11:01 Out of the Darkness, Into the Fire
From nachos to nightmares, it's time for Season 11, Episode 1: Out of the Darkness, Into the Fire. We meet the Darkness! We learn Sam has run out of names for new monsters! Also, everyone has lost the ability to tell the difference between an infection and a monster! We end by discussing the SPN actor Ryan Grantham.
Research Links
- What's the difference between 1st-degree murder, 2nd-degree murder and manslaughter? | CBC News
- From child star to convicted killer: The chilling ‘downward spiral’ of Ryan Grantham | The Independent
- What Ryan Grantham's Introduction To The Prison System Has Been Like
- 'Riverdale' Actor Ryan Grantham Gets Counseling In Prison Hospital, Regrets Murdering Mom
- 12:25:05:427/08077c86b30d4601a9a3e250628e0bd9&searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAOIFJ5YW4gR3JhbnRoYW0AAAAAAQ">2022 BCSC 1827 (CanLII) | R. v Grantham | CanLII
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we kick off a new season with leftover nachos at Juanita's featuring death's queso, the other white meat suit, and delicious baby.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:And I'm Liz.
Speaker A:And we are back with season 11, episode one, out of the darkness, into the fire, out of the.
Speaker A:So how are you?
Speaker B:I'm doing okay.
Speaker B:I think everything is whole.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Everything is a dumpster fire, but I'm doing okay and trying to.
Speaker B:To hang in there last.
Speaker B:Been going to just like trying to keep happy events in my life too.
Speaker B:So, like last Saturday, I went to a herbalism for mental health class at Deja Vu Esoterica, which is one of San Antonio's local witch shops and locally owned and sourced.
Speaker B:And she really does.
Speaker B:She gets a lot of her stuff from a lot of the local, local makers and etc.
Speaker B:And this class was taught by the Medicinal Melange, who she's also eliz.
Speaker B:Well, she's an Elizabeth.
Speaker B:Elizabeth Martin.
Speaker B:And I mean, it was really.
Speaker B:It was a fun class.
Speaker B:We got to learn about, like, different plants that grow in our area that we could then harvest and do other stuff with.
Speaker B:And then we actually got to use her tinctures to make our own little herbalism things.
Speaker B:And additionally to being like an herbal lady, she also is a medical astrologer, which I think is a fascinating thing.
Speaker B:And so she has this podcast called the Medicinal Melange.
Speaker B:And on that she like, does, like, what types of exercise and eating you should do by your sun sign.
Speaker B:And it's really weird because, you know, like, I happy loving skeptic that I am, astrology isn't real because it's something that can't be proven right.
Speaker B:But then if you go and like, listen to the cancer episode, I'm like, yeah, that's definitely sounds like the type of exercise I like to do.
Speaker B:Those are the foods I like to eat, etc.
Speaker B:Etc.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna having her do my chart.
Speaker B:And then I was like, but I want to set aside like half of this time for you just to talk to me about, like, your methodology and like, what books you use and like, how you come to this stuff.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:That's really what I think.
Speaker B:Like, yes, it's fun to look at things and go, oh, yes, I should.
Speaker B:Because it says like, for her when she was talking about cancer, that the exercises.
Speaker B:Because I'm A water sign, you know, that I should like things that are, you know, like swimming, which I do.
Speaker B:I enjoy swimming.
Speaker B:Or things that are less structural, like, like dance or yoga or, you know.
Speaker A:All the fluid movements.
Speaker B:The fluid movements that, you know, the circus things that I improved and, you know, and I really need challenges and stuff like that.
Speaker B:She'll be like, you know, like, Aries really needs to just, like, go out there, like, pound their workout.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Facts.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's just.
Speaker B:I think it's interesting.
Speaker A:I don't want it to be long.
Speaker A:I want to go in there and I'm gonna go hit a workout hard and I want to be done.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, I mean, I.
Speaker B:I encourage you to go listen to it just to see like, if it like, clicks and it just.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think it's fascinating.
Speaker B:Again, I am a skeptic.
Speaker B:And the reason why I think that astrology, the reason I say this is from a scientific.
Speaker B:From a scientific method.
Speaker B:There has never been a repeatable study that has shown that the, the astrology is true.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, I could.
Speaker B:I could take, you know, 100 people born, like, if we were all born in the same place at the same time, like, we' not exactly the same.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And also, most of it's just made up.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But it's like, literally, because there wasn't stuff there, right.
Speaker B:So people just made things up, which is why I'm like, tell me, like, historical, like, sources and stuff.
Speaker B:But I'm not calling her out.
Speaker B:I just want to know, like, because she seemed like a very.
Speaker B:No, bullshitty.
Speaker B:She has like a phrase that's woo, woo, not dulu, which I just think is adorable.
Speaker A:That is cute.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I just, you know, kind of.
Speaker B:It's always fun to meet a new local personality.
Speaker B:And then also at that, at that workshop, there was the.
Speaker B:A person who is going to be teaching my broomstick workshop in a couple of weeks, which I'm very excited about, which will be learning how to make brooms, which are just a fun, crafty, crafty thing.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then I learned by shocking surprise that the Addams Family is a musical and that it exists and that it's coming to San Antonio.
Speaker B:So I am going to see the Addams Family musical tomorrow night.
Speaker B:And I hope it's just delightful and awful at the same time.
Speaker B:And my expectations are very low.
Speaker B:But in a good way.
Speaker A:Yeah, entertaining low.
Speaker B:I just want to see some weird, ooky, kooky stuff.
Speaker B:So I'm really excited about, like, that mental escape that's happening tomorrow.
Speaker A:That sounds fun.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Even though I had to take a zoom call in.
Speaker B:In the car, like, on the way.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, sometimes we have to do that.
Speaker B:What about you?
Speaker B:What have you been up to?
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:I've been watching a dog poop a lot.
Speaker A:I had a sick dog.
Speaker A:Not because I won't enjoy that because it's not my.
Speaker B:It's not her finish.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's not a hobby or a fetish.
Speaker A:It was that a dog was unwell and he was pooping a lot.
Speaker A:A lot.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's been my excitement.
Speaker A:Sick husband and sick dog fun.
Speaker A:But, yeah, no, I'm.
Speaker A:I just been working a lot and getting ready to go on a family trip to Branson, Missouri.
Speaker A:So I can't wait to fill everybody in on Girl Branson.
Speaker B:I just hope it's, like, sleazy and, like, full of sex workers and people on heroin.
Speaker A:I think we're gonna be, like, hanging out at a nice lake house.
Speaker A:So I don't think that that's where we're gonna be, like, visiting in Branson, but you never know.
Speaker B:Well, for those of you.
Speaker B:Those of you who don't know the legends of Branson, it's that, you know, it's basically a very shiny, happy place and super sat like, sappy, clean family fun.
Speaker B:So I really hope it's the opposite.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I mean, you know, get a leg day and it'll be fine.
Speaker B:No, the lake day will be great.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's about it in my little world here.
Speaker A:Getting ready for.
Speaker A:I have a younger sibling that has a milestone birthday this year.
Speaker A:So we are in preparation for that, which will be fun too.
Speaker B:Oh, that should be fun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she can stop making fun of me.
Speaker B:Ha.
Speaker A:Anyways, but yeah, that's what I got.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:Well, let's start talking about this episode and out of the Darkness into the Fire is a very long title and is the name of a song by the Canadian hard rock and heavy metal band Moxie and could also be referred to the phrase out of the frying pan into the fire, which is used to denote going from a bad situation to a worse one.
Speaker B:That's according to the Supernatural Wiki.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:It was directed by by the illuminary illustrious Robert Singer and was written by.
Speaker B:As we learned last episode in season 10, the first episode of the season we written by Jeremy Carver because he also he's been writing the last and the first Things we learned because didn't pay attention.
Speaker B:And now we did.
Speaker A:So now we know.
Speaker B:And also in, you know, in supernatural tradition, there is a new title card this season, but this is the first time the number 11, like, the number actually shows on it.
Speaker B:So 11 flashed on the screen briefly.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:Was there a road so far?
Speaker B:Did Netflix cut that shit off again?
Speaker B:Motherfucker.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:Like, I have to go back and watch that.
Speaker B:We're gonna have to drop it, like, find it on YouTube and drop it, like.
Speaker B:And then everybody has to go watch it together.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:Those are the plague.
Speaker B:I hate the fact that Netflix took that out because it's the.
