3:02 The Kids Are Alright
Season Three, Episode Two of Supernatural "The Kids Are Alright" and the boys want you to come to Surburbia and check out all the snacks!
During lore, we talk about changelings and the woman whose husband thought she was a changeling and burned her alive - Ireland's Bridget Cleary. As a result, a precedent was set in Irish law that a person could not be harmed or killed for suspicion of witchcraft, and a belief in witchcraft could not be used as an insanity defense in a murder trial.
Sources:
“A Witch Burner Sentenced – Michael Cleary Condemned to Imprisonment for Twenty Years.” The New York Times, 6 July 1895, timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1895/07/06/102516444.pdf.
“Bridget Cleary: The Last Witch Burned in Ireland.” IrishCentral, 14 Oct. 2022, www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/bridget-cleary-last-witch-burned-in-ireland.
“Bridget Cleary.” Wikipedia, 22 Apr. 2026, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridget_Cleary.
“Burning a Changeling: Bridget Cleary and the Good People.” An Sionnach Fionn, 7 Oct. 2016, ansionnachfionn.com/2016/10/07/burning-a-changeling-bridget-cleary-and-the-good-people/.
“Changeling: Legend of the Fae Child.” Historic Mysteries, www.historicmysteries.com/changeling/.
Dennehy, E. “WHAT DAMNED YOU? CHANGELINGS, ‘MYLINGAR’ AND OTHER DEAD CHILD TRADITIONS.” Archaeology Ireland, vol. 30, no. 3, 2016, pp. 21–25. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/43893496.
Find a Grave. Memorial for Bridget Cleary, 1867-1895. www.findagrave.com/memorial/21034944/bridget-cleary.
“The Burning of Bridget Cleary.” Library Ireland, www.libraryireland.com/articles/Burning-Bridget-Cleary/index.php.
“The Story of Bridget Cleary.” Irish Folklore, 18 Dec. 2016, irishfolklore.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/first-blog-post/.
Transcript
Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:Come to suburbia.
Speaker A:We've got snacks.
Speaker B:And please give moms names.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Welcome to season three, episode two of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:Today we're going to talk about.
Speaker B:The kids are all right.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:Hey, I'm Liz.
Speaker A:That's me.
Speaker B:I didn't do my weird high voice, so congrats on that.
Speaker B:To myself.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know, I mean, I sometimes wish that we recorded in the morning and my voice is just super low.
Speaker B:And scratchy and it sounds all intense, all throws.
Speaker A:It sounds like.
Speaker A:It sounds like I smoked a pack of cigarettes.
Speaker A:It's just like, yeah.
Speaker A:And instead of like, hi, what are you doing?
Speaker A:So it asked how your week was, but I know because you're with me.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:We were down, babe.
Speaker B:My husband and I. Babe, babe, babe.
Speaker B:We made our way down to Liz's neck of the woods and spent the weekend exploring the Devil's Backbone, which is awesome.
Speaker B:And then went to.
Speaker B:Well, I guess I'll expand.
Speaker B:What a couple pictures on our Instagram now about it already.
Speaker B:We went to.
Speaker B:Spent a long amount of time at the Devil's Backbone Tavern, which is fucking amazing.
Speaker B:It's a legendary beer hall in Honky Tonk.
Speaker A:Yeah, go listen to an episode about it.
Speaker B:Yes, we talk about it in previous episode.
Speaker B:So there's an episode.
Speaker B:Episode about that.
Speaker B:So you can go listen to her.
Speaker A:Talk about the lore episode.
Speaker A:Something.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Somewhere up there.
Speaker B:But yeah, so it was really cool.
Speaker B:And we got to listen to old country music and drink beer and play with a possum puppet that we carried around all day.
Speaker B:And that is Peggy the Possum.
Speaker B:So if you see that, that's what that is.
Speaker B:And before that, though, we did stop at Shady Llama, where we got to visit.
Speaker B:Drink a beer while we visited llamas.
Speaker B:And babe got bit by a donkey.
Speaker B:And that was hilarious.
Speaker A:Yeah, the donkeys were shady.
Speaker A:There are many signs about the shady llamas.
Speaker A:There was no signs about the shady donkeys.
Speaker B:That was not a warning.
Speaker B:It was kind of a love nibble, but still.
Speaker B:And then that evening, we've got to make our way over to.
Speaker B:Oh, we had a fantastic brunch before we did all that at.
Speaker B:I'm going to say it wrong because it's French.
Speaker B:You're good at the French.
Speaker A:La vachere.
Speaker A:La vachere.
Speaker B:Because apparently on all their signage, cuckoo.
Speaker A:Means howdy in French.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:And then we got to go to our friend's grand Opening for their rum club, Ruminate Distilling, AKA High Rum, now located in Dripping Springs, Texas.
Speaker B:And try their newest rum, Chupacabra.
Speaker A:Yes, Chupacabra, which I still haven't drank because my stomach was like, no, no more rum, no more alcohol.
Speaker A:You are done with this, missy.
Speaker A:You drink your sparkling water and shut up.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a coffee infused rum.
Speaker B:It's freaking delicious.
Speaker B:And today I've got my.
Speaker B:I'm drinking my rum beverage in my fancy color change cup from Rumina.
Speaker B:So it's my mood cup.
Speaker B:It is a.
Speaker B:This is what I'm calling a. Oh,.
Speaker A:Did you take all the mood cups with you?
Speaker B:They end up in the car.
Speaker B:Yeah, you bitch.
Speaker A:I know technically I'm bitch, but you jerk.
Speaker B:So I'm calling this a janky painkiller because it's a take on a painkiller with what I had in the cabinet.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker B:Which was not all the proper ingredients.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think the coffee rum will be amazing with hot chocolate when it's cold.
Speaker B:Is it in like a White Russian?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, that all sounds delicious.
Speaker A:I am drinking a bottle of wine from our local that we've talked about before from senor that just got brought to my house because I have not had time to go to the hill country.
Speaker A:But it is called Rochambeau, which is why I opened it.
Speaker A:I pulled it out, I was like, rochambeau.
Speaker A:So Rochambeau means two things depending on who you ask.
Speaker A:One, it could mean rock, paper, scissors, which is one way most people call it.
Speaker A:Or if you watch south park, it is when you kick somebody in the nuts to decide what you're going to do.
Speaker A:So that is.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker A:I mean, kicked in the nuts, which I don't have.
Speaker A:I mean, I've got a pair of balls around here somewhere, I'm sure, but.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:But yeah, we had a fantastic weekend.
Speaker B:And then we went and ate pastrami and pizza and called it a weekend.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Then they left and then I went to sleep and then I slept all Sunday and most of then Monday.
Speaker A:And so also while I was recovering, like, so.
Speaker A:Oh, too much information for the podcast listeners.
Speaker A:So I told you guys I was really sick and then I was not getting better and I kept feeling worse and then I went and got some tests done because I thought it was something else, but apparently I had E. Coli and so that was running amok through my body for the past couple of weeks, which is probably exciting.
Speaker A:Explains a lot.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, it could have been worse.
Speaker A:It could have been worse.
Speaker A:I mean, I think at least I had the cold or whatever that was and the E. Coli at the same time.
Speaker A:So I was just completely miserable, you know, instead of, you know.
Speaker A:But that's why they make drugs in antibiotics.
Speaker A:Hopefully have cleared it out and all.
Speaker A:It's gone.
Speaker A:I blame salad.
Speaker B:So it's always lettuce's fault.
Speaker A:Always Lettuce.
Speaker B:Always gonna let us, man.
Speaker B:Always.
Speaker B:Yeah, well.
Speaker B:Well, my last little tidbit I will share from my life before we actually talk about this episode is I have to do a plug for the Invasion car show.
Speaker B:Is this Saturdays, October 23rd, in Deep Ellum.
Speaker B:It's a free event, family friendly, open to public, starts at 10am runs till about 5pm The Street Elm street in Deep Ellum is shut down in Dallas, Texas for this car show.
Speaker B:There'll be hundreds of cars, there'll be vendors.
Speaker B:There'll be a pinup contest with our friend, a friend of Liz and I's.
Speaker B:Stormy June is the emcee of our pinup contest.
Speaker B:And then there'll be car awards at five.
Speaker B:And then there's an after party with rockabilly bands including Big Sandy and Flyright Boys, a country artist named Jimmy Dale Richardson and the Drop Top Rockets.
Speaker A:So, yeah, but also, yeah, if you're near there, you should go.
Speaker A:I won't be going because I'll be frantically sewing my Halloween costume.
Speaker B:But yeah, so there's my plug for Invasion.
Speaker B:Invasion car show dot com.
Speaker A:You want to talk about Supernatural?
Speaker B:Yeah, let's talk about Supernatural.
Speaker B:Things that our listeners want us to talk about more probably than our ridiculousness.
Speaker A:They love.
Speaker A:They love our banter.
Speaker A:So, yeah, yeah, the kids are all right.
Speaker A:The kids are all right.
Speaker A:Which is after a who song.
Speaker A:And I'm listening as Diana is finally shut up about this.
Speaker A:I'm listening to Elvira's autobiography and she apparently saw the who.
Speaker A:She go go D while the who was playing in Colorado and.
Speaker A:Oh, shit, the fuck is a lead singer name.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:I don't think it was Keith Moon.
Speaker A:Not the drummer, but it was the singer of the who.
Speaker A:Roger.
Speaker A:Roger.
Speaker A:Crap.
Speaker A:Anyways, I'm not a mod.
Speaker A:I don't like the who anyways.
Speaker A:But apparently like he like basically like he smashed his guitar and she had to jump off her go Go box and sprained her ankle.
Speaker A:So she was like, you bastard.
Speaker A:So then she found out it was the who.
Speaker A:Later I was like, oh, well, you know.
Speaker A:So anyways, the kids are all right.
Speaker A:This was season three, episode two.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:So not that far off.
Speaker A:Like, we're almost kind of in line.
Speaker A: t was during spooky season of: Speaker A:I wonder what the costumes were.
Speaker A:Want to look that up?
Speaker A: know what the costumes are in: Speaker A:And the shears, probably.
Speaker A:Hopefully there won't be any coronavirus costumes.
Speaker A:Hopefully those are done.
Speaker A:Sexy Covid hopefully will be over.
Speaker A:It was directed by Frill.
Speaker A:Frill.
Speaker A:Yeah, you just.
Speaker A:You just got some.
Speaker A:Some lizard wings.
Speaker A:Phil Scruccia, and written by Sarah Gamble, who's writing a lot of episodes this season.
Speaker A:So lots of fun things are happening on here.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But we're just going to kick this off.
Speaker A:I'm going to start off in Cicero, Indiana.
Speaker A:Suburban homes.
Speaker A:Suburban home.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So there's a woman goes outside.
Speaker B:Like a woman, like, in her pajamas walks outside and SUV pulls up.
Speaker B:Little girls running up to her.
Speaker B:So obviously this is the separated parents.
