dean and death waiting for him.
Speaker B:And Sam is very upset.
Speaker B:He's insisting Dean doesn't need to die because remember he's obsessed with save Gene.
Speaker B:That's his whole mission of this episode.
Speaker B:And so he's like, you know, he's trying to like talk about it.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, look, I thought the only way out for it was for me to die.
Speaker B:However, I've come to a new conclusion.
Speaker A:Going to space.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Or it's you.
Speaker B:And Because Death's like, nope, Dean can't be killed and the Mark can't be destroyed.
Speaker B:So we need to remove Dean from the playing field, and we can do that.
Speaker B:However, you will not rest until your brother is free and free of the Mark.
Speaker B:And we can't have that happen.
Speaker B:So Sam has to die is what, the summer.
Speaker A:And I'm still mad at you about the time you stood beyond.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the.
Speaker B:So Dean and Death have come to the agreement that Dean's gonna go to La La Land and Sam has to die.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:That's the plan now.
Speaker A:That's the plan.
Speaker A:That's the plan.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, come on, Sam.
Speaker A:You're selfish if you don't.
Speaker B:If you don't play along, you're selfish.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:It's the only way it won't hurt anybody.
Speaker B:So we cut back to the.
Speaker B:The hideout where Crowley is visiting Castiel and Rowena.
Speaker B:And he's got his ingredients, including the quince, which is.
Speaker B:He got with an IOU to a Palestinian warlock.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:A piece of the calf.
Speaker B:He could be hung for sexual deviancy if he shows his face in Jordan again.
Speaker A:I almost put Lore there.
Speaker A:I went back and forth.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, but no, I had to be with Ruby.
Speaker B:And third, he says, what have I done to deserve a mother who doesn't.
Speaker B:Who doesn't love or a mother incapable of loving?
Speaker B:You know, I felt free when I thought she just was incapable of loving anything.
Speaker B:Because then that's why she didn't love me.
Speaker B:Obviously.
Speaker B:However, that's not it.
Speaker B:It's not that she's incapable of love.
Speaker B:She just didn't love me as her son.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Ta da.
Speaker B:Look who I have, and it's Oscar.
Speaker B:And Rowena's talking.
Speaker B:She's like.
Speaker B:She's like, no, I've never loved anything until she sees him.
Speaker A:Oh, and she was also grading either the quince or the calf.
Speaker A:Like, on, like, the thing.
Speaker A:The thing I use to get, like, lemon skin off.
Speaker B:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker A:So we go back to our Mexican restaurant, and Dean is like, hey, Sam, remember the time you're at the gates of hell?
Speaker A:Ray died for the greater good.
Speaker A:That was the right idea.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, yeah, and you stopped me.
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah, I shouldn't have.
Speaker B:He's like, I just.
Speaker B:You know, we talk about doing this family business, but maybe the world would be better without us in it.
Speaker B:Evil tracks us at this point.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, I.
Speaker B:We are good.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:You know, we are.
Speaker B:The mark is evil, but we're not.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, how is it not evil to let Rudy die?
Speaker B:And, you know, who were you, Sam, when you drove that guy to sell his soul and, you know, bullied Charlie into getting herself killed.
Speaker B:And, you know, you just want to remove this mark, no matter what the consequences are, and you're willing to risk the darkness.
Speaker B:So, yeah, we.
Speaker B:We aren't.
Speaker B:So we aren't so good.
Speaker A:I ain't not wrong.
Speaker B:And, yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:He's like, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's an interesting going back and forth and morality of which of them is evil, which of them is good.
Speaker A:Dean's all skewed.
Speaker A:Sam's still up.
Speaker A:And so Sam is arguing that because Dean summoned death to stop him from doing harm and brought Sam there to protect him, that's what a good man does.
Speaker A:So inherently, you are still a good man, Dean Winchester.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And the response to that is.
Speaker B:There'S no other way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No other way.
Speaker B:So Sam punches him in the face.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean's happy about it because he's.
Speaker A:Glad to fight and he wants to fight.
Speaker B:And he punches him back in the hideout.
Speaker B:Rowena wants to look away.
Speaker B:She is trying to pretend like she's not having an emotional reaction to seeing Oscar.