Speaker B:It's really good, and it makes you feel emotional and ready for the start of the season.
Speaker B:So after you listen to this podcast, go back and go watch the opening to that and yell at Netflix that that's stupid.
Speaker A:I agree.
Speaker B:I don't know what rights thing.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker B:Why that.
Speaker B:How that is somewhere in a contract.
Speaker B:I know it's because it's a fucking contract.
Speaker B:Fix it.
Speaker B:Bring that back.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Maybe somebody asked that at a panel that.
Speaker A:Hey, there you go.
Speaker B:That's a.
Speaker B:That's a good panel question.
Speaker B:Not, what kind of fucking sandwich are you.
Speaker B:If you could only eat one ice cream flavor for the rest of your life, what ice cream would you eat?
Speaker B:Okay, sorry.
Speaker B:We'll stop making fun of the I love you fans.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Y' all have wonderful Q A questions for everybody.
Speaker B:They're all full of love, and they're all very good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:So we open.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:With Dean Winchester standing inside the swirling black cloud of the darkness.
Speaker B:And he's very confused.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:As we all are.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And this chick's there, and she got her back to him, and she turns and looks at him.
Speaker A:And then we cut to the inside of Baby, where it's now daylight, and Sam's there, and the car's dirty.
Speaker A:The horn's going off.
Speaker A:Sam's alone, and he gets out, pulls the horn wire and has a flashback to the car getting overtaken by the darkness cloud.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then he starts yelling for Dean.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean's in a bunch of pretty flowers.
Speaker B:I saw some yarrow, and there's some kind of thistle in there.
Speaker B:I was probably, like, poking him in the butt.
Speaker A:Probably.
Speaker A:And I'm sure that's very itchy.
Speaker A:He is gonna have a rash.
Speaker B:He's gonna have the reaction like I did after I did yard work.
Speaker B:So the first thing, though, he asks when he sees Sam is like, where's the Baby, where's the car?
Speaker A:He's a full mile away.
Speaker A:Which, also, Sam found him really fast for being a mile away, not knowing which direction to go.
Speaker A:But anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, and that calling Dean.
Speaker B:Dean, like, you know, like this.
Speaker B:The sonar, like, bounced off and.
Speaker B:Anyhow, yes.
Speaker B:Dean got twistered.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Dean, like, doesn't seem to remember the Darkness at all.
Speaker A:But then he does.
Speaker A:He has a flashback.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Sam said.
Speaker B:Sam does say the Dark.
Speaker B:There's so many, like, good lines in here.
Speaker B:The Darkness hit, which is the title of my next album.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So we get a lot of flashbacks to explain things to you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:She saved me.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:He was saved by the Darkness.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then we go back to Juanitas.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:It was not Juan's.
Speaker B:It was Juanita's restaurant.
Speaker B:I want to know if the queso was still there.
Speaker A:I know, right?
Speaker A:Like, where are death snacks?
Speaker B:Because he.
Speaker B:I don't think he finished them.
Speaker A:That was a lot of snacks.
Speaker B:He died before he got through all those taquitos for sure.
Speaker A:So Dean doesn't remember how he got out of the car.
Speaker A:And she says that the Darkness thanked him for setting her free.
Speaker A:And there was just, like, this really focused energy.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And Sam tries to argue that he's the one who set her free, which, frankly, is true.
Speaker B:But Dean's just like, maybe it's because of the Mark.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So apparently they were like.
Speaker A:But she's been away, been locked away since the beginning of time.
Speaker A:And so what does she know about, like, today?
Speaker A:I mean, does she even know?
Speaker A:Either way, we gotta put her back no matter what it takes.
Speaker B:And the shoe's been locked up so long that she may not even know what a cheeseburger is.
Speaker B:Which is sad.
Speaker A:It is sad.
Speaker B:This show makes me so hungry.
Speaker B:All right, so then we go to, what, like, a farmer's wooden shed?
Speaker B:Is that What?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:As I said, it's like a weird little, like, shed cabin.
Speaker B:How.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:It is Hutch.
Speaker B:Billy built an out thing to shake.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:To put away his.
Speaker B:So he's in a shed.
Speaker B:He's in a wooden shed.
Speaker B:And it's Cass.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Who's.
Speaker B:Who's in there.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker A:Cass is in a shed.
Speaker B:Cass is in a shed.
Speaker B:And he still has his bloody eyes.
Speaker B:And now he is having flashbacks.
Speaker B:Yeah, everyone's just having flashbacks this episode.
Speaker B:Don't take the brown acid.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker A:Very flashbacky episode.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So he is still under this dog spell thingy.
Speaker A:The attack dog.
Speaker A:Spell that Rowena put him under.
Speaker A:And he is flashing back to when he attacks Crowley and stabbed him in.
Speaker B:The back, rather uncle climatically.
Speaker B:It's just like.
Speaker B:I'm just like.
Speaker B:But there's like.
Speaker A:He's a weird savvy.
Speaker B:It's a weird stabby.
Speaker B:And Crowley just.
Speaker B:I guess because he has the immovable spell.
Speaker B:He just of.
Speaker B:Kind.
Speaker B:Kind of goes thunk.
Speaker A:Lays down.
Speaker B:Lays down.
Speaker B:And then like he just, you know, the side of the mouth there just like, I'm gonna go away.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So he.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He gets his little red.
Speaker A:Red smokes out of his mouth and sneaks away down the drain.
Speaker A:But Castiel has a farmer in his.
Speaker A:Two young boys looking for him because apparently he's like, killed a dog or something.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, it looks like he hurt their dog.
Speaker B:So Cass.
Speaker B:I mean, you may have whatever this is coming, so.
Speaker B:But then one of them goes in the shed and Cass is like, don't make me hurt you.
Speaker B:I can't help myself.
Speaker A:And it tells him to run.
Speaker A:And the kid doesn't bold.
Speaker A:And so he grabs Cass, grabs a shotgun, makes it fire at the ceiling and runs.
Speaker A:And then gets chased by everybody with them.
Speaker A:While shooting at him.
Speaker B:No, no, he doesn't get chased far.
Speaker B:Like, they go like a couple of steps and they start shooting him.
Speaker B:And then they're just like.
Speaker B:I think like, I don't want to run.
Speaker B:Which I understand.
Speaker B:I mean, I just be like, yeah, he's gone.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was like, I really don't want to deal.
Speaker B:Like, I don't really want to deal with the bloody red eye guy.
Speaker B:Like, I don't.
Speaker B:Like, if he goes just.
Speaker B:I'll call somebody.
Speaker B:And that could be their problem.
Speaker B:Like, but he's off my property now, right?
Speaker A:That not my problem then.
Speaker A:Is that what we go with?
Speaker A:So Sam, Dean and Baby have gotten out of the hole made by the darkness coming out of the ground that Baby was stuck in.
Speaker A:And, you know, they had to be.
Speaker B:A pain in the ass.
Speaker B:They all got muddy.
Speaker B:It's probably hot though.
Speaker B:They probably take off their shirts and then they were all like, covered in mud.
Speaker B:It was a fleet anyways.
Speaker B:So then they go to that.
Speaker B:To a roadblock.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's some kind of construction fiasco going on.
Speaker A:And there is a sheriff's vehicle with the radio going off.
Speaker A:The lights are going.
Speaker A:Shotgun shells are all over the road.
Speaker A:And a bunch of dead construction workers laying around.
Speaker A:They find a family in a car.
Speaker A:They're all dead.
Speaker A:And a.
Speaker A:One of the construction dudes pops out from behind a vehicle.
Speaker A:And he's got some creepy ass black veins up his neck and face.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like sick tribal vein tattoos.
Speaker A:It is not good.
Speaker A:It's not a good look.
Speaker B:Like branding.
Speaker A:Yeah, don't do it.
Speaker A:Sick tribal veiny brands, but in black.
Speaker A:So bad.
Speaker A:And they're about to shoot him because he won't stop coming at them.
Speaker A:And then a deputy.
Speaker A:Really there's a.
Speaker A:Not to judge, but she's a really pretty chick.
Speaker A:Deputy pops up and shoots this in the back.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then she wants the feds to show her some skin.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, Magic Mike.
Speaker A:And she's like, no.
Speaker A:And she showed the throats.
Speaker A:So they show.
Speaker A:They show how they have to show their necks to prove that they don't have the black.
Speaker B:These ain't rednecks.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:Yeah, but she's just like, okay.
Speaker B:And then also show me your apple.