Speaker B:Dad's dropping off little girl, the mom.
Speaker B:But it's obviously not their normal handoff time.
Speaker B:And they say that.
Speaker B:So basically he's like, yeah, no, she was pitching a fit.
Speaker B:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:And she's like, well, I don't like dads.
Speaker B:There's monsters there.
Speaker B:It's weird.
Speaker B:Anyways, so this is really kind of weird thing.
Speaker B:And you're like, oh, fuck.
Speaker B:There's something fucked up at dad's place.
Speaker B:First thought, right?
Speaker B:That's where we're all at.
Speaker B:We cut back to dad in his work, like, wood shop in his garage.
Speaker A:And it's awesome.
Speaker A:He has so many great tools.
Speaker A:And he's.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's crafting at 1 in the morning.
Speaker A:I'm like, I see you, Dad.
Speaker A:I. I see this.
Speaker A:I was like, shit, I'm really upset.
Speaker A:I need to do something.
Speaker A:So I'm gonna make a rocking chair.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, it's like.
Speaker B:And it's like this, like, rocking horse thing.
Speaker B:But I'm like, oh, that is way too small for that child.
Speaker B:So hopefully it's not meant for that little girl.
Speaker B:That's my only.
Speaker A:Yeah, she's a little old for that.
Speaker A:That is for a baby.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he starts.
Speaker B:He's like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:Time to go to bed.
Speaker B:And goes inside.
Speaker B:And then as he's going in, back in the house, the.
Speaker B:From.
Speaker B:It's because it's his garage workshop.
Speaker B:The table saw cuts on.
Speaker A:Oh, God, I want a table saw.
Speaker A:So good.
Speaker A:I don't care if it's haunted.
Speaker A:I'll take a haunted table saw.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And he's like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, fuck.
Speaker B:Because you can also.
Speaker B:They're doing that shoot where you can tell something's watching him.
Speaker B:Like it's like creeping around.
Speaker B:So he goes and turns it off and shocking.
Speaker B:He walks back to the house and he turns the lights off to go inside.
Speaker B:And it cuts back on again.
Speaker B:He goes to investigate again.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, fuck, he going to die on this saw.
Speaker A:He does.
Speaker B:He does.
Speaker B:He falls something, something.
Speaker B:Like he turns around because he hears something as him and pushes him backwards and he falls on the table saw.
Speaker B:It was real fucking bloody and gory.
Speaker B:And I was not prepared for this at all.
Speaker A:At all.
Speaker B:I was texting Liz while I was watching this episode.
Speaker B:She knows I was very upset during it.
Speaker B:So, yeah, little rocking horse is rocking in the background.
Speaker A:It's just rocking in the background.
Speaker A:You know, that's also like, that's inevitably going to be haunted.
Speaker A:Like, we just know, like you make a little wooden rocking horse, ghost children just going to come ride it.
Speaker A:That's what they do.
Speaker A:They're just like, oh, you made me a wooden toy.
Speaker A:Oh, this reminds me of my Victorian ghost childhood.
Speaker A:And then they're just going to go and ride it.
Speaker A:So don't make little wooden rocking horses.
Speaker A:I think that should just be a law.
Speaker A:No, they're banned.
Speaker B:So we cut to Sam and he's trying to like, secretly do some research about do on this demonic translation with his phone.
Speaker B:And he's on the phone, he's trying to figure out how to break the curse, the deal that Dean made.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But he's trying to do it super secretly because he doesn't want Dean to know he's looking into it.
Speaker A:And with his Sanskrit translation software program, like, where the fuck did you find that?
Speaker A:And I guess now Google Translate.
Speaker A:I'm pretty sure you could probably translate Sanskrit now, but this is pre Google Translate.
Speaker A:I'm like, where the fuck did you even find this thing?
Speaker A:I was impressed.
Speaker A:I was impressed with it.
Speaker B:That's fairly impressive.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so he lies.
Speaker B:He lies to Dean about what he was doing on the phone and what he's doing in general.
Speaker B:And it's a terrible lie.
Speaker B:But Dean says he thinks he found something for.
Speaker B:Found a job for them, it's a case, and that some guy about the guy falling on the power saw in Cicero, Indiana.
Speaker B:And Sam's not convinced.
Speaker B:Like, obviously it's like, yeah, dude fell on a fucking saw.
Speaker B:But they pieced together that Dean wants to see this chick that he banged like, like on a road trip a long time ago when he was On a emotional road trip after the Banshee incident or some.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And she was a yoga instructor.
Speaker A:And then he makes a great, fantastic joke.
Speaker A:It's like, fantastic.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm being facetious.
Speaker A:He says, so she's Gumby girl.
Speaker A:Does that make me pokey?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's not funny.
Speaker A:And also, I don't know about you, but Gumby and Pokey always freaked me out.
Speaker B:Like, they.
Speaker A:I never like.
Speaker A:No, they're creepy.
Speaker A:They're creepy.
Speaker A:Their Claymation did not.
Speaker A:It did not sit well with me.
Speaker B:The other joke attempted a joke in here that really eked me out.
Speaker B:And I'm.
Speaker B:I'm gonna assume it was intentional here, but his talking about it's his dying wish.
Speaker B:And Dean saying it says, oh, it's just my dying wish to go see her or do the.
Speaker B:You know, whatever.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, oh, how long are you gonna, you know, keep pulling that one?
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:Or something along the lines.
Speaker B:And Dean's response is, as many as I can squeeze out.
Speaker A:Oh, you took it that way.
Speaker A:I did.
Speaker A:Oh, I did not.
Speaker A:I just thought, okay, you went gross with it.
Speaker A:Okay, that is gross.
Speaker B:Yeah, I was upset.
Speaker B:I said, ew, there we go.
Speaker B:So they get to Cicero.
Speaker B:Dean drops Sam off at a motel and goes to find Lisa, the yoga instructor.
Speaker B:Some.
Speaker B:It's a development called Morning Hill.
Speaker B:It's like a brand new development.
Speaker B:And I'm like, gosh, shit, what did they build on?
Speaker B:Was my note.
Speaker B:I'm like, what kind of.
Speaker B:What kind of haunted or sacred grounds that they fucking build some houses on now?
Speaker B:But anyway, so he shows up at her door and obviously he gave her no warning that he was showing up, which is a terrible idea, by the way.
Speaker B:She's super awkward and ends up.
Speaker B:It's been.
Speaker B:You know, that's where we really get clarified.
Speaker B:It's been eight or nine years since they've seen each other and hooked up.
Speaker B:And she's having a birthday.
Speaker B:She said she's hosting a party.
Speaker B:And he's like, I love parties.
Speaker B:It's a fucking birthday party for her son who happens to be eight years old.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:There's a few things.
Speaker A:This too.
Speaker A:I mean, obviously you saw balloons outside, so clearly child party.
Speaker A:You should know this.
Speaker A:Like, adults don't generally.
Speaker A:Today we do because we're ironic and awful.
Speaker A:But back then, no, you wouldn't have done that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also, somebody I fucked 8 or 9 years ago shows up at my door.
Speaker B:I'm like, who are you and why are you here?
Speaker A:You know, not only just like, why are you here?
Speaker A:Like, I would not remember them.
Speaker A:Like, I have no idea who I was fucking eight or nine years ago.
Speaker B:To be fair, they do make a big deal about why they remember each other because obviously, like, Dean in the previous conversation was like, oh, it was the bendiest weekend of my life.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we do find.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And then we do hear her that she was.
Speaker B:She had gossiped to her neighbor buddies about him and what a good way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I mean, it's a lot of.
Speaker A:I mean, for him, that's a lot of ego thinking that she's going to remember some dude she fudged eight or nine years ago.
Speaker A:Like, I don't even know.
Speaker B:And like assume she's like single and like all that.
Speaker B:And then also how if he didn't like call her, did he just like fucking look her up and show up on her front door?
Speaker B:Because this is obviously not where she lived last time he was with her.
Speaker B:No fucking house.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:How do you even know that she was still going to be.
Speaker A:Hopefully he did the legwork before he drove to Indiana.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:Creepy, creepy.
Speaker A:It's fucking stalker moves.
Speaker A:And I wouldn't have let you in my house.
Speaker A:Although if the sex was that good, I probably would have.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I guess you're not.
Speaker A:Jensen Ackles shows up your front door and you're like, okay, I guess that's right.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker A:I guess you can come in.
Speaker B:Fine.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So they see this little.
Speaker B:Her son Ben, and he's like wearing like a little jacket, kind of like what Dean wears and has a little spiked up hair, kind of like how Dean's hair is.
Speaker B:And it's very excited about his ACDC scene that he gets for his birthday.
Speaker B:And Dean is like, oh, fuck, this is my kid.
Speaker B:I didn't know I have that.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:It pretty much seems like him.
Speaker B:And this is where we see two ladies gossiping that are like, oh, that's Dean.
Speaker B:Did she call him Dean?
Speaker B:That's the Dean.
Speaker B:Like, that was like the best night of her life or whatever.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So, yeah, talking about him eight or nine years later.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I don't know, maybe like it was that drunken night that you get with your girlfriends.
Speaker A:You're like, oh my God, the best.
Speaker A:Like, who is.
Speaker A:Yeah, what's the weirdest or best sex you ever had?
Speaker A:So maybe she is.
Speaker A:But also like, well, that's happening.
Speaker A:All I'm doing is like, oh my God, look at that hot dog machine.
Speaker A:Did You.
Speaker A:There's so much food in this episode that I'm just like, this is why my pants don't fit.
Speaker A:They had like.
Speaker A:They had a hot dog machine and it like, totally around and keeps the wieners warm.
Speaker A:And I was like, how the fuck do I get that for my house?
Speaker B:I think I'm Amazon.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker A:Like, I do not need a hot dog machine, but I want one.
Speaker B:I'm an asshole that wants a moon bounce, so I think those are fun.
Speaker A:I did have sex in a moon bounce.
Speaker B:I know you didn't.
Speaker A:I think you were there.
Speaker A:You may have been there.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:And then my friends thought it was really funny to deflate the moon bounce while we were inside of it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, Good times.
Speaker B:The last time I was in a moon bounce was very G rated.
Speaker B:It was for my niece's birthday.
Speaker B:I will tell you, there's way more exhausting to jump around in than you remember.
Speaker B:Like, oh, no.
Speaker A:It was really exhausting having sex in it.
Speaker A:Like, it seems like it's really fun, but it's like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:Like, oh, there's like core work and shit.
Speaker A:Like, it seems like fun, but it's not.
Speaker A:And also, I really hope they sanitize.
Speaker B:Those things before they take it to the nice house.
Speaker A:Anyhow, so after Liz's cursed sex life.
Speaker A:So we got the moms trolling.
Speaker B:Dean.
Speaker B:Yeah, Dean wants to talk to Ben.
Speaker B:And Ben's talking about what a great.
Speaker B:How good the moon bounce is to get bitches.
Speaker B:Basically, all the hot chicks are excited.