Speaker A:I was like, but her sacrifice has a first name, and it's O S K A R.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she.
Speaker B:But she also lets it show a little bit because she tells Crowley, calls him Fergus and said, this is a new low.
Speaker B:And he says, only if you go through with it.
Speaker A:And we go.
Speaker A:We cut back from there.
Speaker A:And the Winchesters are brawling.
Speaker A:But Dean, of course, has the upper.
Speaker B:Hand because he's got Mark strength.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, you're just never gonna have me say that.
Speaker B:That's because it's not you.
Speaker B:And, yeah, he's.
Speaker A:You never say anything but that you.
Speaker B:Are a good person because.
Speaker B:Because whatever that's been bad is not us.
Speaker B:That's not so.
Speaker B:And if he.
Speaker B:If you.
Speaker B:But I agree that you have that Dean needs to be stopped at all costs.
Speaker B:So in that case, do it.
Speaker B:Do it.
Speaker B:So Death gives his scythe to Dean.
Speaker A:I feel like you need to practice with that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It doesn't seem like a weapon that you're just like.
Speaker A:It doesn't feel intuitive.
Speaker B:No, it doesn't.
Speaker B:Because it's not really.
Speaker A:Like, especially how he sits yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam is crying on his knees.
Speaker B:And it's very sad.
Speaker B:Like, this is Right.
Speaker B:This is like an epic level of.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, this is also how Kane said it had to end.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:With.
Speaker A:And this is the Kaden Abel story.
Speaker A:It's brother killing brother.
Speaker A:And so Sam's on the ground crying, and Dean's just like.
Speaker A:Close your eyes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam has in his pocket some of the family photos of them with their mom.
Speaker B:And he wants Dean to keep them so he can find his way back and remember being good and remember love.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:And Death tells Dean that he has to do it so he doesn't become a stain on his family.
Speaker A:And if he doesn't kill Sam, he will.
Speaker A:And Dean just says, forgive me.
Speaker B:And he swings the scythe into Death.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Not Julian.
Speaker A:So he's like, so.
Speaker A:And Death just fucking crumbles because he killed Death.
Speaker A:And, like, because he put it in his stomach, too, and not in his head.
Speaker A:Which is why, again, you need practice with the scythe.
Speaker B:He sticks there for a minute.
Speaker B:You don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker B:It doesn't go through with him.
Speaker A:Like, why does it.
Speaker A:A scythe, like.
Speaker A:Like slice.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:You would think a slice would slice.
Speaker B:It went stabby.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker A:That's very hard to say.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't want to try.
Speaker B:So now Death is gone.
Speaker B:And that seems like that's gonna be a problem.
Speaker B:I'm just saying maybe.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So then we go back to the hideout where Rowena and Oscar are hugging.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she calls herself Auntie to him.
Speaker B:And he's worried that he's hurt her.
Speaker B:And she's like, no.
Speaker B:No one's hurting anybody.
Speaker B:And then she stabs him in the neck.
Speaker B:And blood squirts, like, all over her blood bowl.
Speaker A:And Crowley.
Speaker B:It's real.
Speaker B:Like, it's got.
Speaker A:It's a very weird thing that she put in his neck.
Speaker A:And, like, I'm like, if he's immortal, does this work?
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker B:That's a good question.
Speaker B:I didn't think about that.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But, yeah, she's just pouring him over her blood bowl.
Speaker A:Crowley looks really happy.
Speaker A:Cass can't watch.
Speaker A:She starts chanting.
Speaker A:And then we cut to Dean pulling Sam up.
Speaker B:Ask if he's okay because they just killed Death.
Speaker B:But Rowena's still doing this spell, and she's very upset about it.
Speaker B:She's crying and upset.
Speaker B:And her.
Speaker B:The pan that she is making this in.
Speaker B:Bowl.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Herbal?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is glowing a blue color, and it glows bright.
Speaker B:And then it fakes kind of a ball and shoots up into the ceiling.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:There's just kind of like lightning shooting everywhere.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then it goes all the way from Kansas to Nebraska.
Speaker A:And it shoots into Dean's arm.
Speaker A:And the curse is gone.