Speaker B:So that's what I would have done.
Speaker B:Like, okay, throats are clear.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:So what about like that little, like, jungle trail area?
Speaker A:Well, we don't.
Speaker A:I mean, we don't really know where the veins start.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:We don't know.
Speaker B:We need to see everything.
Speaker B:Please take it all off.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Magic Mike.
Speaker A:Magic Mike.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:But she's super injured because apparently when she was taking cover, she fell on a piece of rebar.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, so she.
Speaker A:Her name, which I feel like is.
Speaker B:Something I would do too.
Speaker B:Like she's being all badass, but yet you fall.
Speaker B:Like you trip on something and that's how you injure yourself.
Speaker B:Like, she escapes from.
Speaker B:You know, she escapes from them, but.
Speaker A:But yeah, she scrapes from whatever the these, like, black vein monsters are, but then falls on a piece of rebar.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she was responding to a call.
Speaker A:911 call for a family in distress.
Speaker A:And she found what she describes as hostiles attacking this family.
Speaker A:By the way, she's only been a deputy for three weeks.
Speaker B:Welcome to getting thrown into the fire.
Speaker A:No shit.
Speaker B:So Dean very kindly crisis manages her.
Speaker A:Yeah, he actually really does.
Speaker A:I'm impressed.
Speaker A:This is not the.
Speaker A:This is a kind.
Speaker A:A kind side of Dean that we haven't.
Speaker A:All we haven't gotten to see in a while because of the mark.
Speaker B:So it's probably kind of like a pretty girl.
Speaker A:Well, that too.
Speaker A:But he, you know, he kind of like.
Speaker A:Okay, stop.
Speaker A:You don't have to.
Speaker A:Please speak.
Speaker A:First of all, also, by the way, don't you know, you.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You were a badass by killing all these guys.
Speaker A:Don't be upset about it.
Speaker A:They're not human, obviously.
Speaker A:So put together.
Speaker B:Sam takes like one look at them, right.
Speaker B:And he is like.
Speaker B:Looks at their veiny necks and he goes, they aren't human.
Speaker B:But I mean, they're just dead.
Speaker B:They're humans.
Speaker A:That contradicts what he says later in the show.
Speaker B:I know, but they're just like looking at them like there's no sign of.
Speaker B:Like there's no monsterization of what you're looking at on that corpse.
Speaker B:That corpse is a human corpse with dark black veins.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which could be poisoning.
Speaker B:Could.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It could be a lot of things.
Speaker B:But does not.
Speaker B:Wouldn't.
Speaker B:My first instinct would not be not human.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:There's something wrong with this human, but that doesn't make them not human.
Speaker B:So they all decide we're gonna go to the hospital.
Speaker A:And immediately when they pull up to the hospital, you know, things are not right because we have a.
Speaker A:A, An EMT on the ground, a toppled and abandoned wheelchair.
Speaker A:Which is wildly convenient.
Speaker A:So convenient for Sam, which they put her in immediately.
Speaker A:But Dean is gonna go check out trunk.
Speaker A:Trunk.
Speaker B:We had a pretty deep look at a trunk on this one.
Speaker A:It is a long look at trunk.
Speaker A:Because he is ammoing up.
Speaker B:He wants a smorgasbord.
Speaker A:All the things, all the guns, all the ammos.
Speaker A:And so they start going inside and the.
Speaker A:The hospital.
Speaker A:But they're wondering if this was caused by the darkness.
Speaker A:And what the Darkness is doing.
Speaker A:Was the smoke some kind of a.
Speaker A:Causing some kind of a mutation or what the.
Speaker A:But either way, the lobby is full of dead people.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean wants to remind us just in case we forgot that he killed Death a couple of hours ago.
Speaker B:So just so we don't forget that that happened last season.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, don't.
Speaker A:Don't forget about that.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So they're going to push Deputy.
Speaker A:Deputy Jenna Nickerson.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker A:Dean's going to take her to go fix her rebar wound.
Speaker A:And Sam's going to go look around because this seems like a great idea to break up right now.
Speaker B:Yeah, sure, fine.
Speaker B:You cover some ground.
Speaker A:But Sam finds a hallway with a lot of bodies in it.
Speaker A:And then we see another guy in a construction vest with the black veins in his neck trying to break into a janitor's closet.
Speaker A:And he gets distracted by Sam.
Speaker A:And then a sound of a crying baby at the closet pulls him back to it.
Speaker B:Delicious baby.
Speaker B:So he gets distracted by the delicious baby and he starts going and hitting the closet room.
Speaker A:Is it wildly convenient that these people.
Speaker A:Whatever is going on with the.
Speaker A:These ill or the Bad guys, whatever they are, that they're all wearing construction.
Speaker B:So you can pick them out pretty easily.
Speaker A:Highly visible.
Speaker A:Highly visible.
Speaker B:Later.
Speaker B:That does switch.
Speaker B:But for first, like it does make your zombie killing game a little easier, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we go back to the ER room where they couldn't find any anesthetic in the hospital.
Speaker B:So Dean just is gonna, you know, sew her up without knee.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Why not?
Speaker B:Take all the drugs, man.
Speaker B:The drugs are all there.
Speaker B:There is nobody there.
Speaker A:I know, but is that really when you want to be high or is it definitely when you want to be high?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:One, yes.
Speaker B:Two, you can at least find some fucking lidocaine.
Speaker A:Yes, that is absolutely true.
Speaker A:I'm like, you really want to be high and you really don't all at once here.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:It just.
Speaker B:I would have to be the right cocktail.
Speaker B:I think I would go into that pharmacy and then I'd be sitting there probably with a book being like, nope, nope.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Like, here we go.
Speaker B:You know, intolerance for pain.
Speaker B:Like maybe some adrenaline going like, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think, you know those things soldiers are probably doing anyhow.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right, so then while we're doing this, we start getting into some of the like meat and crux of this episode of this conversation between the two of them.
Speaker A:Yeah, because she's upset because like she's like small town sheriff department, like knew these guys or knew their families that she just had to kill.
Speaker A:And that's kind of sinking in.
Speaker A:Indian's like, no, no, no.
Speaker A:These were monsters and threats.
Speaker A:Anyone would have panicked in that situation.
Speaker A:You didn't panic.
Speaker A:You did what you had to do.
Speaker A:So don't be, don't be beating yourself up here.
Speaker A:Basically.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But she's really bummed because this job is supposed to be about saving people.
Speaker B:They're like, oh, ding.
Speaker B:I think, I think that sounds like something I've heard.
Speaker A:I've heard, yeah, I've heard something like.
Speaker B:With those words saving people.
Speaker A:Weird.
Speaker B:And so that means it's time for another flashback.
Speaker B:And this time is going to start with Dean lecturing the darkness.
Speaker B:Because Dean just likes to lecture giant omnipotent dial beings from that he doesn't know.
Speaker B:Didn't just start lecturing them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she's like, wait, no, I like it here with you though.
Speaker A:It's peaceful.
Speaker A:I didn't think, you know, I didn't think that that would.
Speaker A:I didn't think anyone would remembered me, but.
Speaker A:And he's like, well, what about death?
Speaker A:And she's like, I didn't know death, and death doesn't know me.
Speaker B:Is that a riddle?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:And then shouldn't I kill you?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's kind of like a weird, almost like romance book.
Speaker A:Like, it's like a love hate weirdness for real, but.
Speaker B:But really exaggerated.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:In a way that it just makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker B:And so we go from that to back to the hospital where Sam is still hiding.
Speaker A:But this dude that, the construction dude with the veiny neck who's been beaten on this door, suddenly he just like, collapses dead on his own.
Speaker B:So they eventually, they just run out of the Energizer battery.
Speaker B:The veins just pop them out, whatever, and they're done.
Speaker B:So Sam goes to this closet and is like, name shark.
Speaker B:But actually just loose is like, hello, are you dead here?
Speaker A:And then here's my FBI id.
Speaker B:Here's my fake badge.
Speaker B:You could probably.
Speaker B:Once you look at closely, you can tell us.
Speaker B:I made it at Ginkgos, but I would put it under the door.
Speaker A:I didn't see what name it was on it, but I was for.
Speaker A:And be like this.
Speaker A:Somebody's gonna read that and be like, you aren't Ozzy Osborne or whatever.
Speaker A:The name's on it.
Speaker A:You know, I was waiting especially this.
Speaker B:Guy because he seems like of their age.