Speaker A:About it's hot Chick City.
Speaker A:And they also they check out a mom and daughter pair together, which was not okay.
Speaker A:That was not not cool, Dean.
Speaker A:Like, Dean, this is a child.
Speaker A:I know you have the brain and emotional like you have an eight year old, but.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So then we go back, we see Lisa's talk, sees the other mom from the beginning of the show.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's very annoying to me.
Speaker B:This mom has no name.
Speaker A:It's just she never has a name.
Speaker A:Even in the transcript, she is still named Mom.
Speaker A:They never gave her a name.
Speaker B:That's mean.
Speaker A:Should we give her a name?
Speaker A:What should her name be?
Speaker B:Oh, that's a call.
Speaker A:I mean, she's okay.
Speaker A:She's not a Brenda.
Speaker A:Allison.
Speaker A:She and Allison.
Speaker B:I was gonna go with.
Speaker B:I was gonna go with Crystal or Crystal.
Speaker A:No, Crystal.
Speaker A:Crystal means she's a stripper.
Speaker A:Never name your child Crystal.
Speaker B:No, no, sorry.
Speaker B:Any crystals out there?
Speaker B:Yeah, we'll just go with Mom.
Speaker B:Mom.
Speaker B:That's too hard to remember.
Speaker A:Child's mom.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Lisa's talking to the.
Speaker B:To.
Speaker B:To.
Speaker B:To the mom and this mom's like worried.
Speaker B:She's kind of like, like it's kind of freaky conversation.
Speaker B:Mom is like super fucking stressed.
Speaker B:She's worried that Katie, her daughter worried about her and thinks that she's not sure that Katie is Katie, which is real creepy.
Speaker B:And Katie's acting a little weird, so it's fine.
Speaker B:I'm not sure.
Speaker B:She says, I'm not sure that's my daughter.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Lisa is thinking from this.
Speaker A:Obviously not like your child has been abducted by aliens.
Speaker A:More like, oh my God, you're going through some grief and you're putting things.
Speaker B:On your child because your ex husband got killed and both of y' all are in a fucked up emotional state.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And eventually when we start talking about changelings, I think this is kind of on par with that though, just this idea of how do you explain when your child all of a sudden flips personalities.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Because kids are going to do that.
Speaker A:Like kids, like major traumatic events like your dad dying would cause a child to flip out.
Speaker A:So if I was Lisa, I'd be like, yeah, I need to get you some help.
Speaker A:Just like, Lisa did the right thing.
Speaker A:She's like, like, girl, we're going to get you some psychological counseling.
Speaker A:Don't say this shit about your child.
Speaker B:Yeah, but, but what if Lisa's wrong and it's a fucking changeling?
Speaker A:Well, why would Lisa be wrong?
Speaker A:Like, why would Lisa know about changeling?
Speaker A:She doesn't know.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:So anyway, so.
Speaker A:Especially because her friend doesn't even have a name.
Speaker A:Like, like, she's just like, look, mom.
Speaker B:So mom and Katie leave and because she's like, not at least in listening to me, she just wants me to go get psych help.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Dean comes up and he's like, kind of.
Speaker B:Basically he fucking asks if.
Speaker B:If that's his kid.
Speaker B:And she's like, no.
Speaker B:So that's one question kind of answered.
Speaker B:But then he asked what was wrong with her friend.
Speaker B:And then he figures out that that was the ex of the guy who died on the saw.
Speaker B:Which was the whole reason.
Speaker B:Well, not the whole.
Speaker B:That was his excuse to come to town.
Speaker B:And then she referenced Lisa.
Speaker B:Sal talks about a lot of bad luck in the neighborhood.
Speaker B:And I wrote.
Speaker B:And I was like, damn it, it's on burial grounds.
Speaker A:Like, you already did this.
Speaker B:So we cut back to the motel diner.
Speaker B:Sam's translating stuff on the laptop still.
Speaker B:And who shows up?
Speaker B:The blonde bitch from the last episode, who you said has a name, but she doesn't have a name yet.
Speaker A:In this episode, she doesn't have a name yet.
Speaker A:I'm not spoiling her name.
Speaker A:She's just blonde friend and she thinks that fries are like deep fried crack.
Speaker A:And they are.
Speaker A:You were right.
Speaker A:We got some amazing fries this weekend.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:And I was super hungover because me and Babe stayed up really late drinking wine and watching what we do in the shadows.
Speaker A:And then I threw up all the wine because I don't drink that much anymore.
Speaker A:And it was.
Speaker A:There was a saw incident in my bathroom.
Speaker A:Like, it's still like, my maids are going to be.
Speaker A:I cleaned it, but yeah, but anyways.
Speaker A:Yeah, she got some great fries and.
Speaker A:Good for you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's kind of a weird conversation.
Speaker B:Like, I feel like they just jump straight into like, tell me about that fucking knife.
Speaker B:It's like, and why are you following me?
Speaker B:It's just a very weird, like, I don't think it's how I would have started the conversation here, but.
Speaker B:Okay, that's what they're doing.
Speaker A:I would have started the conversation with, bitch, let go of my fries.
Speaker B:What do you.
Speaker A:Like, These are not for you.
Speaker A:They are my fries.
Speaker A:Hands off, cunt.
Speaker A:And then, like, then I'd be like, so you got a knife?
Speaker B:Yeah, so tell me about this.
Speaker B:So she kind of goes off and like, on this whole tangent about Antichrist knows about the psychic kids and him being the sole survivor of this battle and how Yellow Eyes is dead, but she knows that he had plans for Sam.
Speaker B:And she's like, it doesn't really matter that Yellow Eyes is dead.
Speaker B:And I still write Ye, which, by the way, is now Kanye's legal name for the record as of today.
Speaker B:Well, we're recording on Tuesday.
Speaker B:So, yeah, Kanye west is now Yee as his first name.
Speaker B:So he's.
Speaker B:He's dead.
Speaker B:He had plans.
Speaker B:But basically she's like, no, there's still something up with you.
Speaker B:And, like, starts talking about what happened with his mom.
Speaker B:And he's like, well, obviously it happens as long, so.
Speaker B:Well, what about all of her friends?
Speaker B:And he's like, wait, what?
Speaker B:And so now we know that there's some other shit that went down with Sam's mom and the people around her that we didn't know about and Sam didn't know about.
Speaker B:And obviously then Dean probably didn't know about either.
Speaker B:We're going to guess.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So she says, look, just look into your mom's friends and then call me.
Speaker B:And she like, really awkwardly writes her phone number on his hand and ballpoint pen, which is so hard to read.
Speaker B:When do people do that?
Speaker A:Yeah, no one is going to wash off, he said.
Speaker A:But like is this a five or two?
Speaker A:I don't know what this is.
Speaker A:And then like the.
Speaker A:The pen just wrote on the hand like she didn't have to scribble it on some paper lay.
Speaker A:And it went.
Speaker A:But also, why would Sam know who his mom's friends were?
Speaker B:He wouldn't.
Speaker B:I guess he'd be an infant.
Speaker B:But I feel like there's something tied to what has been going on with his life.
Speaker B:You'd think John would have known and waved, maybe would have told them.
Speaker B:But I guess not because he didn't tell them shit.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:No, I mean like they lived a very like solitary life.
Speaker A:Pretty sure.
Speaker A:Like they weren't hanging out with mom and like mom's friends weren't watching them clearly they were hanging out in hotel rooms.
Speaker A:So how the would he know who her friends are?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then she leaves off with.
Speaker B:Yes, there is a job in town, which I mean, so.
Speaker B:So Sam hadn't heard this yet.
Speaker B:But then Dean calls Sam right as she leaves and is like, btw, there is a job.
Speaker B:There's been four incidents.
Speaker B:They're not all, not all of them made the paper though.
Speaker B:But they're all in the same development.
Speaker B:This brand new development.
Speaker B:People falling off ladders, drowning in Jacuzzis and like that.
Speaker B:Weird accidents.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we cut back to the moment.
Speaker A:Yeah, she fell asleep reading the Historian, which was such a great book.
Speaker A:And now I'm like, oh man, I need to reread that.
Speaker A:I haven't, I haven't read that for him.
Speaker A:Oh, you would love it.
Speaker A:It's all.
Speaker A:I mean it's all about like an ancient book.
Speaker A:And like there's.
Speaker A:It's really good.
Speaker A:It's a contemporary mixed with historical thinking about like it was.
Speaker A:This was.
Speaker A:It was really popular at the time.
Speaker A: So it was: Speaker A:So Elizabeth Kostoga.
Speaker A:So yeah, it's.
Speaker A:And it's got basically like Count Dracula is in it.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker A:It's a good book.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:Okay, so the creepy, creepy ass Katie is watching.
Speaker B:Mom sleeps.
Speaker B:She wakes up, she's like, play with me, Mommy.
Speaker B:And hugs her and like say I love you, mommy.
Speaker B:Just really weird.
Speaker B:And then this is one of the times I freaked out because Mommy's hugging creepy Katie and sees her reflection in the mirror and her skin is all like.
Speaker B:It looks like waterlogged, like peely zombie creepy.
Speaker B:I didn't like it.
Speaker B:It was crazy.
Speaker A:But I mean, I'm more upset by the child's emotional problems and by her burn skin.
Speaker A:I'm like, what is going to make me more uncomfortable?
Speaker A:A really clingy child or a child with.
Speaker A:With skin issues?
Speaker A:I'm like, skin issues?
Speaker A:Like that's.
Speaker A:Well, I'm gonna be creeped out more by the emotional issues.
Speaker A:Like, I'll take that.
Speaker A:I will take the child with the same.
Speaker B:It was creepy because it's not the child.
Speaker B:You know, there's something up with this child.
Speaker B:That's why I was creeped out.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But then she pushes her back and of course she.
Speaker B:In, like in person she looks normal.
Speaker B:And then now her reflection looks normal, which is weird, but just doesn't really match a lot of it.
Speaker B:But that's okay.
Speaker B:So we cut to Sam in a suit pretending to be from a life insurance company at a different house where a guy had fallen off a ladder.
Speaker B:And it's kind of a weird.
Speaker B:They said.
Speaker B:Well, they made it sound like he fell off a ladder, but then it's like he was in the house on a ladder changing a light bulb and then fell through the window.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But the ladder's still there and the window's boarded up and it's real weird looking.
Speaker B:And there's some red shit on the other window frame.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're just gonna leave the ladder there, you know, so you can walk into it.
Speaker A:Why would.
Speaker A:How long is this?
Speaker A:How long has he been dead?
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker A:Where's the ladder?
Speaker A:Away.
Speaker A:God.
Speaker B:Very weird.
Speaker B:I was like, wait, what?
Speaker B:Did no one ever change the goddamn light bulb?
Speaker B:He's going to house because the light bulb wasn't changed.
Speaker A:Unfinished business.
Speaker A:He's just hanging around.
Speaker A:How many ghosts does it take to stir in a light bulb?