Speaker B:And electronically, like.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Looks like lightning on his mark.
Speaker B:And it goes away.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You got his hat.
Speaker A:He got his burn mark removed.
Speaker A:And so that's a new kind of lasering.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Just with lightning.
Speaker A:So then we go back to our hideout where Rowena is just like.
Speaker A:And she throws off her shackles and she freezes Crowley and Cass.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You're there.
Speaker B:She's like, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:You've never really seen a witch with real power before.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Bye.
Speaker B:And so she's out.
Speaker B:Castiel starts bleeding from his eyes and pulls an Angel Blade and tries to attack Crowley.
Speaker A:She threw the attack dog spell on him.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:That was a sad one.
Speaker B:I didn't like it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's going for Crowley with the Angel Blade.
Speaker A:And then we go back to Sam and Dean.
Speaker A:And Sam.
Speaker A:And Dean is like.
Speaker A:I guess this is Sam's.
Speaker A:Like, this is fine.
Speaker B:I guess that was a weird noise.
Speaker B:But everything's fine.
Speaker B:Look, we all good.
Speaker B:And then every.
Speaker B:And then right then we start getting pink lightning striking everywhere.
Speaker B:It's the darkness and then the sky.
Speaker B:And then through those are all.
Speaker B:And it's happening through the sky.
Speaker B:And then black smoke dream snakes.
Speaker B:That's snakes.
Speaker B:That's the other snokes.
Speaker B:Smoke.
Speaker A:Smoke snakes.
Speaker B:Smoke snakes come out of the earth everywhere.
Speaker B:That the lightning hit and go make a giant ball of smoke in the middle of a pasture thing.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's crazy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then they have a baby.
Speaker A:And Dean tries to peel out, but she just gets stuck in the mud.
Speaker B:Because the holes that the lightning made were deep.
Speaker B:And she gets caught in that.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:And the giant smoke snake ball attacks them and encompasses them at the end.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:Baby's really dirty.
Speaker A:That's how we end terrible.
Speaker A:But you know what?
Speaker B:That crazy.
Speaker A:It's time.
Speaker A:Put on your thinking cap, Diana, because it is time for season 10 trivia.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Are you ready?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Let's do it anyways.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Question one.
Speaker A:In episode one, Black, we find Black Eyed Dean singing karaoke.
Speaker A:What song is he singing?
Speaker B:I feel like he did.
Speaker B:There was.
Speaker B:Somewhere in.
Speaker B:There was a right.
Speaker B:Said Fred.
Speaker B:I'm too sexy.
Speaker A:That is it.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So he.
Speaker A:He is too sexy.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna say I also knew the Band name.
Speaker B:And everybody should be shocked by that.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, the hint was right, said Fred.
Speaker A:They were banned for like 20 years before that came out.
Speaker A:So episode two is named Reichenbach.
Speaker A:What the is Reichenbach?
Speaker B:It's something with Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker B:That's all I got.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's pretty close enough.
Speaker A:It is a series of waterfalls in Switzerland where Sherlock Holmes and his nemesis, Professor Moriarty originally meet their ends in the story.
Speaker A:The final problem.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:It's just weird thing that we all learned that that is the Lesson from season 10.
Speaker A:What Breckenbach is.
Speaker A:All right, question number three.
Speaker A:And episode five, fan fiction.
Speaker A:I am not going to make you sing any songs, but I should.
Speaker A:Instead I'm gonna ask you, what is the BM movement?
Speaker A:Oh, I've ruined that one.
Speaker A:We had to pause because on is in the litter box.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Are you done?
Speaker A:Hold on.
Speaker A:Dave can get all his coughing out now, too.
Speaker B:I think he's stopping.
Speaker A:I think she's poop.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker A:I just knew if I didn't you would just hear his loud pee stream that everyone would think I was peeing.
Speaker A:I think she's pooping.
Speaker A:Are you okay?
Speaker A:Do we need to put some more fiber in your diet?
Speaker A:Me?
Speaker A:She looks sad.
Speaker A:I can't go while you're talking to me.
Speaker A:Okay, done.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:What time?
Speaker B:Okay, I'm back in time.