Speaker B:It'd be like, what the.
Speaker B:You're not Jack White.
Speaker B:So I don't know what it said.
Speaker B:That's what said it.
Speaker A:I know I didn't see it.
Speaker B:But so.
Speaker B:And it's a die.
Speaker B:And it comes out with what we used to newborn.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like little builder of a newborn.
Speaker A:But, you know, like, you know, television newborn.
Speaker B:Television newborn.
Speaker B:We're not afraid her head's gonna fall off her ne.
Speaker B:I just always freaks me out about the tiny babies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he just.
Speaker A:He says, help us.
Speaker A:And you're like, oh, no.
Speaker A:We cut to a woman get in a business suit getting out of her small suv, Unloading.
Speaker A:Unloading groceries.
Speaker B:I like, like, what should.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:I think about this just from like, the overall perspective and why my camera just went, sorry, guys, this is probably not on video someday maybe.
Speaker B:But yeah, I just went right.
Speaker B:Like, Hammer just zoomed in on my boobs for some reason.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker A:It did.
Speaker A:It wanted to this scene.
Speaker A:Set up your camera.
Speaker A:It's ready for some action.
Speaker B:So it is ready.
Speaker A:Yeah, so it's so ridiculous.
Speaker A:So Crowley's smoke comes out of the sewer and goes into this woman.
Speaker A:Her name is Marnie.
Speaker A:We find out.
Speaker A:But Anyways, she.
Speaker A:She snaps.
Speaker A:Nothing happens.
Speaker A:So Crowley doesn't have his magic right now and grabs a tire iron because they're gonna go old school and goes into the house just carrying a tire iron.
Speaker A:And husband calls to her and leads her into this, like, this room is kind of cool.
Speaker A:It's like the 60s 70s vibe.
Speaker A:And I don't know why.
Speaker A:It's not really.
Speaker A:It's just really.
Speaker A:It's very stylized.
Speaker A:And these people do not look like they would do that intentionally.
Speaker A:So it's really weird.
Speaker B:Yeah, but I mean, I think they're supposed to be like.
Speaker B:You're just supposed to say, look at them and go swinger.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's what that vibe does.
Speaker A:Apparently they were not until she asked for this for her birthday.
Speaker A:And her husband has arranged for them to have a.
Speaker B:To their best friends for her birthday.
Speaker B:They are going to have a.
Speaker B:A.
Speaker B:They're going to straight.
Speaker B:They're gonna have wife swap.
Speaker B:Let's go light this candle.
Speaker B:And Crowley, as this real estate it Meat suit, is just delighted because it is hilarious.
Speaker B:It was like, what he has stumbled into.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So what are the odds?
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:Back at the hospital, we have this new dad, Mike is his name, holding this baby.
Speaker A:And he is talking about his.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker A:The mother's labor and.
Speaker A:And how she bled out.
Speaker A:And it's very sad.
Speaker B:And he is like.
Speaker B:And you think they know how to stop women from hemorrhaging out while they give birth, don't you?
Speaker B:And I'm like, yeah, you think they would?
Speaker B:And then I screamed into the void.
Speaker B:And then he said that he had to go collect to himself.
Speaker A:And when he was outside, a truckload of these road crew with the black veins in their neck showed up.
Speaker B:I find it really interesting.
Speaker B:They all drive trucks.
Speaker B:Like, they're all still, like, driving their trucks.
Speaker B:Like, they're like, I want to eat you, but I also know how to drive.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's a weird combo.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:I don't know if I've had if zombies, because they're almost.
Speaker B:They are 28 days driving.
Speaker A:Oh, no, ma' am.
Speaker B:It never happens, right?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Oh, I hope not.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:All right, so there's your New Terrifying idea, Mr.
Speaker B:You know the next Romero.
Speaker B:Pick that one out.
Speaker B:All right, so.
Speaker B:So he basically, like, he fought his way through them because he had to.
Speaker A:Get to his baby, and then he got the baby and they hid.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But at this point in the conversation, Sam notices there's something showing up on Mike's neck.
Speaker A:Like, oh, no.
Speaker A:He has.
Speaker A:He's infected by whatever the.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker B:Did they possibly cut, bleed or spit on you?
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, I know.
Speaker A:I feel it inside.
Speaker A:It's gross.
Speaker A:And it's been a few hours already, so it's very sad.
Speaker B:It's inside.
Speaker B:Something is happening.
Speaker A:It's inside me.
Speaker A:That means this is transmittable.
Speaker B:Yeah, so it's transmittable.
Speaker B:But I mean, so we don't like kind of learning some things about it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's been three or four hours since he was attacked and he hasn't gone all.
Speaker A:Yet.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:But we don't know how long he has left.
Speaker B:But, you know, it's kind of an interesting.
Speaker B:You know, from baseline, he's an interesting case study.
Speaker B:So we got you.
Speaker B:So we have this new piece of data and we're going to go back to a roadblock.
Speaker A:Yeah, but it's a different one.
Speaker A:This is a.
Speaker A:The sheriff's at the intersection looking for Castiel in the woods with the farmers.
Speaker A:And he decides to kneel and pray and ask his brothers and sisters, saying he.
Speaker A:Knowing he shouldn't ask, but he wants, you know, he'll confess his transgressions and will accept his punishment.
Speaker A:Just wants to be saved.
Speaker B:Flog me.
Speaker B:Save me.
Speaker B:Save me from doing worse.
Speaker B:Ah.
Speaker B:Punish me.
Speaker B:And then cops with flashlights are walking towards him.
Speaker A:But right then we cut.
Speaker A:Because Sam, Dean and Jenna have to decide what to do about Mike and the baby.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, well, why don't we just wait till he dies?
Speaker A:Because whenever these people, whatever's been.
Speaker A:Once they've been infected, they die on their own.
Speaker B:And he calls them the rabid.
Speaker B:And I think this is a shitty name.
Speaker B:I mean, at least like, veiny bro, Vanny bro is better than rabbit, right?
Speaker B:I just Bro, like, you'd call the other Jefferson Starfish, like, what the.
Speaker B:So, all right, yeah, but then, like, we see the Dean man.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:The Dean, he's like, I can't believe what I'm hearing.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:And Jenna, the deputy is like, yeah, that sounds pretty good.
Speaker B:We could.
Speaker B:We could lock them up and.
Speaker B:And then find a cure.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And that sounds reasonable.
Speaker A:But Mike's like, no, all this.
Speaker A:I just want to make a deal.
Speaker A:Here's the deal.
Speaker A:I am going to go hide and lay low as long as you save my baby.
Speaker A:Save the baby.
Speaker A:That's all I care about.
Speaker A:Save the baby.
Speaker A:Not any of you.
Speaker A:Specifically you, Jenna.
Speaker A:Here's my baby.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't.
Speaker B:I don't know you weird dudes and you seem a little Anxious to kill a lot of stuff.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna give this baby to the person I've known for a while.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because they.
Speaker A:Their families knew each other and stuff.
Speaker A:So he does that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:He gives her the baby and he leaves.
Speaker A:They agree to do this.
Speaker A:So Dean's like, all right, well, I guess we need to gear up.
Speaker A:Up and.
Speaker A:And handles.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, well, hold on.
Speaker A:Also, by the way, there's just a truck that just pulled up with more of these guys in it.
Speaker B:Because I smelled that sweet, delicious baby.
Speaker A:They did.
Speaker A:Sweet, delicious baby.
Speaker A:But they.
Speaker A:Dean's, like, ready just, like, to go out blazing.
Speaker A:He's ready for blazing.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And now he's.
Speaker B:I mean, again, let's talk about, like, your supply tactics here.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So you grabbed all this.
Speaker B:I grabbed the smorgasbord.
Speaker B:But, like, none of those guns are loaded.
Speaker A:No, I know.
Speaker B:You have to load each.
Speaker B:That seems like a waste of time.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Or at least get, like, a speed loader or something.
Speaker B:Like, this is.
Speaker B:You're taking up too much time here.
Speaker A:Inefficient.
Speaker B:It's inefficient.
Speaker A:So Dean's like, yeah, we broke it.
Speaker A:We bought it.
Speaker A:But the deputy, Jenna and Sam are just not convinced that, like, going out blazing is the way to go here.
Speaker A:And in the meantime, cast is also.
Speaker B:Like, there's no other way.
Speaker B:And I'm like, angels, spells.
Speaker A:Like, there's, like, so a lot of ways.
