4:17 It's A Terrible Life
Have you spent your time in cubicle hell? Have you ever told someone to try turning it on and off? Have you ever been forced to wear an off colored polo shirt while towing the company line? Then this episode may trigger the shit out of you. It's Supernatural, Season Four, Episode 17, "It's a Terrible Life."
Liz explores the haunting of the Texas State Capitol. Mainly because she thinks it's funny to scare Diana.
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- Ghostfacers- how to... - YouTube
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- The Master Cleanse Review 2022 - Rip-Off or Worth To Try? Here is Why..
- James L. Conway - Contact Info, Agent, Manager | IMDbPro
- The Haunted Texas State Capitol Building | The Haunted Capitol Building
- Politicians come and go, but some spirits call State Capitol their home
- Emigrant Strikebreakers: Scottish Granite Cutters and the Texas Capitol Boycott on JSTOR
- Convict labor and the Texas State Capitol - Texas Prisons | TSLAC
- SPB - Capitol History
- Spooky politics: Texas capital home to ghosts - USATODAY.com
- Haunted Capitol: Tour explores death, ghost stories in statehouse
- Haunted Office Buildings - Friedman Real Estate : Friedman Real Estate
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we will talk about how hitting your employees is illegal in some states.
Speaker B:All states.
Speaker A:Probably all states.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:I'm Liz.
Speaker A:I'm aimless Amlas Am Liz.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Today we're going to talk season four, episode 17, it's a terrible Life.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:It really fucking is.
Speaker A:We nailed it.
Speaker A:Supernatural.
Speaker A:What have you been up to?
Speaker B:Well, oh, yeah, I mean, I guess.
Speaker A:We could probably tell people that this is a Saturday and not the day we normally record.
Speaker B:A little earlier than normal this week.
Speaker B:But I did go.
Speaker A:I just kicked right down.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:Yeah, so I went to once all the Texas Rangers play with the family and they lost.
Speaker B:No one's.
Speaker B:I'd say no one's shocked.
Speaker B:They've actually been doing decent, so they almost won.
Speaker B:It was kind of a bummer.
Speaker A:Most importantly, what did you eat at the stadium?
Speaker B:I'm not super stoked on my food last night or at the game.
Speaker B:Like, stadium food was what I was most excited about.
Speaker B:And beer, Duh, that's what, that's what you go to games for, obviously.
Speaker B:But I had, I did have some cheese fries, which basically means the basket of fries and they have the.
Speaker B:A pump of the Rico's nacho cheese.
Speaker B:Like the good.
Speaker B:The good good.
Speaker B:Like that.
Speaker B:And then I had some brisket egg rolls which were pretty tasty.
Speaker B:Everything was like so salty.
Speaker B:I was dying a little bit.
Speaker A:Okay, well, I see you drink more beer.
Speaker B:Yeah, I did.
Speaker B:They're like, there's option of small or large.
Speaker B:I'm like, well, let's make love ultra.
Speaker B:So give me the large, obviously.
Speaker B:Duh.
Speaker A:So I want to hydrate.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So no, it was, it was, it was a good time though.
Speaker B:And had a lovely weekend breakfast with some out of town family members in downtown Grapevine this morning.
Speaker B:Which means breakfast tacos.
Speaker B:So, yeah, good time and mimosas.
Speaker B:So not mad at that.
Speaker B:And I got to explain to a someone from Missouri what come and take it was because it's on like everything in every store.
Speaker A:So you mean people outside of Texas aren't that familiar with the origins of that sign?
Speaker B:Apparently not.
Speaker B:I forget these things sometimes.
Speaker B:But you know, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's the Gonzalez butterfly.
Speaker B:Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:Here's your history, I think adopted enough that most a lot of people.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, I guess people just recognize it, but they probably don't know.
Speaker A:They just go, that's Texans.
Speaker B:And anyway, so that was Kind of, actually kind of cool.
Speaker B:I was like, oh yeah, I get to.
Speaker B:I get talk about Texas to non Texans.
Speaker B:Yeehaw.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But anyway, so yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's about it.
Speaker B:And hoping to get some pool time in now that we are in summertime and my pool's almost fucking done.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, there we go.
Speaker B:Hooray.
Speaker B:How about you?
Speaker A:I think I've been stuck in my office.
Speaker A:I don't remember leaving my office ever for the past week.
Speaker A:It's been insane trying to get ready to leave.
Speaker A:I leave tomorrow.
Speaker A:Don't rob my house.
Speaker A:I'm going to San Francisco for a large conference and I have a lot of events that I am doing, some of which took a lot of effort to put together.
Speaker A:And I kind of want to punch the people who volunteered me for this in the face.
Speaker A:But the one who thought it up does have Covid, and she's not coming from England, so I think that's kind of her punishment.
Speaker A:But that's also my punishment because I wanted to hang out with her because she's a very cool chick.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And so then it's also the.
Speaker A:Oh, going to a large conference when there's Covid surges, which means there's a lot of paranoia, there's a lot of people talking about COVID there's a lot of tests that I'm required to take.