Speaker B:We good?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Question three.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, question three, Episode five, Fan Fiction, where I'm not gonna make you sing any songs, but I should.
Speaker A:Instead, I'm gonna ask you what the BM moment is.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:Ah.
Speaker B:I know what it means, and I'm blanking.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker A:I'll give you a hint about what it stands for.
Speaker A:It's when Dean and Sam.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They talk at the car.
Speaker B:No, it's them talking at the car.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:At the end of the episode.
Speaker B:I know exactly what it is.
Speaker B:I cannot remember what it stands for.
Speaker A:It stands for boy melodrama.
Speaker B:There it is.
Speaker A:You could have just said bowel movement.
Speaker A:I would have given you points.
Speaker A:Points.
Speaker A:All right, so moving on to question four.
Speaker A:Episode seven, Girls, Girls, Girls.
Speaker A:The dead bellhop was played by Matt Kennedy, a fan known for his cosplay as Which ESPN character get a pretty good chance here?
Speaker B:Sam Winchester.
Speaker A:No, it's Castiel.
Speaker B:Ah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:It's really great.
Speaker A:He's really drunk.
Speaker A:All right, question five.
Speaker A:In episode eight, Hipping 91 1, Jody and Donna finally meet.
Speaker A:What does Jody call Donna's ex husband, which almost ruins their friendship.
Speaker B:Oh, that was a good one.
Speaker B:Too.
Speaker B:I want to say she just calls him a dick, but it was better than that.
Speaker A:Kind of a dick.
Speaker B:Kind of.
Speaker A:Kind of a dick.
Speaker B:Kind of a dick.
Speaker B:Okay, okay, half points.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Question six, episode 11, there's no place Like Home.
Speaker A:We learned the tragic background of Charlie.
Speaker A:We also learn her real name.
Speaker A:What is Charlie's real name?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:It still starts with the C.
Speaker B:It's not Catherine.
Speaker A:No, she's not a Catherine.
Speaker A:No, she's a Celeste.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:That's why it felt even less like her.
Speaker B:That's why I think it was okay.
Speaker A:You're coming back.
Speaker A:Coming back.
Speaker A:Question seven, episode 12, about a boy.
Speaker A:Dean reverts to being a teen boy and he finds himself liking what pop star?
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:I'm having the ones where I, like, I know it up, I can, like, see it, and I can't get there even.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, let's go with trying to think era on this one.
Speaker B:We'll go Justin Bieber.
Speaker A:The female Justin Bieber.
Speaker A:Taylor Swift.
Speaker B:Swift maybe a little before her.
Speaker A:So I was like, you can redeem yourself.
Speaker A:What song of hers does you listen to at the end?
Speaker B:Does it shake it off?
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:It's also the only song of her second day, so.
Speaker A:All right, so you made up for that.
Speaker A:All right, number eight.
Speaker A:In episode 16, we explored some new art techniques and paint it black.
Speaker A:What did the ghost Isabella mean when she said I had completely become one with the painting?
Speaker A:And Pierro, what did she do to become one with the painting?
Speaker B:She put her blood and had him, like, put her flesh in the pain.
Speaker A:Yeah, she cut off her finger and then round it up and then paint.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, gross.
Speaker B:Question nine, Painting stink is the question.
Speaker B:Anyways, never mind.
Speaker B:Go ahead.
Speaker A:I mean, does it attract flies?
Speaker A:So episode 17, we got to see inside Bobby's heaven.
Speaker A:What classic country song was he listening to?
Speaker B:What song was playing?
Speaker B:I don't remember.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I wrote it down, too.
Speaker B:Like, I can see Kenny Rogers likes fried chicken.
Speaker B:Oh, is the Gambler.
Speaker A:It is the Gambler.
Speaker A:All right, well, you can try and make it up.
Speaker A:Whose autobiography was he reading?
Speaker B:Oh, Tori Spelling.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:Telly.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:That was the important thing.
Speaker A:All right, and our last question.
Speaker A:Which of these aliases were not used by Sam and Dean in season 10?
Speaker A:Agent Smith and Smith, Paul Freely and Peter.
Speaker A:Chris Osborne and Dickinson, Almond and Betts or Clapton and Page the list one more time.