Speaker B:We're on season 11.
Speaker B:You've done a lot of, like, you figured some stuff out before.
Speaker A:Killing.
Speaker A:Killing being option one, is not usually where we go here.
Speaker B:And you don't have the Mark anymore.
Speaker B:You no longer have this excuse to be a dick.
Speaker B:Like, now you're just being a dick.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So Cass calls, and he sounds like.
Speaker A:But insists that he's fine and says that where he's at, no one can help him.
Speaker A:But Dean needs to tell Sam that Rowena escaped with the Book of the Damned and the Codex.
Speaker A:But he's glad to know that the Mark's gone.
Speaker A:And so Dean's like, okay, well, if you're not going to tell me that, tell me what you know about the Darkness.
Speaker A:The Darkness.
Speaker A:And Cass is like, I'll see Cass.
Speaker A:Like, why?
Speaker A:And Sam's like, because it's free.
Speaker B:And Cat's like, the Darkness is free.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:So then it was just like, that's what happened when we did the thing we said we were going to do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Why are you surprised?
Speaker B:Because I told you this was going to unleash the darkness.
Speaker B:And then we unleash the darkness.
Speaker B:So why are you surprised about this?
Speaker A:Cass is like, no, it can't be.
Speaker A:And he's like, yes, so.
Speaker A:And by the way, Dean saw her and so.
Speaker B:And it's a woman.
Speaker A:But there's Cass has a noise behind him.
Speaker A:He says goodbye and hangs up.
Speaker A:He doesn't really share about the darkness or anything.
Speaker A:He knows.
Speaker A:And we've got our deputy.
Speaker A:Jenna has finally figured out that Sam and Dean are not in the FBI.
Speaker B:Hey, wait a minute.
Speaker B:I don't think you guys are feds.
Speaker A:And Cass has had two angels arrive for him.
Speaker A:So his prayer worked.
Speaker B:They're very stern looking.
Speaker B:I mean, they kind of, you know, and.
Speaker B:And they kind of look like hot.
Speaker B:They kind of look like hot British thugs.
Speaker B:So, like they're in a guy Richie movie, right?
Speaker B:Like the evil guys and a guy Richie movie.
Speaker B:All right, so we go from that to the swingers pad where like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, if you're going to have an orgy with your neighbors, Tom Jones I think is probably the soundtrack for your 70s swinger key train.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But unfortunately, nobody made it out of this wife swap.
Speaker A:They're all dead and naked, except for Marnie.
Speaker B:What a way to go.
Speaker A:I mean, hey, you know, they all look.
Speaker B:They had smiles on their faces.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And two demons are there and they are uncomfortable with how to speak.
Speaker B:They want to call hr.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They don't know how to handle Crowley as Marnie in.
Speaker B:Her.
Speaker B:His other white meat suit.
Speaker A:Yes, his other white meat suit.
Speaker A:Which I was deeply amused by that comment.
Speaker A:Comment too.
Speaker A:I like also.
Speaker A:And they're like, what do we call you?
Speaker A:This is King.
Speaker A:King.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:So they're trying to do spells on his other white meat suit so that he can get it back and like free it from being in the stuck spot.
Speaker A:But also, apparently Marty's in menopause and.
Speaker B:Crowley is having a hot flash.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And then one of his minions are like, sir, I just don't understand.
Speaker B:Why did you wait to call for help until after the orgy?
Speaker B:And I apologize for nothing.
Speaker B:No regrets.
Speaker B:And that is why Crowley is king.
Speaker B:So after.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, they go.
Speaker B:We go back to the hospital.
Speaker B:We're the much less amusing place.
Speaker A:Yeah, the bummer place.
Speaker A:Dean is like the only way out.
Speaker A:By going through.
Speaker A:Same plan as always.
Speaker A:And Sam's like imploring him.
Speaker A:That's the only word I can use because he's like, not quite begging, but he's like, almost there.
Speaker A:He's like, that's how it's always been.
Speaker A:How has that been working for us?
Speaker A:We can't do it again.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, kind of like, well, we can't go back.
Speaker A:I mean, I can't go back in time until Kane to shove the mark up his ass or stop Sam from.
Speaker A:From releasing the darkness.
Speaker A:We've made mistakes, but now we're gonna gear up and get out and save the baby.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, hold on.
Speaker A:The baby's not the only person here.
Speaker B:So also, hunting things is only half of that bumper sticker, which also I love that kind of meta.
Speaker B:That meta reference.
Speaker B:And so, yes, we're not only going to think about the.
Speaker B:Won't somebody think about the children?
Speaker B:Saving people means all the people, Dean.
Speaker B:And not just that baby and not just each other.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, no, we need to find a cure.
Speaker B:And he admits that he unleashed the darkness, but he would do it again.
Speaker B:Do it again.
Speaker B:Do it again.
Speaker B:So I was thinking interrupters.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So Sam preaches on, we have to change.
Speaker B:And finally Dean caves.
Speaker A:Yes, he does.
Speaker A:Yes, he does.
Speaker B:So Sam follow Sam until the light change.
Speaker B:Stop doing the same fucking things over and over again.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So Sam tells him to get Jenna and the baby to a car safe.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, without a shot, obviously.
Speaker A:And so Sam's gonna go do what he does.
Speaker B:Be a martyr.
Speaker B:So he taunts a Vany bros.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:He is gonna be a diversion.
Speaker B:And you know, by the way, I.
Speaker A:Could not think of that word.
Speaker A:It was like a whole ordeal and I could not think of the word diversion.
Speaker A:And it was really stressing me out.
Speaker A:I think it's because I didn't sleep that night before that.
Speaker B:That's possible.
Speaker B:So these baby bros also don't seem to be in that much of a hurry.
Speaker A:They're not in a hurry and they are not wearing construction.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so that.
Speaker B:Yes, we know.
Speaker B:That is moved on.
Speaker B:They're more than the construction work people.
Speaker B:We've got some business people.
Speaker B:There's just like various different stereotypes of.
Speaker B:Of extras coming in at Sam.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:So he's.
Speaker A:He's just doing that being a distraction so that Dean and the baby can get out.
Speaker A:But he goes and locks himself in a closet.
Speaker A:Kind of like he's like, oh, I guess this worked for Mike.
Speaker A:I should go do this or something.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Oh, guess what?
Speaker A:Guess what's in the closet.
Speaker B:A veiny chick.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Did you get jump scared?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And also.
Speaker A:But I also kind of knew it was gonna happen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what?
Speaker A:I Mean, like, you saw it coming.
Speaker B:It was a predictable jump scare, but it was still a good one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So of course it is.
Speaker A:And there's a fight, and there is a very messy scalpel scene.
Speaker A:This was.
Speaker A:Was that hard to watch?
Speaker B:No, but it was funny.
Speaker A:I thought it was a lot.
Speaker A:And then he splits her and they.
Speaker A:They fight over the scalpel, and he slits her throat and she bleeds into his mouth.
Speaker B:That is gross.
Speaker B:And this is like, sam, shut your mouth.
Speaker B:I just put also the look on Patti Lucky's face and just, like, was a really good.
Speaker B:Like, oh, I swallowed it.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:And so then they all, like, burst in and they push him against the wall, but now he smells bad, and.
Speaker A:So they leave him alone because he drank the.
Speaker A:Be infected by the blood.
Speaker B:He's infected because he drank her veiny blood.
Speaker A:It's like when those.
Speaker A:It's like when people put, like, zombie blood on him and the zombies don't attack him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which I think why don't do that all the time.
Speaker B:So anyhow.
Speaker A:Well, Dean and Jenna and the baby are almost out, but they get attacked by none other than Mike.
Speaker A:And of course, Dean's like, what the.
Speaker A:Of course this happens.
Speaker A:Like, God damn it.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And he wants the baby.
Speaker A:He keeps the baby.
Speaker B:The baby.
Speaker A:The baby.
Speaker A:And they are actually able to reason with him.
Speaker A:And it's actually a really sad, sweet moment.
Speaker A:And he shares.
Speaker A:Her name is Amara.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The name Amara occurs in many cultures.
Speaker B:This is according to Supernatural.
Speaker B:He and is described a variety of meanings.
Speaker B:Eternal in German, unfading in Greek, immortal in Sanskrit, and bitter in Latin.
Speaker B:In Bahasa Indonesia, the word Amara means anger.
Speaker B:In Ethiopian legends, it is a name for paradise.
Speaker B:And then after that, Mike dies in a very epic death scene.