Speaker A:He's just trying really hard.
Speaker A:He keeps like reaching through the light.
Speaker B:Bulb forever until someone's finally like, I should change that.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:Yeah, so he said, Sam's story.
Speaker B:They trying to like exploit the life insurance filing.
Speaker B:So he wants to hear the whole story, but.
Speaker B:So the woman is telling the story and she's like.
Speaker B:Like, I wasn't.
Speaker B:She wasn't there.
Speaker B:She was out with the creepy little girl peering out the window.
Speaker B:Dakota, I think was her name.
Speaker B:And of course I was like, is that blood?
Speaker B:There's like some red shit, but it looks more like she looks.
Speaker B:Did not look like real blood.
Speaker B:It was like fake.
Speaker B:Like bright red looking.
Speaker B:But there's like a streak on the window rail.
Speaker B:And then as the mom turns around and go back inside, she has this super creepy circular, like, little kid bite on the back of her neck.
Speaker A:Is it Hickey she's minging out with.
Speaker B:The vacuum cleaner teeth for that?
Speaker A:Yeah, it was a pretty, like, hardcore hickey, you know, like breaking the skin.
Speaker A:Yeah, she was having a good time.
Speaker A:Don't judge.
Speaker A:Don't kink shame.
Speaker A:All right, so, yeah, so we go back and so she's gonna.
Speaker A:Giant Hickey Sam sees the blood on the windowsill and the fence, and we're gonna go back to evil Katie and her mom's killer bathroom.
Speaker B:Go forward.
Speaker A:That bathroom is fucking awesome.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, maybe suburban life has this perks.
Speaker A:You get this great garden tub.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, that looks pretty nice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, because Katie's mom made a fucking grilled cheese for a sandwich.
Speaker B:But her neck started hurting.
Speaker B:She went up and locked herself in the bathroom.
Speaker B:And she sees the bite mark on her neck.
Speaker B:And as soon as she sees it, the little girl's, like, trying to break down the door screaming, let me in, Mammy.
Speaker B:Which is terrifying, too.
Speaker B:It's really creepy.
Speaker A:See, children was like, needy children.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:And then the doorbell rings and she just stops automatically.
Speaker B:So it ends up it's the fucking, like, the realtor lady.
Speaker B:And bring, like a gift basket and saying that she just really wants to make sure you're going to keep the house.
Speaker B:Katie takes the little.
Speaker B:Katie's eyes are getting kind of red.
Speaker B:She's not looking real healthy at this point, by the way.
Speaker B:And she takes the basket to the kitchen, and the mom's just like, this is not a fucking good time.
Speaker B:And likes her locks.
Speaker B:The lady.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker A:So yeah, we get pushy Realtor.
Speaker A:Then we also get pushy Katie.
Speaker A:So apparently this is a symptom of what's ever going on, is you get real pushy.
Speaker A:Like, that's.
Speaker A:That's just your symptom.
Speaker A:Like, oh, no, you can't take no for an answer.
Speaker A:And pushy, evil Katie wants ice cream,.
Speaker B:And she wants ice cream.
Speaker A:And I get it.
Speaker A:I mean, I get it.
Speaker A:Evil Katie.
Speaker A:Sometimes you're just like, man, I need some fucking ice cream.
Speaker A:Like, I made some detox soup last night.
Speaker A:Because I'm like, we've been eating.
Speaker A:We ate crap all weekend and I'm still eating crap because it's all in my house.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So, like, was clean.
Speaker A:And I was like that.
Speaker A:Because that's how that works.
Speaker A:And so I was Like, I want ice cream.
Speaker A:So then I was like, yeah, I want ice cream now.
Speaker A:And so I went and ate all the ice cream.
Speaker A:So I get it.
Speaker A:Evil Katie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Dean's just like in the neighborhood and sees Ben.
Speaker A:He's just going to look at kids in the park, you know, like a grown man does.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then he's just gonna sit on a bench like, you know, as a single man, next to the, this, this eight year old boy.
Speaker A:Totally normal.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:Nothing weird with that.
Speaker B:No, totally creepy.
Speaker B:Basically though, Ben's being bullied by these kids.
Speaker B:They took his fucking Game Boy or whatever the fuck version they were playing at the time.
Speaker B:And Dean's ready to go intervene and Ben says, only bitches send a grown up.
Speaker B:And Dean says, you're not wrong.
Speaker B:And Ben says, and I'm not a bitch.
Speaker A:I love Ben.
Speaker A:Ben's the best.
Speaker B:So anyways, Dean's like just trying to trash talk the bullies with Ben and kind of gets him motivated to get his game.
Speaker B:So Ben goes over and kicks the bully in the dick and takes his game back.
Speaker A:Rochambeau.
Speaker A:He Rochambo them.
Speaker A:It all ties together.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:But then Lisa shows up and she.
Speaker A:Is pissed, as you should be.
Speaker A:And Dean's really happy about this.
Speaker A:Lisa.
Speaker B:He's all proud of himself.
Speaker A:Is not.
Speaker A:And then it gets really uncomfortable.
Speaker B:Like, get out of our life.
Speaker B:He's not your son.
Speaker B:And what are you doing teaching my kid to violently lash out another kid even if the other kid was a dick.
Speaker A:Yeah, she's not wrong.
Speaker A:That's a, that's not, that's an overstep.
Speaker A:Totally an overstep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then as they're all kind of leaving, well, Ben hugs Dean.
Speaker A:That's really cute.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And there's these three real creepy kids just watching this whole thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, they just give Dean the stink eye and they're probably like, why is this great ass man sitting in a park?
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:I think that's what that stink eye was like.
Speaker A:You know, we're gonna take pictures of Catch a Predator because I think something, something is coming on here.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So this next scene is really fucking dark.
Speaker B:Like real, real dark.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Evil Katie's mom makes a choice.
Speaker B:So evil Katie's mom takes Katie to the car saying, basically saying they're gonna go get ice cream, buckles Katie in.
Speaker B:And this is.
Speaker B:I, I literally screamed and covered my face with my butt.
Speaker B:Just so you know.
Speaker B:At this point, Dave was slightly concerned in the other room because he was Watching football or something.
Speaker B:She sees Katie in the rear view.
Speaker B:And this is the first time they show us what the evil kid, whatever the fucking thing, which we learned later, is a changeling.
Speaker B:So I'm not ruining it.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna say it looks like.
Speaker B:And I was like, fucking monster with circle of teeth.
Speaker B:Holy fuck.
Speaker B:Nightmares.
Speaker A:She has eel face.
Speaker A:She has lamprey eel face is like,.
Speaker B:Pretty much their eyes are.
Speaker B:They have, like, the sunken, black, soulless eyes.
Speaker B:They're like, nothing there.
Speaker A:The eyes so bother me.
Speaker A:Eel mouth bothers me.
Speaker A:Like, we were eel mouth.
Speaker B:Like the circle mouth with the spiky teeth and then the voids eyes.
Speaker A:You know how I feel about eels.
Speaker A:They are the no probes of the sea.
Speaker A:And they should all be set alive on fire.
Speaker A:Like, they should all be burned alive with fire.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:But like, we were in Belize and there was, like, this lamprey eel that was, like, hanging out, like, about, like, by the rocks.
Speaker A:And obviously we're like, let's go look at the eel.
Speaker A:And I'm like, no.
Speaker A:Like, I walked past it and, like, ran.
Speaker A:Like, I'm just gonna go swim over there away from the eel.
Speaker A:Like, gross, gross, gross, gross.
Speaker A:All right, so.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker A:So Katie's mom, she's in there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:In the middle of nowhere.
Speaker B:And mom is crying.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:She gets out of the car.
Speaker B:Mom gets out of the car, puts the car in neutral and lets it roll into a lake with Katie in it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You just wasted your car.
Speaker A:Okay, whatever.
Speaker A:And you also killed your child.
Speaker A:Those things are bad.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, this is.
Speaker A:This is extreme.
Speaker A:This seems very.
Speaker A:Like, she escalated, like, real fast.
Speaker A:Like, oh, I.
Speaker B:This is also goes back to what you were saying, though.
Speaker B:She's already probably very mentally, psychologically traumatized by the death of her act ex.
Speaker B:The father of her child, whether they were together or not.
Speaker B:That was probably something very traumatizing.
Speaker B:They were having this problem balancing the care of the child because the child started acting odd because the child was a goddamn changeling monster thing.
Speaker B:And then now, like, this kid's, like, attacking her and she feels scared and she's like, that's not my fucking daughter, so I'm going to kill it because that's not Katie.
Speaker B:And she puts it in the car and rolls it into the lake.
Speaker B:There's a lot of decisions and a lot of emotionally unsound decisions.
Speaker B:And probably legally, I mean, like, can you get in legal trouble?
Speaker A:Probably, yes.
Speaker B:Killing a not baby.
Speaker B:It's not your kid.
Speaker B:It's not even a kid.
Speaker B:It's not a person.
Speaker A:Yeah, but yeah.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Yeah, she's gonna go to prison and then get.
Speaker A:And then get beat up a lot because she killed her child.
Speaker A:Which women in prison do not.
Speaker A:Like, they're not fans of that.
Speaker A:Anyway, so she, like.
Speaker A:We're like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:She just killed.
Speaker A:She just killed her.
Speaker A:Bait.
Speaker A:Her child.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:And she gets to the house and she's very upset.
Speaker B:Falling.
Speaker B:She's like hysterical when she gets to the house and then you see a puddle of water on the floor and.
Speaker B:Oh, it gives me chills still.
Speaker B:It was gaming heebie jeebies.
Speaker B:And Katie's just dripping wet, sitting at the little counter in the kitchen.
Speaker B:Still wants ice cream.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also, that kid ran really fast.
Speaker A:Like, I guess they both had to walk home because Kate.
Speaker B:Yeah, but mom was like crying and stumbling.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she's.
Speaker B:She's got like.
Speaker B:I mean, she's got over 30 knees at least, Right?
Speaker B:Her knees.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That takes us.
Speaker A:It takes us longer to walk away.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So that was really.
Speaker B:That was very upsetting to me.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:I just have to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So Dean.
Speaker B:Dean and Sam are talking.
Speaker B:We got back to them and Dean's like, look, there's something wrong with the kids in this town.
Speaker B:Sam comes right back.
Speaker B:What do you know about changelings?
Speaker B:I think evil monster babies.
Speaker B:So they're figuring out that there's been.
Speaker B:There's, you know, one of these weird kids.
Speaker B:Kids at each of the victims houses.
Speaker B:And that basically they.
Speaker B:Somebody snatches the.
Speaker B:Snatches the real kid.
Speaker B:They assume the form of the kid.
Speaker B:And then they feed on the mom's synovial fluid and drain them for the next few weeks.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:Anything comes between the changeling and the mom gets killed.
Speaker A:Yeah, so that's.
Speaker A:That's the lore they went with for.
Speaker A:For changeling.
Speaker A:So let's talk about some other lore about changelings.