Speaker B:It was the second one is the.
Speaker A:Paul Freely and Peter Chris.
Speaker B:I think it was that one there's final answer.
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker B:No, it's wrong then.
Speaker B:But I'll just.
Speaker A:That is wrong.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because those are numbers of kiss.
Speaker A:I know that it's Osborne and Dickinson because I talked about the time Sharon Osborne had Iron man and Bruce Dickinson.
Speaker A:A.
Speaker B:That's why that was in my head.
Speaker A:But he did have.
Speaker A:He had Ozzy Osbourne as an ID in his stack.
Speaker A:But he did.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:He did not say he was Osborne ever.
Speaker A:Damn it.
Speaker B:That's what was throwing me off.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Oh, damn it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Fun.
Speaker A:And real quick, before we get to people in the.
Speaker A:In the cast here, just some deleted scenes from this episode.
Speaker A:I just wanted to mention real fast.
Speaker A:So there was a dream sequence from Dean where he was in a bar and his.
Speaker A:His guilt manifested as a bloody Cassiel sitting across from him.
Speaker A:And then Crowley visits him and berates him for not sticking around as his best friend and tells him they complete each other and then disappears there.
Speaker A:Like the beginning of the episode.
Speaker A:There was also.
Speaker A:That was extended.
Speaker A:Sam was cleaning the signs blood off the floor.
Speaker A:And that's when he found the pictures of Mary.
Speaker A:So they cut that part out.
Speaker A:And there was a scene where Cassiel is overseeing Rowena working on deciphering the Book of the Damned.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:Oh, we all found out what it is.
Speaker A:The abandoned distillery.
Speaker A:It is an abandoned distillery that looks like a church.
Speaker B:But anyway.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:She mocks him for believing Crowley would help them.
Speaker A:Cassiel questions why would.
Speaker A:Why Rowena would want to kill her own son.
Speaker A:Rowena goes on to tell him that he and Crowley both suffer from Winchester Derangement Syndrome.
Speaker A:Rowena then muses at how Cassiel and Crowley both have so much power that they squander by ally.
Speaker A:Allying themselves with the Winchesters.
Speaker A:And then he tells her that the relationships he has on earth mean more to him than all the power and glory of being an angel.
Speaker A:And he's cool with where he is.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, I get why they were cut for time, but I supposed to like, kind of wish I'd seen that cast of Rowena scene just because I also like them together.
Speaker B:Well, also, it's very explanatory.
Speaker B:It gives a.
Speaker B:It's like personal character development.
Speaker B:Not they need it, but it's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Good stuff.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Do we have people that we.
Speaker A:Who were acted in this episode?
Speaker B:And we do have some people in this episode.
Speaker B:We've got casting couch.
Speaker A:It's the casting couch.
Speaker A:What they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker B:First up, Rudy was played by Robert Maloney.
Speaker B:He's actually in multiple episodes.
Speaker B:He's been three episodes of Supernatural.
Speaker B: so been in episodes ofx files: Speaker B:He was in the movie Disturbing Behavior as well as man of Steel and in the Revenant.
Speaker B: in the Power Rangers movie in: Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:Joe McKinley.
Speaker B:That's the dad, Rose's dad who gets starts punching D in the face.
Speaker B:That one was played by Roger Haskett.
Speaker B: sodes of x files true calling: Speaker B: Jenkins in the: Speaker B:Mrs.
Speaker B:McKinley was played by Fiona Hogan.
Speaker B:She's been episodes of iZombie and of Travelers.
Speaker B:She was the she's in Freddy Got Fingered.
Speaker B:Remember that movie?
Speaker B:Anyways, she was also in Agent Cody Banks and Irobot.
Speaker B:She's a reoccurring character mentally in the Magicians too.
Speaker B:Crystal Thors.
Speaker B:Crystal Thorson, the other the young lady that was freed.
Speaker B:She was played by Emilia Barinal.
Speaker B:She's been episodes of chilling Adventures of Sabrina and Charmed.
Speaker B:She was Jen, a reoccurring She's a character in the Netflix movies To all the boys I've loved before and and P S I still love you.