Speaker B:Like, yeah.
Speaker A:He, like, seizes up and like.
Speaker B:Yeah, he had to be really, like, a really good.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:He got to do it good.
Speaker B:He melted.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So he just had the natural death, Dean.
Speaker A:The natural monster death or whatever the this is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So once again, Dean, you just let them hang out for like, what was that?
Speaker B:Like an hour maybe.
Speaker B:And then they just die on their own.
Speaker B:And you know how to shoot them.
Speaker B:So we go back to Hell.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And we now have Crowley back in his preferred.
Speaker A:I guess meat suit is Mark Shepard.
Speaker B:Meat suit.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Our preferred meat suit, I guess, at least.
Speaker A:And there are demons there.
Speaker A:They're like.
Speaker A:So there's a rumor that the darkness has been released.
Speaker A:And he's like, whatever, that's just a myth.
Speaker A:But also darkness.
Speaker A:And the king of Hell.
Speaker A:Natural allies.
Speaker A:What's cool.
Speaker A:No biggie.
Speaker A:And they're like, yeah, but people are kind of freaking out because in the cage, it sounded like wounded animal, like Michael or Lucifer was trying to warn.
Speaker A:Send a warning of some kind.
Speaker B:Or Adam Winchester, who stole the cage.
Speaker A:That everybody's forgotten about.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker B:Or Adam.
Speaker B:Well, that's Michael.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:So, anyhow.
Speaker B:So, yeah, there's like.
Speaker B:Well, that sounds bad.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Okay, so the angels that saved Crane.
Speaker A:Castiel.
Speaker A:How.
Speaker A:Are now leading him to a creepy warehouse.
Speaker A:And they're like, yeah.
Speaker A:After Metatron escaped, we move the door to heaven, and he's handcuffed.
Speaker A:And they decide to hang.
Speaker A:Like, bind his bound hands from the ceiling and are obviously not taking him to heaven.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is not the new door to heaven.
Speaker B:This is a place where we're gonna torture you.
Speaker B:And they look very excited about the fact that they're going to torture him.
Speaker B:And I don't really know why they're going to.
Speaker B:I don't know what they think they're going to get out of Castiel at this.
Speaker A:They put a bag over his head.
Speaker B:Angels.
Speaker B:So, yeah, they bat.
Speaker B:They bag Castiel.
Speaker B:And then we cut from there to baby.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Dean, Jenna and the baby are at a gas station because she's got to go learn how to change a diaper, apparently.
Speaker A:And they're.
Speaker A:You know, Dean wants to have her very sweet motivational speech about how her and the baby will save each other, so.
Speaker A:Because she has no idea what she's doing, and she says she quotes her grandmother's Bible study to say, joy comes in the morning and goes and walks away.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:To go take that baby.
Speaker B:Probably to a disgusting bathroom.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And a place that you don't want to put a newborn baby.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker B:That the baby that has not had.
Speaker B:Clearly, like, has no.
Speaker B:No immunizations.
Speaker B:Like, nothing.
Speaker B:This is the.
Speaker B:A brand new, like, human being.
Speaker B:You're gonna take it to a gas station bathroom?
Speaker A:Yep, that's what we're doing.
Speaker B:All right, well, she gonna get real germ protected there.
Speaker B:Like, she's just gonna get all that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So Dean calls Sam, who's in the.
Speaker A:Supply closet, and Sam's like, so, by the way, good to know that y' all are outside of town and all of that, but I'm gonna have to find a cure now.
Speaker A:No matter what.
Speaker B:But you didn't say why.
Speaker A:No, but Dean knows.
Speaker A:You knows, I'm sure.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker A:I mean, it's obvious.
Speaker A:I think it's implied, but whatever.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know if, like, it is.
Speaker B:I kind of think, like, I feel like Sam's not telling him.
Speaker B:I don't know, so.
Speaker B:Which is annoying.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, well, I know you'll find it, but we gotta win.
Speaker A:I'm gonna drive a few hours away to drop this chick off.
Speaker A:This baby off with her grandma, and.
Speaker A:And then I'm gonna find darkness and kick her ass.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But then he flashes back to the darkness, and we get some more of our romance language.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:If you're as bad as they say.
Speaker B:You are, why haven't you hurt me?
Speaker B:For the same reason you'll never hurt me.
Speaker B:And then she's like, because I have a brand.
Speaker B:And she's like, I also had this terrible brand at that frat party.
Speaker B:I regret it too.
Speaker B:And so we will always be bound.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we'll help.
Speaker A:We'll help each other.
Speaker A:No matter what.
Speaker A:We're bound.
Speaker A:It's a thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's a thing.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam's looking in the mirror, and we're seeing his black vein start.
Speaker A:And Jenna is changing this baby in the bathroom.
Speaker A:The gross bathroom.
Speaker A:And the baby.
Speaker A:Amara also has the mark.
Speaker A:Someone gave the baby a brand.
Speaker B:Someone branded a baby.
Speaker B:Next game has gone too far.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:So we don't know what.
Speaker B:We don't know what this means.
Speaker B:This baby has a mark.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So that's how it ends.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we've got some interesting folks in this episode for our cast.
Speaker B:Casting couch.
Speaker B:It's the casting and couch.
Speaker B:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker B:Yeah, this is a lot of people who are in other episodes.
Speaker A:Yeah, a lot of repeat people that play different things in other episodes, for sure.
Speaker A:And pretty large cast in this.
Speaker A:I'll save a special one for last.
Speaker A:So we've got the Darkness is played by Emily Swallow.
Speaker A:She's been episodes of Medium, Beauty and the Beast, Elementary.
Speaker A:Was Kim as a recurring character in the Mentalist.
Speaker A:Lisa in Castlevania as a series.
Speaker A:And the armor.
Speaker A:An armorer in.
Speaker A:Sorry, the armorer in the Mandalorian.
Speaker B:And Emily.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Emily is, you know, always on a lot of panels.
Speaker B:I've been to quite a few of her.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker B:She's always super nice, and I think she's really funny.
Speaker A:And then Deputy Jenna Nickerson was played by Lacey Melee.
Speaker A:She's been in episodes of Arrow I, Zombie and Magicians.
Speaker A:Was also Genie in Falling Skies is a reoccurring character and reoccurring character named Jess in chesapeake shores over 50 episodes.
Speaker A:So Mike Schneider, or sorry Mike, was played by Aaron Hill.
Speaker A:He's been episodes of Malcolm in the Middle, Gilmore Girls, Drake and Josh, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, How I Met your Mother, Community, csi, Glee Castle, NCIS the Middle, and Baskets a few times.
Speaker A:He was a frat guy in Transformers, Revenge of the Fallen, A lot of.
Speaker B:TV.
Speaker A:Marnie Slash Crowley.
Speaker A: but episodes of dead like me,: Speaker A:Yeah, she's you Neil Gaiman and was a Pie mom and Cats and Dogs and Jenny in Smoking Aces too.
Speaker A:Her husband was played by Kurt Evans.
Speaker A: ing, Dead like me, Smallville: Speaker A:He was a reporter in Miracle, the Hockey Movie.
Speaker A:He was a reporter in Watchmen and was a the recurring character of Floyd Backus in Izombie.
Speaker A:He's also done a lot of Hallmark.
Speaker A:Dave the Neighbor I was played by Duncan Minute.
Speaker A:He's been in episodes of the L Word and I Zombie and his wife Deb was played by Jillian Farjee.
Speaker A:She's been in episodes of X Files, True Callings, the Izombie Bates Motel a handful of times, and Van Helsing a couple times.
Speaker A:Our Ephraim, one of our angels, was played by Dylan Archambolt.
Speaker A:Been a couple episodes of Supernatural.
Speaker A:He's also been episodes of Van Helsing and Magicians.
Speaker A:Jonah, our other angel, is played by Albert Nicholas.
Speaker A:We'll see him again as well.
Speaker A:He's been episodes of Magicians, Lucifer Extra, X files, Van Helsing, iZombie, Nancy drew a few times, and Good Doctor.
Speaker A:He was also a writer in Or a waiter, I'm sorry, in Fifty Shades Darker.
Speaker A:Told you there's a lot on this one.
Speaker B:People run a lot of stuff.
Speaker A:It was a good cast.
Speaker A:Our two minions I've got quick notes on and then we'll get to our one that I know we want to talk about our Minion one we'll see again.