Speaker A:So I think it's time for some lore.
Speaker A:All right, so changelings.
Speaker A:So basic bottom line that I think we all understand.
Speaker A:They are supernatural beings that are substituted for human offerings.
Speaker A:And they are in folklore from every culture pretty much.
Speaker A:They're Norse folklore, Germanic societies, Judaism, Asian, African cultures.
Speaker A:In Irish folklore, they're known as a word that I'm not going to pronounce in ghel.
Speaker A:And they have various names throughout the world.
Speaker A:So France is Chadium, Romania is Morai.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't speak Romanian.
Speaker A:Germany.
Speaker A:I just like saying things in German.
Speaker A:Is a Vekselbog.
Speaker A:They are an Itbard or a Migling in Sweden.
Speaker A:And Umstratengurg in Iceland and a zimkaka, I don't know whatever else.
Speaker A:I don't speak Russian, but pretty much they are everywhere.
Speaker A:And they can be fairies, demons or trolls.
Speaker A:And they would often exchange their offspring for human children for a number of reasons.
Speaker A:It could be that the supernatural offspring's child was sick and they wanted to get a healthy human child.
Speaker A:In Scandinavia, it was because they believed that the ugly trolls wanted their pretty human babies to rear as their own.
Speaker A:You know, I, I'm betting Scandinavian children are fucking delightful to look at.
Speaker A:Those are just some pretty blonde, blue eyed, like adorable children.
Speaker A:And if I was a troll, you should love your own troll children, by the way.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker A:They are beautiful in their own ways.
Speaker A:Don't think that Gurdur is going to be much better looking than your troll baby.
Speaker A:Love your ugly baby.
Speaker A:In Russia, like wood demons would steal their children and just imprison them in the forest, which I think was similar to this one.
Speaker A:And so there's kind of, there's two main theories where the idea came from.
Speaker A:The first, and only slightly less horrific reason, was to explain raids where villagers may have sought to save their children by substituting them for those brought by the invader.
Speaker A:Why the invaders had children, I don't know.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And the second is the one that's really, it's very controversial just because of this.
Speaker A:It's fucked.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But it explains a lot.
Speaker A:But really.
Speaker A:So if you had a child with a physical birth defect or any other like physical traits that are just considered to be abnormal, or if you had like these things like cleft palates, club feet, like those type of things, or if you had a child with emotional problems, people were like, well, that's clearly not my baby, that's a changeling.
Speaker A:And you know, and they did horrible things.
Speaker A:Like kids would like forever be like left outside like that was.
Speaker A:They would just be like, yeah, we're just gonna leave it outside and then they'll return my baby.
Speaker A:So, like through like hundreds of years of histories of children just being like left outside to die or being beaten,.
Speaker B:That's not gonna ever make them act right.
Speaker A:No, no, they died.
Speaker A:Not to happen to them.
Speaker A:They died.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, it's, it's really fucking horrific.
Speaker A:Yeah, even.
Speaker A:But it also was not just babies.
Speaker A:So like if, like, as your child was growing older and they weren't developing right.
Speaker A:So say if you had a child that was on the spectrum or, you know, any other things like, oh, various came and took my babies and now like like now it's a changeling.
Speaker A:But it was also believed that they could steal adult humans, including new mothers and newly married people.
Speaker A:And a lot of newlyweds were said to have been taken away to marry the fame the fairies and new mothers were abducted to nurse fairy babies.
Speaker A:And they think a lot of this was used to explain postnatal depression.
Speaker A:So postpartum, because people didn't know, like, well, you know your hormones be real fucked up after you pop a giant thing out through your vagina.
Speaker A:And so you're going to be sad and depressed, but they're like, no, no, you're a fairy.
Speaker A:Like you're not my wife or like you're lippy, you're clearly not my wife.
Speaker A:You're not the same sweet laugh that I was courting this.
Speaker A:You were the nice 15 year old girl that I was fucking, you know, but so, but there's a really prominent example and this is what I want to focus on today for Laura and that's Bridget Cleary.
Speaker A:Have you ever heard of Bridget Cleary?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A: York times article from July: Speaker A:Michael Cleary, clearly this is my 40s radio voice that they probably would be saying, but Michael clearly, living near the town of Clonmel, was convicted today of manslaughter and having burned his wife Bridget Cleary to death last March.
Speaker A:So in this article it says Cleary believe that his wife was bewitched and upon the advice of Dennis Ganey, the family doctor, in the presence of her father and a number of other relatives held her over a fire, stripped her, poured paraffin over the body and set fire to it.
Speaker A:The woman was burned to death without the slightest effort on the part of the spectators to extinguish the flames.
Speaker A:Cleary claimed that it was not his wife, but a witch that was burned.
Speaker A:But the Times reported this wrong.
Speaker A:Cleary didn't think she was a witch, they thought she was a changeling.
Speaker A:They thought she was a fairy.
Speaker A:So we're gonna travel back in time so we own Ireland.
Speaker A:And you already hear my terrible Irish accent as we go through this.
Speaker A:Oh, it's so good.
Speaker A:We're going to the town of Bellieved in the county of Tipperary.
Speaker A:I'm going to try not to do terrible Irish.
Speaker A:They're all going to stop that.
Speaker A:Okay, so within the.
Speaker A:Within the.
Speaker A:Within valley, the day I had the name right, whatever, it's a town outside of Tipperary or within that county, there lived the Clearlies.
Speaker A:They were members of the town Catholic parish.
Speaker A: So: Speaker A:These are the Catholic Irish people, right?
Speaker A:So if you have Irish, if you're from Ireland or you are Irish, you know, it's a deal.
Speaker A:All right, so they were.
Speaker A:They were.
Speaker A:They were Irish Catholics.
Speaker A:They lived in a laborer's cottage with Bridget's father, Patrick, of course, Boland, and there's me.
Speaker A:A lot of Patrick's in the story, and we'll try and keep them straight.
Speaker A:So Michael, clearly, he was described as a clever fellow, and he worked as a cooper.
Speaker A:So cooper sounds really fun when I say it that way.
Speaker A:Cooper.
Speaker A:So coopers are the people who put the metal rings on whiskey casts and wine barrels.
Speaker A:That's what a cooper is.
Speaker A:And actually the reason I know that is because there is a restaurant near here, and I looked it up.
Speaker A:But also, I drink a lot of wine and whiskey.
Speaker A:So Bridget, she was described as handsome, pretty.
Speaker A:She's a pretty woman.
Speaker A:She was 26 years old.
Speaker A:They've been married for eight years, but hadn't had any children.
Speaker A:And she was a dressmaker, and she had been to a convent school.
Speaker A:And they learned how to make dresses.
Speaker A:She had a sewing machine, and so she was making dresses for the town.
Speaker A:And also she had an income from keeping hen, so she had chickens.
Speaker A:And she was known as an unusually independent woman for the time.
Speaker A:So a lot of things that I read, you know, kind of theories about what this happened, like, some theories are that Michael was pissed off that his wife was a breadwinner because she was making all the money.
Speaker A:Like, I guess, like he wasn't cooping fast enough.
Speaker A:And she's just like, yeah, I would.
Speaker A:You know, I didn't get.
Speaker B:I'm hawking eggs and dresses over here, motherfucker.
Speaker B:Step it up with your coupon.
Speaker A:So she's, you know, kind of did what she want.
Speaker A: ther died the year before, in: Speaker A:And local superstition had named them as haunts of the Fae folk.
Speaker A:And the idea is she would go there to try and see her mother.
Speaker A:So within this portion of Ireland, there are circles from the Iron Age of, like, places where, like, forts that people had built back then.
Speaker A: But in: Speaker A:She catches a cold, and that may have turned into pneumonia, may it May have been tuberculosis or not.
Speaker A:Like, we just know Bridget got sick.
Speaker A:And so we're going to dive into, like, the trials of bridget.
Speaker A:So a doctor, Dr. Crean, was summoned to the house, and he arrived on March 13, and he was like, you know what?
Speaker A:She's got nervous excitement because she's a woman.
Speaker A:And that's, you know, what we have?
Speaker A:We have nervous excitement.
Speaker A:And she also probably has bronchitis.
Speaker A:So, you know, here's some medicine.
Speaker A:Take this medicine.
Speaker A:She'll be fine.
Speaker A:Leaves.
Speaker A:But the family members were like, you know, I don't think that she's got bronchitis.
Speaker A:I think she's having a fairy stroke.
Speaker A:So, yeah, clearly this is.
Speaker A:This is not, you know, a cold or she's not coughing because anything.
Speaker A:She's coughing because she's having a fairy struggle stroke.
Speaker A:So they basically thought that she had been stolen by fairies and they were putting her on fairy trial.
Speaker A:So fairy trial involved a lot of horrific things that we'll get into, but in the belief was that, okay, she's been taken.
Speaker A:You have nine days to get Bridget back.
Speaker A:You've got to get her back before nine days or she's lost to the fairy world forever.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So the same day this.
Speaker A:And so the doctor comes and he's had.
Speaker A:Has.
Speaker A:They've been trying to summon him for a while.
Speaker A:So we're already in, like, day nine.
Speaker A:I think we're at D9 of day nine, like day six of the fairy trial.
Speaker A:So she's been going through some shit.
Speaker A:So the documents, like, give her this medicine.
Speaker A:They're also like, we're going to call the priest because we're Catholic.
Speaker A:So Father Ryan comes, and he comes the same day as a doctor, and she's in bed.
Speaker A:And he said that she did not converse with him except as a priest, and her conversation was quite coherent and intelligible.
Speaker A:So by.
Speaker A:By conversing with him as a priest, basically means he heard her confession and then he gave her the extreme unction, which is also known as the last rites.
Speaker A:So he's like, just in case, like, we're gonna do this, so just confess.
Speaker B:Just in case you croak.
Speaker B:Here's your last rights.
Speaker A:Yeah, here's your last rights.
Speaker A:And so the next day they try and call him again, and he is like, I just gave her the last rights.
Speaker A:Like, I gave.
Speaker A:She doesn't seem that sick.
Speaker A:I'm not going to back.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that evening, a neighbor and his wife were going to go visit Bridget because she's really sick.
Speaker A:And they ran into Johanna or Johanna, I guess Irish probably.
Speaker A:Johanna.
Speaker A:Johanna Burke, who was Bridget's cousin and her young daughter Katie, Evil Katie was even existing back then and said, and so Johanna is like, they're giving her herbs and they got from Gainy over the mountain and nobody will be let in for some, some time.
Speaker A:So Johanna and evil Katie, I'm sure she's not evil Katie, she's fine Katie.
Speaker A:And the neighbor and his wife are standing outside waiting to go in and they can hear somebody yelling.
Speaker A:And I'm quoting this, and please don't get mad for what I'm about to say.
Speaker A:They can hear somebody yelling, take it you bitch, you old faggot, or we will burn you.
Speaker A:And so after a while the door finally opened and they could hear from inside, away she go.