Speaker B:And she was Midge Clump in Riverdale, which is almost a dozen episodes of that.
Speaker B:And J.J.
Speaker B:mcKinley, that's our brother who was took Rose and Crystal to the cabin played by Darren Mann.
Speaker B:He's been episodes of Izombie, Wayward Pines and Van Helsing.
Speaker B:He was also Luke in the chilling Adventures of Sabrina, which was a reoccurring character nine episodes.
Speaker B: e recently was Jack Dutton on: Speaker B:He's been over a dozen episodes of that.
Speaker B:A couple other just side note ones.
Speaker B:Reggie, our vampire was played by Jeffrey CR Wallace.
Speaker B:He's been episodes of Izombie, Magicians and Fire Country.
Speaker B:Our sheriff was Played by David Camero.
Speaker B: de of Dynasty and, and in the: Speaker B:So his career is pretty long running fun.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I got.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:All right, so this is how.
Speaker A:This is what you predicted last week was going to happen.
Speaker B:Did you.
Speaker A:Did you predict a former.
Speaker A:A force called the darkness rising up from the, from the.
Speaker A:From now?
Speaker B:Definitely did not predict the darkness.
Speaker B:That was not in my prediction.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know how that could have been.
Speaker B:So it was not.
Speaker B:But yeah, so I guess, you know, we got the, the quote unquote big bad this season was the mark and they got rid of that.
Speaker B:So they beat the big bad.
Speaker A:I guess they beat the mark.
Speaker A:That seems like the weird big bad.
Speaker A:But yep, so the mark has been brought and beaten and blue.
Speaker A:So what's up?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:It was a wild ride.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker B:This one was kind of crazy.
Speaker B:We've.
Speaker B:Really interesting observation, I'd say on the structure of the show is that we've, over several seasons we've departed, we've gotten more and more where the cases are side to the main story.
Speaker B:Does that make sense?
Speaker B:Kind of been the case.
Speaker A:It's still monster of the week, but it's very much less monster of the week.
Speaker B:And it's always kind of been the case because even we were looking for Yellow eyes at the beginning like that.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:It was always kind of that way, but it was more like that was like a, like a sub, like a sub, ongoing story.
Speaker B:But you could, you know, just watch an episode on its own.
Speaker B:And I feel like now you really kind of have to be almost more invested.
Speaker B:It's not like you can just pop in and watch an episode and not, not, not know what's going on.
Speaker B:But that's not nothing that's a bad thing.
Speaker B:It's just an observation that's turned into very, very much a show with a long running underlying story.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But yeah, it's pretty wild, the Sam and Dean dynamic.
Speaker B:It's real weird that suddenly they're like, everything's fine now.
Speaker B:You killed death for me and we're not gonna die together.
Speaker B:And they're like, cool, cool, let's go.
Speaker B:Let's go for a ride.
Speaker B:So I'm interested to see what's gonna happen with that dynamic because I feel like they'd have to face at some point the fact that.
Speaker B:That Dean was a psychopath.
Speaker B:And Sam kind of was too.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, at least as Dean pointed out, he had a reason for being a psychopath.
Speaker A:He had the ancient evil that, you know, made Lucifer.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Running through his veins.
Speaker A:That can kind of make you a dick.
Speaker A:But Sam just was evil.
Speaker B:He just went for it to like.
Speaker B:Because he was so fixated on saving Dean.
Speaker A:It was because his.
Speaker A:His.
Speaker A:He chose his.
Speaker A:His problems over, you know, the greater good.
Speaker A:Sort of.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So that'll be interesting to see how this unfolds as they have to go apparently fight the darkness now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:May assume they're not going to ignore it since it encompass their car.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:They just say they just turned on the radio.
Speaker A:I mean, but I think they probably.
Speaker A:You know, I guess you could have tape in.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Maybe it was the darkness.
Speaker A:I mean, were they.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker A:I'll have to check the date on that.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So we are wrapping on season 10.
Speaker A:Thank you guys for sticking along with us.
Speaker A:And we will.
Speaker A:Well said.
Speaker A:We'll take a break in between this week's.
Speaker A:Next week's episode, but we'll drop in some extra lore in the meantime.
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