Speaker A:He's played he's been a few episodes of Supernatural was played by Lee Shortening and then our minion 2, also in several episodes of Supernatural, was played by Jesse Reed.
Speaker A:Hunter Boy Number one was played by Ryan Grantham.
Speaker B:Grantham.
Speaker A:Grantham.
Speaker A:I started saying it wrong, so I'm trying to break it up by Ryan Grantham.
Speaker A:He's also been in episodes of iZombie, Riverdale and was in.
Speaker A:He's played a small role in of the five year old child.
Speaker A:Honestly, this one was in Jumper.
Speaker A:He was Rodney and Dire of a wimpy kid Ben in Goblin and was a small Anton in the imaginarium of Dr.
Speaker A:Parnassus.
Speaker B:Okay, so Ryan, we didn't talk about him when we last saw him in Supernatural Land, and that was in season four.
Speaker B:And in season four, he played the ever amazing Todd, Neil before Todd.
Speaker B:And we're gonna talk about the Ryan Grantham story.
Speaker B:This comes with all the trigger warnings.
Speaker B:Besides just being horrifically tragic, we're going to be talking about suicidal ideations, murder, mass shooting, drug use, and a lot of other bummer things.
Speaker B:So if y' all want to check out now, honestly, like, I don't blame you, but this is, I think, important things to hear about and to learn about.
Speaker A:So this is lore.
Speaker B:I don't know, it's just, it's.
Speaker B:It's sad.
Speaker B:I mean, especially as someone who is part of the Supernatural family.
Speaker B: hen he shot this, this was in: Speaker B:Some other background besides what Diana just said.
Speaker B:His parents, you know, he's Canadian.
Speaker B:His parents soon separated after he was born and he was raised by his mother.
Speaker B:He did have one sister, Lisa, who was 10 years older.
Speaker B:They got along well enough, but the age gap created distance.
Speaker B:His father did not maintain a relationship with Ryan as a child, which an older Ryan would then attribute to some of his abandonment issues as well as his feelings of inadequacy.
Speaker B:Additionally, as we could see, when he played Todd, he was a smaller kid and he had a speech impediment.
Speaker B:So he was often bullied.
Speaker B:He didn't really feel like he fit in.
Speaker B:And he described himself as socially anxious.
Speaker B:He started shooting commercials when he was 8 and then went on to act in short and feature Canadian films and those.
Speaker B:He received a number of nominations and awards.
Speaker B: couver Short film festival in: Speaker B:Then he would go on to do a bunch of TV and film and addition to things that Diana mentioned, he also did Diary of a Wimpy Kid and the imaginary and Madonna.
Speaker B:Dr.
Speaker B:Parnassus, his mom Barbara was said to be his biggest champion and was making sure that he was protected from the industry.
Speaker B:And while he loved acting, later he would say that the audition process often exacerbated his insecurities due to the cycle of rejection.
Speaker B:So his struggles with mental health Reached levels of suicidal ideation when he was as young as in grade six.
Speaker B:So really, you know, depresses.
Speaker B:His depression started early.
Speaker B:His negative thoughts of himself increased as he moved into teenagehood.
Speaker B:In high school, he began socially consuming weed.
Speaker B:And then that use increased as he got older and went to university.
Speaker B:He tried to live on campus for a year, but then moved back home with his mom to Squamish, which is just hella beautiful, but also really isolated.
Speaker B: ied to quit using cannabis in: Speaker B:16.
Speaker B:This is such a.
Speaker B:2016, he went to a counselor on his college campus to try and stop what he viewed as an addiction.
Speaker B:And that was something we just did in the two, like especially the aughts.
Speaker B:And like we would just go to like, I don't know, sometimes you need more than what your student counselor is going to offer you.
Speaker B:Just saying.
Speaker B:So he went to his student counselor and took some things and they're like, all right.
Speaker B:So he stopped smoking and stopped using weed.
Speaker B:And then he stopped going to his counselor visits because together they decided that he was all better.
Speaker B:So he just stopped going to counseling.
Speaker B:And then so about six or seven months later, he started using again.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B: His membership had lapsed by: Speaker B: In: Speaker B:And his thoughts began to expand from self harm to violently harming others.
Speaker B:And his journals are just all really, really dark.
Speaker B:When he was at, you know, in court, the court pointed out that there was a performative aspect of his writing.
Speaker B:And they blame that on TikTok and TikTok and YouTube.
Speaker B:But I had super performative diary entries, like long before, like there was.
Speaker B:That shit was invented.
Speaker B:I think sometimes people just do that in their journals, right?
Speaker B:Like you kind of feel like you have an audience, but I can certainly see that being as a.
Speaker B:A different sign in mental health, right?
Speaker B:Like writing things for a different perspective.
Speaker B:So yeah.
Speaker B: By January: Speaker B:He especially didn't want to see her hurt other people or himself.
Speaker B: e counseling center at SFU in: Speaker B:So he decided, he made the decision that it would be rude of him to use up resources that others needed more than he did.
Speaker B:And these thoughts of violently harming others were not urgent.
Speaker B:And so he didn't go to counseling.
Speaker A:Hmm.
Speaker B: out of school in February of: Speaker B: In March of: Speaker B:And the only way to do that was to enter life.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:And while 21, then 21 year old Ryan stayed home and smoked weed.
Speaker B:Then they played a board game together.
Speaker B:Then Ryan.
Speaker B:Yeah, then Ryan went upstairs and started unloading and reloading his 22.
Speaker B:At a quarter to seven, he went halfway down the stairs and his mom was playing piano.
Speaker B:It's like, y' all, this is, this is really horrific.
Speaker B:While his mommy was mom was playing piano, he shot her in the back of the head.
Speaker B:When he asked why he did it that way and at that particular moment, he said, allowed me to do it in a way that, that she never saw it coming.
Speaker B:His mom collapsed into the piano and it just made a perfect sound.
Speaker B:And then he went and journaled.
Speaker B:I'm so sorry, mom.
Speaker B:I'm so sorry, Lisa.
Speaker B:I hate myself.
Speaker B:There's a lot of media of me out there, film and tv, hundreds of hours of me that can be viewed and dissected.
Speaker B:No one will understand.
Speaker B:Then he grabbed his GoPro and started recording the scene along with a stream of consciousness about what was going on.
Speaker B:He would later say he could feel himself acting like trying to make it sound sadder, but you can tell like in the video, like I've watched it, but if they say like it's shaking and stuff, you can truly see his distress through it.
Speaker B:After he finished filming whatever that was, he put the rifle in his car, went and got 200 bucks out of a credit union, went to sky high cannabis dispensary, got some more weed, filled up his gas tank and bought a cat gas can and then filled that, went to sea to sky beer and wine store and bought some beer, went home, started drinking and smoking, started making Molotov cocktails with the bottles that he had in his garage and the gas that he bought.
Speaker B:He then binge watched Netflix for like eight to 10 hours while he sat on the couch 10ft away from his dead mother.
Speaker B:He did eventually though, cover her with the sheet.
Speaker B:He woke up on April 1, ate some breakfast, packed his car with his rifle and four of the Molotov cocktails he had made the night night before, he went to the woods to try them out.
Speaker B:He came back to his house and decided the next thing he was going to do would be to kill the Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, because he was the most impactful person to assassinate in Canada.
Speaker B:So he made a list of supplies that he would need to do this and to survive in the woods.
Speaker B:Then he made a playlist for his drive.
Speaker B:And then he loaded his car.
Speaker B:Car.
Speaker B:He took rosary beads and hung them on the piano over his mom's head, said some Hail Marys and then left a note for whoever found her.
Speaker B:Then he lit candles on the coffee and dining room tables.
Speaker B:And then he left.
Speaker B:Yeah, lit candles.
Speaker B:He starts driving towards the Prime Minister, which is all the way across Canada because that's the other side.
Speaker B:And also was weird that you could just google where his cabin was, but.
Speaker B:So he decided that that was too far and he turned around, goes back towards Vancouver, and at point he's thinking of going to his school and doing a shooting there, or going to a bridge and shooting from that or just to die by suicide.
Speaker B:He eventually just decides to turn himself in.
Speaker B:He goes to Vancouver pd, goes up to an officer in a marked car, tells him, I killed my mother.
Speaker B:They search his car and found a plastic cooler containing 12 Molotov cocktails, a one camo style rifle case carrying that.308 with no trigger lock, an orange rifle case case with a 12 gauge shotgun loaded, and a 22 caliber rifle that was also loaded in associated ammunition.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, while he was doing this, starting to drive and go back and forth, his sister had gotten worried that her mom hadn't been answering any of her text or calls.