Speaker A:Away, away she go.
Speaker A:And so the door had been open to let the fairies out.
Speaker A:And that's who they've been yelling at.
Speaker A:We're, we're fairies.
Speaker A:So they go inside the house and inside the house now there's, there's four other men.
Speaker A:There's John Dunn, who is considered as the fairy expert.
Speaker A:He's a fairy expert in this town.
Speaker A:And he was like, this is not Bridgie Boland.
Speaker A:So he's like, no, no, it's not her.
Speaker A:And so there's could be alluding to, you know, she looks different because she was sick.
Speaker A:She was really, really sick.
Speaker A:Like, no, this doesn't look like her.
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker A:He was like, also one of her legs is shorter than the other.
Speaker A:Clearly that's a fairy thing.
Speaker A:I'm like, nah, we like all of her legs are generally not the same length.
Speaker A:You know, I don't know if it was like, how did you know this?
Speaker A:Like, were you measuring her legs?
Speaker B:Yeah, they decided like, hope, let's measure her legs.
Speaker B:And that will be the dead giveaway if it's her.
Speaker A:Yeah, clearly if she's a fairy, duh.
Speaker A:So also inside was Patrick, of course, J and William Kennedy, who were.
Speaker A:They were described as young men, big black haired Tipperary peasants.
Speaker A:And if anybody has like been with me in Ireland, you know that's my jam.
Speaker A:Hi, Dave, I miss you.
Speaker A:Give me a call.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I do love some black Irish.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But they were Johannes brothers and also first cousins of Bridget.
Speaker A:So they're in there.
Speaker A:And so these three big strapping lads are holding Bridget down, who is in bed in her night dress, dress while her husband Michael is next to her and he's calling for a liquid and said, throw it on her.
Speaker A:So that was holy water.
Speaker A:So they're dousing her with holy water.
Speaker A:And Mary Kennedy, Bridget's mom, is also there.
Speaker A:And then they also brought.
Speaker A:And so also the.
Speaker A:They said saucepan.
Speaker A:So I think the holy water might have been cooking.
Speaker A:As they're throwing this on her, I think they're scalding her with.
Speaker A:With holy water.
Speaker B:Water.
Speaker A:And then Michael gave her something on a spoon, and she was held down for 10 minutes while one of the men kept his mouth.
Speaker A:His hand over her mouth while she.
Speaker A:Like to make sure she drank it, while they yelled at her, away with you.
Speaker A:Come back, Bridget Boland, in the name of God.
Speaker A:After a while of this fun medicinal time, they carried her to the kitchen fire.
Speaker A:And while they were doing that, the neighbor said he could see red marks on her forehead.
Speaker A:And he was told they had to use the poker to make her take her medicine.
Speaker A:So they're basically like hitting her with a hot poker.
Speaker A:Also thought to be because it's iron.
Speaker A:So fairies don't like iron.
Speaker A:Which, you know, learned, but.
Speaker A:And then they held her bodies.
Speaker A:It was resting on the bars of the Great where the fire was burning.
Speaker A:While they said the rosary, her husband asked her a bunch of questions and said if she didn't answer her name three times, they would burn her.
Speaker A:And she answered all their questions.
Speaker A:Like you do when you're being held to a fire and you're like, yeah, yeah, my name is Bridget.
Speaker A:Is Bridget.
Speaker A:It told you, bitch.
Speaker A:It's Bridget, bitch.
Speaker A:It's Bridget.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:And they're like, no fairy would say that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they're like, identify everybody in this room.
Speaker A:And she's like, that's my ma.
Speaker A:Like my fucking cousin over there.
Speaker A:Fuck that guy.
Speaker A:Fuck you.
Speaker A:Fuck you, Patrick.
Speaker A:Fuck you, William.
Speaker A:Like, that's what I would be saying.
Speaker A:So that happens.
Speaker A: y also just died because it's: Speaker A:So they go to the wake, which.
Speaker A:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:And then finally, like, Johanna left at like 6am so there have been at least 13 present people in that cottage that night.
Speaker A:And nobody stopped, like, what was happening or what was going on.
Speaker A:At one point, Bridget yelled, the police are at the window.
Speaker A:Let you mind me now.
Speaker A:But I think she's just trying to be like, look over there.
Speaker A:There'.
Speaker B:Please.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But unfortunately for her, there were no.
Speaker A:There were no coppers.
Speaker A:So Friday morning, Father Ryan comes back and he's like.
Speaker A:To celebrate mass of him.
Speaker A:And Michael's like, yeah, you know, Bridget had a very bad night, and he was like, well, did you give her the medicine?
Speaker A:The doctor left, and Michael was like, no, I don't believe in that.
Speaker A:People not believing in medicine.
Speaker A:Yeah, shocking.
Speaker A:So he's like, I have no faith in it.
Speaker A:And that my people may have some remedy of their own that can do more good than doctors of medicine.
Speaker A:And so the priest noted that Bridget seemed more nervous and excited than she had on Wednesday, probably because she had been tortured for the past.
Speaker A:Like, she.
Speaker A:That would make me nervous and excited.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So he left.
Speaker A:He was like, okay, whatever.
Speaker A:I'm leaving now.
Speaker A:So what we think that she was taking instead of the doctor's medicine in addition to being, you know, slobbed with hot pokers.
Speaker A:So there was an herb doctor named Dennis Ganey who was friends with John do, the fairy expert.
Speaker A:And that was what caused Michael Cleary to not want to use a real medicine for what was later called in court as fairy quackery.
Speaker A:I like that word.
Speaker A:Fairy crockery.
Speaker A:And so they think they're often associated with fairies.
Speaker A:Was foxglove, which is often called fairy thimbles, which sounds adorable.
Speaker A:Foxglove's really toxic and.
Speaker A:And it's really pretty.
Speaker A:I grow some in the witch's garden.
Speaker A:I'm trying to grow it for a while, but, yeah, it's.
Speaker A:If you drink a bunch of it, you're gonna die.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, of course it's gonna make you, like, vomit.
Speaker A:Maybe you'll vomit up the fairy.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A:It can be pretty lethal.
Speaker A:So that's what they think they were giving her instead of, you know, obviously, you're probably what the doctor gave him probably wasn't even good either.
Speaker B:Well, trusting medicine, I'm like, oh, well, it's.
Speaker B:That's also a different.
Speaker A:Yeah, but also, like, I'm not going to listen to the human doctor.
Speaker A:I'm going to listen to the fairy doctor.
Speaker A:Like, you know, I may want to listen to the dude.
Speaker A:Anyways, so visitors came back to you.
Speaker A:They were, like, coming in and out all the day to go visit Bridget.
Speaker A:And according to Johanna, who was there most of the day, she was like.
Speaker A:Bridget was in her right mind, only frightened.
Speaker A:Well, no shit.
Speaker A:Of course she was fucking scared.
Speaker A:You're burning her.
Speaker A:You're putting her in the fire.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'd be afraid to.
Speaker A:All right, so the night came, and Johanna went out to fetch Thomas Smith and David Hogan.
Speaker A:And they come to the house and they find Michael, Mary Kennedy, that's Bridget's mom, Johanna Mira Pat Leahy, another Patrick and Pat Boland, more Patrick's Patrick.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And Michael had a bottle in his hand and asked Bridget, will you take this now?
Speaker A:As Tom Smith and David Hogan are here, and the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Speaker A:Tom was like, what is that?
Speaker A:And he's like, I was.
Speaker A:Holy water.
Speaker A:So Bridget, drink it.
Speaker A:And this is very.
Speaker A:A lot of supernatural things to hear.
Speaker A:Does it going back and forth, like, drink the holy water.
Speaker A:You're not a demon.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:Fine, I'll fucking drink it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So then they allow her to get up and they basically, like, put on a dress and a shawl and she goes and sits by the fire and she tells Michael, your mother used to go with the fairies.
Speaker A:That is why you think I'm going with them.
Speaker A:And there's this whole thing about Michael's mom fucking fairies that I don't know.
Speaker A:Like, she used to go lay with them, whatever.
Speaker A:So then they're like, well, well, you're going to swallow these three bits of bread and jam while you answer question.
Speaker A:And Michael forced her to eat the third piece.
Speaker A:And they're like, you have to drink that.
Speaker A:You have to eat this before we give you this tea.
Speaker A:So she's like, sick, dying.
Speaker A:And they're like, eat some dry bread, bitch.
Speaker B:Yeah, lovely.
Speaker B:That sounds delicious.
Speaker A:And shockingly, she's having issues drinking this.
Speaker A:So Michael says, you know, hold on one second.
Speaker A:I'm going to pause it so I can mute my cough.
Speaker A:That's coming through.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So basically they're as.
Speaker B:They are trying to get her to, like, take all of this, like, shit while she's sick as fuck.
Speaker B:When you don't want to eat anything or chew on anything or any of that.
Speaker B:That's what they're trying to do.
Speaker B:They're trying to make her eat a bunch of dry shit.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:But it's a jam on it, so clearly, you know.
Speaker B:But it was really good jam.
Speaker A:Probably was.
Speaker A:So Michael basically says, you know, if you won't take it down, you go.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:He threw her on the floor, knelt at her chest.
Speaker A:Chest and shoved the bread down her throat.
Speaker A:And then according to Johanna, he stripped off all their clothes.
Speaker A:But her chemise took a lipstick from the fire, put it at her mouth.
Speaker A:And at this point, Johanna says that she and the other Kennedys tried to leave.
Speaker A:I don't know if I believe you, Johanna, but that Michael had the key to the door and wouldn't let the them out.
Speaker A:So Michael then threw lamp oil on Bridget and then she was thrown on the fire.
Speaker A:Where she was burned and the room was full of smoke and smell.
Speaker A:And so Bridget and her brothers and her mom go into the other rooms.
Speaker A:And Michael eventually came in to get a big sack and said to Johanna, hold your tongue, Hannah.
Speaker A:It is not, you know, it is not Bridget I am burning.
Speaker A:You will soon see her go up in the chat chimney.
Speaker A:And her brother said, burn her if you like, but give us the key and let us out.
Speaker A:So fuck you guys.
Speaker A:Fuck all of you.
Speaker A:Fuck you, Patrick.
Speaker A:Fuck you, Patrick.
Speaker A:Fuck you, Patrick.
Speaker A:All the Patrick's.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:So basically they go into.
Speaker A:Johanna went to the other room.
Speaker A:She found Bridget dead, lying on the floor on a sheet, face down.
Speaker A:And her legs were turned, turned upwards because the fire had made them contract.
Speaker A:How horrific of a picture of that.
Speaker A:It's just horrible.
Speaker A:She was burned alive.
Speaker A:The burned her alive.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So she.
Speaker A:Her body was wrapped in a sheet and was buried in a bog that was near the cottage, like a thousand yards from there.
Speaker A:And a few days after St. Patrick's Day, everyone's like, where's Bridget?
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, yeah, I think she was taken by the fairies.