Speaker B:So she goes to the house with her fiance and they find that scene that Ryan had been left.
Speaker B:Like, bad enough you're finding your mom, but finding like the candles?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she says, like in her victim impact statement, words cannot express how gut wrenching and horrific this has has been to go through.
Speaker B:And her PTSD would be so bad that she Quit her job as a commercial real estate lawyer.
Speaker B:Lisa and the other victims expressed in their statements that they had to also deal with this new fear of Ryan because they didn't know how dangerous he could be because he masked all of it so well.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:So first degree in Canada is a homicide that is both planned and deliberate.
Speaker B:It carries an automatic life sentence with no possibility of parole for 25 years.
Speaker B:Second degree is generally a deliberate killing that.
Speaker B:That occurs without planning and does not fall under any of the categories of first degree murder.
Speaker B:So spontaneous acts of passion and those type of things.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:The minimum sentence for that is life in prison with no parole for 10 years.
Speaker B:But sentences can be as long as life in prison without parole for 25 years.
Speaker B:I also think Canada has something.
Speaker B:They're like.
Speaker B:They have a thing, they're like, where you're just too dangerous to ever be let out.
Speaker B:I think that's something like, we make it that up, but I feel like there's something there's.
Speaker B:They also have a manslaughter.
Speaker B:That's the other thing that you could have gotten, which is a homicide committed without intent.
Speaker B:But again, based on the circumstances of this, it's clear that he could have gone for first.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But in order to avoid the trial, they went ahead and settled with the second degree.
Speaker B:Two psychiatrists assessed him before his sentence hearing because they have to have the hearing to figure out how long, like you'll.
Speaker B:When he's going to be eligible.
Speaker B:Eligible to try for parole.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So the defense retained one doctor who said that he was in a chaotic and fragile mental state at the time of offense and mentally disordered.
Speaker B:The use of the cannabis and alcohol influenced his mental state.
Speaker B:But he was not in psychosis.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:He was not in cannabis psychosis.
Speaker B:Although he had psychotic symptoms, his rationale for killing his mother was primarily altruistic to spare her suffering.
Speaker B:He was impaired enough that the impairment informed his intent to kill his mother.
Speaker B:But he did not meet the criteria for ncrmd, which is not criminally responsible due to mental disorder.
Speaker B:Basically, Canada's version of the insanity defense.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:The second lawyer that was retained by the Crown gave a thorough history of Ryan's mental state and basically agreed with the state, with the other side psychiatrist, that there he wasn't psychotic or experiencing delusions or hallucinations.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker B:He did not have his capacity to understand the consequences of his actions or to Interfere with the capacity to know that his actions were right or wrong.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So the court does take into account, while they're figuring all this stuff out, that while he's been incarcerated, Ryan has taken all the courses they've offered at him.
Speaker B:He has been in counseling every one to two weeks.
Speaker B:And I, I'm thinking you may want to step that therapy up a little.
Speaker B:And so I'm like, like, I go to therapy, like sometimes when I'm feeling bad, I go once a week.
Speaker B:And I'm not thinking of killing up, you know, anyways, so.
Speaker B:But they thought this is a good sign that he could be rehabilitated, which is a big part of the Canadian law determining when somebody could be apply for parole.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Is when they think they would be rehabilitated.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Other things that they were considering.
Speaker B:He had been caught with contraband once months while he is, was already was incarcerated, but he acknowledged his responsibility and there weren't any other issues.
Speaker B: However, in December: Speaker B:He was then put on antidepressants and things improved.
Speaker A:Y' all, that seems like a delay.
Speaker B:So the court then argued, you know, based on the nature of the offense, all the circumstances, the crime, Brown wanted him to have 17 to 18 years because the fact that he was able to function normally and hide all this stuff from his friends and family, like his mom is like, hey, I want you to quit smoking weed.
Speaker B:I think that'll make you, like, less depressed.
Speaker B:But nobody knew.
Speaker B:Like, I don't think there's the extent of, like, he was thinking of harming others.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And also the crowd was like, he wanted to kill the Prime Minister.
Speaker B:So maybe like we tack on on some more stuff even though he didn't do it, like that was something, you know.
Speaker B:So they sentence him to imprisonment for life, and he would be eligible for parole after 14 years.
Speaker B:When a life sentence is imposed, no consideration is given to time served in pre sentence custody.
Speaker B:However, parole eligibility runs from the date of arrest.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker A:That's weird.
Speaker B:I guess that makes sense.
Speaker B:Like, no, no, no, because it should.
Speaker A:Be from the day of sentencing, but whatever, Canadian law, okay, who cares?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:The judge, though, when she did this, she strongly recommended that he get classified to an institution other than maximum security prison because of his size.
Speaker B:Now judges can make that recommendation, but ultimately that is up to the correctional service of King, Canada and beyond.
Speaker B:The judge, Ryan's lawyer, was also concerned about him going to a maximum security prison, which in Canada is required of Anyone convicted of first or second degree murder for a minimum of two years.
Speaker B:So they've got three levels.
Speaker B:They have like a max, like a medium and a min.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And so was he a little guy?
Speaker A:I mean he.
Speaker B:Yeah, at, at this time he was still five, five foot tall and 100 pounds.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:And looks like he's sitting 17.
Speaker B:He looks like a teenager.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so before the, before the hearing, even staying at a pre trial center that had a larger number of staff to felons ratio.
Speaker B:But they just really think that he was going to get like destroyed in maximum security prison.
Speaker B:So they decided to keep him at a prison hospital in British Columbia while they further determine how the closer of the remainder of his senate.
Speaker B:So the last I last I could find was that he was in like a prison hospital.
Speaker B:But the place he was at had like had the three levels there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they're basically keeping him in like kind of like the psych side.
Speaker B:In Canada you can't find out where someone is in prison.
Speaker B:Did you know that?
Speaker B:I was like, huh.
Speaker B:So that was something I learned.
Speaker B:In America it's really easy to find.
Speaker A:Out like where someone's staying, where they're incarcerated.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And what all their things are.
Speaker B:But because of privacy laws in Canada, you could, you can't find them.
Speaker B:So I mean that is, you know, where he's at now.
Speaker B:I don't think his family is ever going to recover.
Speaker B:I mean his sister said, how could I trust anybody when my only sibling chose to execute my mom when her back was turned?
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And their mom sounded so awesome in her obituary.
Speaker B:Barbara Waite was called an adventurous spirit who especially, especially enjoyed outdoor pursuits including cross country skiing, biking and hiking.
Speaker B:Happiest in nature.
Speaker B:Although small in physical stature, she was strong and brave, fighting through challenges with a relentless positive outlook.
Speaker B:If anybody puts swan physical stature on my obituary, I'm coming back and haunting your asses.
Speaker B:No, I'm five foot tall.
Speaker B:Don't put that in there.
Speaker B:All right, so, and also just I think the tragedy of this is just ample amplified because Ryan sought help and when there was an obstacle put in front of it, he just stopped fighting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that makes me so sad.
Speaker B:And you know, like Padalecki has his never stop fighting mental health campaign that he does a lot of charity work for.
Speaker B:And I think that's important.
Speaker B:Keep reaching for that help.
Speaker B:You know, you're not a burden.
Speaker B:You're not taking or take the help.
Speaker B:You know, don't just.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So save the help.
Speaker B:And that is the, the tragic story.
Speaker B:And, you know, that's what happened to Ryan and.
Speaker B:Bummer.
Speaker A:Super bummer.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So on that, no, I don't think, you know, if, I think maybe in the next episode we can talk a little bit of how we felt about, about this one, because I, I'm just, you know, I think we're all kind of bummed out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think, you know, this, I think we, you know, that's a lot to process.
Speaker A:And, and we've already kind of made our cracks about.
Speaker B:Yeah, this was already.
Speaker B:Yeah, the darkness was already, you know, we got my darkness humor in there.
Speaker B:So on that, on that, various, you know, take care of yourselves, you know, self care.
Speaker B:Get the help that you need.
Speaker B:You know, people are there for you.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Cheers.
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Speaker A:Going up to the spirit in the skies?
Speaker A:It's where I'm gonna go when I die?
Speaker A:When I die and they lay me to rest?
Speaker A:I'm gonna go to the place that.
Speaker B:Sam.