Speaker A:Huh.
Speaker B:Weird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Her husband was like, yep, that's what happened.
Speaker A:Fairy sticker.
Speaker A:Eventually, though, they found the body.
Speaker A:And they found the body about five days later.
Speaker A:And thankfully they actually did a coroner's inquest.
Speaker A:Nine of Bridget's family members are arrested and charged.
Speaker A:Charged him, murder.
Speaker A:And then it became this whole thing too.
Speaker A:So they go to.
Speaker A:This goes to trial and everything, like with the investigation, legal battle and the public.
Speaker A:So this is a time where, if you haven't known, there's some issues with Ireland wanting to be a republic.
Speaker A:Who knew?
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But all the English were like, why should they be able to rule themselves?
Speaker A:They believe in fairy folk.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:It actually became a huge political issue on top of everything else but trials.
Speaker A:Very well documented, which is how most of the things, most of the things that I was talking about came from Johanna's testimony.
Speaker A:So Michael goes on trial and he denied having murdered his wife.
Speaker A:He was like, no, no, I murdered a changeling.
Speaker A:I didn't murder my wife.
Speaker A:She was a fairy.
Speaker A:And so this became known as the fairy to defense.
Speaker A:And oddly, the court didn't believe that as a good defense mechanism.
Speaker B:Relief though.
Speaker A:But he was found guilty of manslaughter and served 15 years.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:15 Years for burning his wife alive.
Speaker A:And after which he went to Canada, you know, like you do.
Speaker A:Patrick Bowen, Canada, with a.
Speaker B:Like dwi, with the.
Speaker B:The Fuck.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This time they're just like, whatever.
Speaker A:You burned your wife.
Speaker A:Come on over.
Speaker A:Patrick Boland served six months of hard labor.
Speaker A:Bridget's cousins and her uncle, they served sentences between three to five years.
Speaker A:Bridget's body was unclaimed by her incarcerated kin and untouched by the church because they were, like, didn't want to get associated with this.
Speaker A:And they Quiet.
Speaker A:She was quietly buried one evening by two.
Speaker A:This is from the Find a grave website.
Speaker A:She was quietly buried one evening by two constables just outside the church while at the dragon and cloning parish Church and unmarked grave besides her mother's.
Speaker A:So unless you're, you know, hopefully her mother's grave was marked and that's where they need to put her, but, you know, really weird.
Speaker B:Otherwise, then nobody would really know where she was.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's fucking awful.
Speaker A:It's fucking awful.
Speaker A:But it does have some lasting impact.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:And there are a lot of people who will say that Bridget Cleary was the last witch to be burned at the stake, which is a misnomer.
Speaker A:She was not.
Speaker A:Not at a stake.
Speaker A:Not a witch.
Speaker A:You know, so that's wrong.
Speaker A:But they did.
Speaker A:This did set a precedent in Irish law that a person cannot be harmed or killed for suspicion of witchcraft, and a belief in witchcraft cannot be used as an insanity offense in a murder trial.
Speaker A: gal law there that it took to: Speaker A:As your defense like that.
Speaker A:That's not okay.
Speaker A:It also became an Irish children's nursery rhyme that really reminds me of, like, how Lizzie Borden became one.
Speaker A:And so to this day, like, the rhyme goes, are you a witch or are you a fairy?
Speaker A:Are you the wife of Michael Clary?
Speaker A:So little kids still, like, evil little children still dance around singing that.
Speaker A:That's great.
Speaker A:And there's obviously been a ton of podcasts and things that were done to this.
Speaker A:There actually is an episode of Lore that made it into the Lore television show called Black Stockings that.
Speaker A: That was from: Speaker A:And it's really good episode.
Speaker A:Not everything.
Speaker A:I mean, obviously there's things that are exaggerated, but I thought it was well done.
Speaker A:It's pretty cool.
Speaker A:And there was also a fun Irish band named Burning Bridget Clary, who.
Speaker A:Who disbanded, but they're still members, are still off doing things.
Speaker A:And you can go to burningbridgetclary.com and see them.
Speaker A:Not pictures of Bridget Claire burning.
Speaker B:That's kind of a relief.
Speaker A:So that's the story of Bridget Clary,.
Speaker B:The not a changeling.
Speaker A:The likely not a changeling.
Speaker A:Who was basically abused and murdered by her husband and all his family while they stood around and watched.
Speaker A:Yeah, and her family too.
Speaker A:I think that's what's more fucked up.
Speaker A:It's like it wasn't his family, that it was her family.
Speaker A:Like her dad, her mom were there, all her cousins.
Speaker B:None of them were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, pump the brakes here.
Speaker A:Yeah, we like Bridget.
Speaker A:Bridget's fine.
Speaker A:Bridget has a cough.
Speaker A:Like, none of them really, they're like, nah, clearly it's.
Speaker A:She is a changeling.
Speaker A:Like, that is fucked up.
Speaker A:So we're gonna go back now into our episode and talk about very sad segue into Dean asking if the only way you could kill fairies is with fire.
Speaker B:And they have changelings this time.
Speaker B:Changelings.
Speaker B:So, yeah, changelings with fire.
Speaker B:And so the answer is, yeah, they have to be killed with fire.
Speaker B:And that the real kids, probably stashed, have been stashed somewhere, probably likely underground somewhere.
Speaker B:So Dean decides, though, before they go rescue the real kids and because they've got an idea of where they might be, he's going to try to go save Ben and Lisa first.
Speaker B:So he shows up and obviously Lisa's not happy to see him.
Speaker B:Last time they saw each other, she was like, stay the fuck away from me, my kid.
Speaker B:Because you're giving him bad life advice to go, like, kick bullies in the balls.
Speaker B:So he tries to send them away for a weekender with his credit card, which is not his credit card at all.
Speaker A:No, no, this is not a good move, Dean.
Speaker A:Like, what are you thinking?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But it's already too late.
Speaker B:Ben's already a changeling.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So Lisa sends him away and he's like, oh, shit, I really do have to go.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And he finds the red markings on the windowsill and that's when they like, okay, this is where we need to go.
Speaker B:This is where to find the kids.
Speaker B:The red markings on the window sills weren't.
Speaker B:It wasn't paint.
Speaker B:Wasn't obviously wasn't blood.
Speaker B:It was red dirt.
Speaker B:And that's how they marked the windowsills of the kids that had been swapped out.
Speaker B:And there's this pile of red dirt in front of this.
Speaker B:This house that's under construction.
Speaker B:So they're like, searching the house.
Speaker B:House.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:They're searching the house, trying to, like, find, like, where the fuck these kids are hidden in this house.
Speaker B:And then they find kids, like, cages full of kids.
Speaker B:And Ben's trying to, like, escape.
Speaker B:And so, yay.
Speaker B:Dean helps him as they're trying to, like, Open up the, you know, the cages.
Speaker B:The realtor shows up, he'll face Realtor.
Speaker B:Yep, Fucking realtor.
Speaker B:She's the mother of the changelings.
Speaker B:Gross.
Speaker B:And the real one, the real realtor person, is in a cage.
Speaker B:So Dean's trying to break the kids out with.
Speaker B:With Ben's help, Sam's trying to fight the changeling, the changeling mother with the flamethrower.
Speaker B:And as this is all happening, we cut periodically to like.
Speaker B:So evil.
Speaker B:Evil Ben is.
Speaker B:Keeps wanting to play with Lisa, but then she sees his reflection in the coffee.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:But before that, he's getting many deluxe mini pizzas.
Speaker A:And I'm like, fuck yeah.
Speaker A:Like, this is the best kid life ever.
Speaker A:Like, you've got a hot dog machine and you're getting deluxe mini pizzas.
Speaker A:That's so cool.
Speaker A:You're the luckiest kid ever, Evil Ben.
Speaker A:And yeah, but then Diana's face is like, yeah, what, you just don't want olives on your pizza?
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker A:Everybody likes all of us on their pizza.
Speaker B:I call this on my pizza.
Speaker B:But this little kid face reflection in the coffee table is terrifying.
Speaker B:And Lisa sees it at this point and so she knows that it's.
Speaker B:That something's up now.
Speaker B:She's starting to kind of like, piece things together.
Speaker B:So we cut back and we're still seeing the escape trying to happen, but.
Speaker B:And Sam has still been unable to defeat the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The changeling mother realtor.
Speaker B:So we cut back where Lisa and Ben are.
Speaker B:And Lisa just asks evil Ben where her son is and he just insists that he is.
Speaker B:So she grabs her car keys to like run and goes outside and the fucking three weird kids are outside watching her house.
Speaker B:And so she goes back in and evil Ben says, they don't want you to leave me, mommy.
Speaker A:So creepy.
Speaker B:Creepy kids and reflections are things I don't like.
Speaker B:Y' all have not remembered or caught on.
Speaker B:Don't like them.
Speaker B:They're very upsetting to me.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:So then we cut to mom and kids Katie, because evil Katie is of course trying to break into the fucking bathroom again.
Speaker B:And mom's locked herself in there again.
Speaker A:And she's trying to pour herself a bath.
Speaker A:She's like, I just want to have some me time.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:It was like, it is time for self care.
Speaker A:Katie.
Speaker A:Katie.
Speaker A:I just want to have a fucking bath.
Speaker A:And Katie is like, no, mommy, no.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, it's ugly.
Speaker B:So anyways, I wish you had like.
Speaker A:A glass of like chardonnay in there.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:I was like, she either needs a glass of chardonnay.
Speaker B:Or this bitch is about to throw the hairdryer in the bathtub with herself over this.
Speaker A:Or like a box.
Speaker A:Like maybe just like a box wine.
Speaker A:Like a box of Francia or something.
Speaker A:Just like a straw, like, sitting in there.
Speaker B:So Sam and Dean are still trying to burn the changeling mother, but she's super fucking strong.
Speaker B:She's kind of kicking their asses.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, she kicked both their asses.
Speaker A:She's just like.
Speaker B:Yeah, she's like beating the shit out of them.
Speaker B:So Dean decides to focus.
Speaker B:Dean tells Sam to get the kids out anyways.
Speaker B:They're going to back and forth.
Speaker B:Ben's being super helpful.
Speaker B:He's the little mini savior of the kiddos.
Speaker A:So helpful.
Speaker B:He's got a little paint bucket to make a step.
Speaker B:And then they finally burn the.
Speaker B:The mother.
Speaker B:Realtor.
Speaker B:I called her mother.
Speaker B:And then all the as.
Speaker B:As she sets on fire, all the changeling babies go up in flames.
Speaker B:So you see, like, fire from where evil Katie is under the bathroom door, you see fire where Ben was standing in freaking Lisa.
Speaker B:Lisa's house.
Speaker B:All the.
Speaker B:All the changeling babies go up in planes.
Speaker B:So by the way, if you were at, like, your house and you didn't.
Speaker B:You knew your kid was acting weird, but you didn't know they were fucking changeling.
Speaker B:And you're just like, chilling, watching, like, some garbage TV with your kids, and all of a sudden your kid just goes up in flames.
Speaker B:That'd be real weird.
Speaker A:Yeah, if you were just a helicopter mom, you'd like, this took like, oh, you want.
Speaker A:You want me to love you?
Speaker A:Yes, Yes, I want to give you.
Speaker A:You will get all the pizzas and the ice cream.
Speaker A:Yes, we will do that.
Speaker A:Oh, shit.
Speaker A:You're on fire.
Speaker B:That would be settings.
Speaker B:Just saying.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then we cut.
Speaker B:And all of a sudden it's daylight, which is weird to me because this is nighttime.
Speaker B:And then now all of a sudden, it's morning and all.
Speaker B:The only kid with Sam and Dean is Ben.
Speaker B:So does this mean that they are delivering Ben last to poor Lisa?
Speaker B:At least they had the relationship with that she had to wait last to get her fucking kid back?
Speaker A:Well, yeah, because someone call her and.
Speaker B:Be like, by the way, I have your child.
Speaker B:He's all right.
Speaker A:Like, I think they did.
Speaker A:I mean, I was not surprised to see them pull up.
Speaker A:But yeah, like, you had to get all these other children home.
Speaker A:So did like.
Speaker A:Did like all, like 10 children, like, pile into the Impala?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's what I'm Saying, like, it's weird.
Speaker B:Like, did they call their mom?
Speaker A:Like, hey, I got your real kid here.
Speaker B:Do you want to come pick him up?
Speaker B:It's not creepy at all.
Speaker B:I'm at this construction site.
Speaker B:I'm a single dude.
Speaker A:We're single dudes.
Speaker A:We have your children.
Speaker A:Would you like them back?
Speaker A:Like, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you're not getting arrested at all?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not gonna be weird.
Speaker B:So she.
Speaker B:Lisa says that she wants to know what happened.
Speaker B:So Dean offers to explain, but tells her that she probably doesn't want him to.
Speaker B:I'm kind of surprised.
Speaker B:I didn't.
Speaker B:I thought they were gonna have to make some dumb shit up.
Speaker B:But there really was.
Speaker B:I mean, how do you make something up at this point?
Speaker B:They just watched, like, they saw their kid turn into a fucking evil creature and then go up in flames.
Speaker B:So Lisa hugs Dean and thanks him.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, I'll give you all a minute.
Speaker B:So they go inside and Dean.
Speaker B:And Dean tells.
Speaker B:Tells her what.
Speaker B:What it is.
Speaker B:He tells her what happens, happened, and says, you know why I never mentioned my job?
Speaker B:This is kind of my job.
Speaker B:And she's like, I didn't want to know that.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it's kind of weird.
Speaker B:It's kind of a weird moment.
Speaker B:But she.
Speaker B:She ensures.
Speaker B:She follows up by ensuring that Dean understands that Ben is not his.
Speaker B:That she did a DNA test and it belonged to a bar back.
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker A:Go ahead.
Speaker A:Who he belonged to.
Speaker A:But she didn't do a DNA test.
Speaker A:She did a blood test.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Excuse me.
Speaker A:Which is not in any way, shape or form a paternity test.
Speaker A: ranted with maternity test in: Speaker A:But unless, like, she had Dean's, like, blood in a vial, which you never know.
Speaker A:Supernatural.
Speaker B:She could.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, it could have been.
Speaker B:I mean, but she could have tested the bar back at the biker bar and verified.
Speaker B:Yeah, but.
Speaker A:But I mean, you can have.
Speaker A:For, like, Dean could have had the same blood type.
Speaker B:Well, if it was just blood type, yeah, but I think they can do a DNA test from blood.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:But she said we did a.
Speaker A:She said we did a blood test,.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:I thought you could do a blood.
Speaker B:A DNA test from blood or they do.
Speaker B:I thought they.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, of course, according to Maury.
Speaker A: But this was: Speaker A: This is not: Speaker B:But Maury was doing mouth swabs back then.
Speaker A:She said she had a blood test.
Speaker A:And so it also was eight years before, too.
Speaker A: his would have been in, like,: Speaker A:Like, there's no.
Speaker A:There' no way she could have known whether or not Ben was his or not.
Speaker A:There's no way.
Speaker B:But she would have known if Ben was someone else's.
Speaker A:No, because that somebody else could have had the same blood type as Dean.
Speaker B:Just comparing blood type.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker A:That's what she said.
Speaker A:She did a blood type test.
Speaker A:So blood type test would mean this child has a positive blood.
Speaker A:And so, like, thing had like.
Speaker A:So like biker, biker.
Speaker B:I just didn't.
Speaker B:I didn't take it that way at all.
Speaker B:I took it as shit.
Speaker B:Did a DNA test from a blood sample or they were just using shitty references.
Speaker A:1999.
Speaker A:No, it's shitty.
Speaker A:It's a shitty show.
Speaker B:Writing.
Speaker A:It is not conclusive.
Speaker A:And also, I think this also probably the point.
Speaker B:Got it.
Speaker B:So she said it was a bar back at a biker bar because she had a type.
Speaker B:And you could tell that he kind of like Dean kind of wanted it to be his kid.
Speaker B:But he's like, look, this is not my house, the kid.
Speaker B:This isn't my life.
Speaker B:It never works.
Speaker B:Will be.
Speaker B:And we know that he's kind of like obsessing over the fact that he's got a short timeline left.
Speaker B:But also he is kind of like just.
Speaker B:He's like, what?
Speaker B:He says.
Speaker B:He says that he's like, what am I leaving behind the car?
Speaker B:And so she points out that, look, Ben might not be yours, but he wouldn't even be alive if it wasn't for Dean.
Speaker B:Which is a good point because it does come back.
Speaker B:This is something that circled back to as a thematic.
Speaker B:Thematic.
Speaker B:A theme with the brothers is the people that wouldn't have have been saved without them.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We had this in the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The gin episode.
Speaker B:Things that.
Speaker B:Things that wouldn't have been horrible.
Speaker B:Things that wouldn't have been prevented in people's lives that wouldn't have been saved.
Speaker B:So it's kind of a good point.
Speaker B:And so Dean says that he would have been proud to be his daddy.
Speaker B:Lisa kisses Dean and offers for him to stay.
Speaker A:I like how you vomited on that.
Speaker A:I thought it was a sweet line.
Speaker A:And the things that Liz likes.
Speaker A:And like, he was just like, yeah, I would have been always, like, I would have been proud to be his dad.
Speaker A:And then Lisa kisses him.
Speaker A:And that also wasn't in the script.
Speaker A:That was a recommendation either of.
Speaker A:I don't know if it was Phil or it was Crippy.
Speaker A:I forget who said it, but there is like, they just had pulled her Aside.
Speaker A:And they're like, yeah, go kiss it.
Speaker A:And she's like, what?
Speaker A:And she's like, it's on the script.
Speaker A:And they're like, yeah, but we also want it to be a surprise.
Speaker A:Like, we want to get, like, his.
Speaker A:Like, the look on his face.
Speaker A:And they're like, what?
Speaker A:Do you not want to kiss him?
Speaker A:And she's like, fuck, yeah, of course I want to kiss him.
Speaker A:So she was just like, I don't go plant one on Jensen.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:She did, yeah.
Speaker A:Slit in the tongue, I'm sure.
Speaker B:Like, you do, but yeah.
Speaker B:And so she offers for him to stay, but he's like, look, I got a lot of work to do and this isn't my life.
Speaker B:And so they leave.
Speaker B:So we cut back to the motel while this is going on.
Speaker B:And Sam is calling people, trying to locate Mom's friends.
Speaker B:I will point out, also, this is the first time, like, we get a look at this motel room a couple times.
Speaker B:This is really the best look.
Speaker B:We get at it.
Speaker B:It's a fucking cool motel room.
Speaker B:There's a wall of mirror tiles that have, like, these badass, like, 60 starbursts on them, and I want them.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But he's calling people, trying to locate all these friends, supposed friends of his mom.
Speaker B:And they're all fucking dead.
Speaker B:Everybody dead.
Speaker A:All my friends are dead.
Speaker A:All my friends are dead.
Speaker B:So, anyways, let me cut.
Speaker B:Then Hoop shows up, but fucking Blondie, because he calls her like, like, what the.
Speaker B:So you wiped out all of my mom's friends, right?
Speaker B:And so he's like.
Speaker B:And he's like, what?
Speaker B:How did you know this?
Speaker B:I want to know how you knew this.
Speaker B:And she's like, no, you don't want to know who I am.
Speaker B:And then he's like, no, I do.
Speaker B:So they go back and forth.
Speaker B:And then she blinks, and she's got demon eyes.
Speaker A:Blondie's a demon.
Speaker B:And she calls him a racist for not wanting to kill him.
Speaker B:But she insists that she wants to help him.
Speaker B:They both have, like, look, I don't really know what the plan is.
Speaker B:I don't know why it all happened.
Speaker B:I don't know what fucking Youth Plan is.
Speaker B:But it's in my interest to help you here.
Speaker B:So if you and me help each other to figure out what the fuck's going on, why it's all happening.
Speaker B:Because it's all tied back to fucking Sam.
Speaker B:We figure this out, then I'll help to.
Speaker B:I'll help you save Dean.
Speaker A:Here's my little carrot.
Speaker A:I'M dangling in front of you.
Speaker A:I'll save your brother.
Speaker A:Carrot.
Speaker A:Follow it, Sam.
Speaker A:Follow it.
Speaker A:I'm just a demon.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker B:These boys favorite carrot.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Save each other.
Speaker A:It's a good carrot.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think we'll see that come in and out for a while, but yeah.
Speaker A:So were you shocked that she was a demon?
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:Assumed she was another hunter.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:Because I love having your perspective because I'm just, you know, I know who she is.
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh, okay.
Speaker B:I just assumed she was another hunter that they just didn't know for some reason.
Speaker B:And I was like, she could have had some kind of, like, supernatural element to her, but, like, I didn't.
Speaker B:I didn't think she was a demon.
Speaker A:Yeah, she is a demon,.
Speaker B:Blondie.
Speaker B:Demon Blondie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So I got.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Diana didn't like this episode.
Speaker A:No, I thought it was adorable.
Speaker A:I don't like kids.
Speaker B:I don't like creepy kids and I don't like creepy reflections.
Speaker B:And there was a lot of those things.
Speaker A:There was also a lot of snacks, though, and I really like snacks.
Speaker A:So I just.
Speaker B:Eating dinner when I just.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:Me eating coconut curry for dinner when I watched this, I was not in the mood for a snack is probably part of the problem.
Speaker A:I'm always in the mood for a snack.
Speaker A:I don't care how full I am.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, yeah, give me all the snacks.
Speaker A:Give me a hot dog machine and fucking evil French fries.
Speaker B:French fries.
Speaker A:Okay, all right.
Speaker A:And then we're sign off then.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Cheers, jerk.
Speaker B:Cheers, bitch.
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