Speaker A:There's a lot of.
Speaker A:You're required to.
Speaker A:A mask, Wear a mask.
Speaker A:But then these people are.
Speaker A:And, but.
Speaker A:And then like, just tell me what the fucking do and then download this app.
Speaker A:You know, spit on it, do a dance.
Speaker A:Make sure you do the Hokey Pokey.
Speaker A:Then maybe we'll validate it and maybe we'll keep your data safe.
Speaker A:We probably won't just hear it.
Speaker A:Give me all your IDs and all your personal medical information and upload it to my app.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:I promise you.
Speaker A:It's all good.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:But there will be a lot of people I get to see.
Speaker A:And it's just been a lot of work and it's going to be a lot of work and a lot of socializing and dance, monkey, dance.
Speaker A:I have like, I'm giving two talks that I haven't even looked at.
Speaker A:Like, I wrote the abstract for it like six months ago.
Speaker A:And then they needed talks to this, so I just threw the abstract to them.
Speaker A:I'm like, I don't even know what I'm doing.
Speaker B:Oh my gosh.
Speaker B:Oh my gosh.
Speaker B:You'll be fine.
Speaker B:You'll be fine.
Speaker A:But we're recording this, and then I'm going to hopefully get stuff packed.
Speaker A:That is my last thing to do.
Speaker A:And then my new favorite masseuse is coming to my house, and I'm hopefully going to relax my way into the evening and then wake up tomorrow refreshed and get on the plane, which will be on time and there won't be any problems getting through security.
Speaker A:Nobody will go insane on the plane.
Speaker A:My friend just.
Speaker A:He's on.
Speaker A:He just to, I think Saudi or something who flew for work, and he is flying out of Newark.
Speaker A:And somebody on the plane as they were boarding had a medical incident.
Speaker A:They were grounded.
Speaker A:They stopped loading the plane.
Speaker A:It took two hours for an ambulance to get there.
Speaker A:And apparently the pilot was a very snarky German guy because it was a Lufthansa plane.
Speaker B:Yikes.
Speaker A:And just.
Speaker A:It was just like, well, guess that's, you know, don't kill, don't get sick anywhere.
Speaker A:And like, it was just like, basically talking about, like, how terrible that was.
Speaker A:And I'm just.
Speaker B:It is kind of absurd.
Speaker A:That is very upsetting.
Speaker A:Yeah, very upsetting, for sure.
Speaker B:Are you having a beverage this.
Speaker B:This fine day?
Speaker B:While we prepare for this?
Speaker A:I have two.
Speaker A:It was very thirsty and I wasn't sure if I wanted to drink alcohol.
Speaker A:And I had a topo, so I'm having a topo chico to see if that solves my hydration.
Speaker A:And then if it solves my hydration, then I also have a.
Speaker A:Because it's the day, so therefore all day.
Speaker A:And this is from the Cl Bouto is how you say that.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:They're a local winery, actually.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're here in Dripping.
Speaker A:So next time you're down, we go.
Speaker A:They're in my brother's favorites.
Speaker A:But I do like the grape that comes from.
Speaker A:It says Ramato, a skin contact pinot gris.
Speaker A:So Ramato Ramato.
Speaker B:That's fun.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So whatever that means, I'm happy with it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I had a. I had a cantaloupe I didn't know what to do with.
Speaker B:It's a whole thing is the grocery store broke me last week because it was that they had melons.
Speaker B:So cantaloupe, personal watermelons and pineapple mix and match.
Speaker B:Buy two, get three free.
Speaker B:So you have to get fucking five then, right?
Speaker B:You can't just get two.
Speaker B:Anyways, it's a thing my brain was breaking in the grocery store.
Speaker B:So I got a cantaloupe, a personal watermelon, and three pineapples.
Speaker B:I had to throw One pineapple away, anyways, but I didn't want to throw the cantaloupe away, so I made agua fresca and then I mixed it with a little bit of rum and put some tajin in it, and it's lovely.
Speaker A:That sounds like a lovely cocktail and sounds very refreshing.
Speaker A:And in summer.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I was like.
Speaker A:By agua fresca, do you just mean you mix some fruits with some sparkling water?
Speaker B:No, no, I did.
Speaker B:It's blended.
Speaker B:I took.
Speaker B:I cut it up and blended the fruit with water.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:So you just do it with some water, and then you put in a pitcher, and then you stir in a little bit of lime juice.
Speaker B:And then you can add a sweetener.
Speaker B:They say use, like, you can use agave, you can use regular sugar or you can use honey or like.
Speaker B:Or something else, I'm sure.
Speaker B:But I just.
Speaker B:I did some honey just for a little bit of sweetness.
Speaker B:It doesn't need much.
Speaker B:I mean, it was a pretty sweet fruit, but.
Speaker B:And I don't like a ton of extra sugar, so it's pretty tasty, though.
Speaker B:I'm happy.
Speaker B:Feel very summery over here.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ready?
Speaker A:She's also in a bikini.
Speaker A:You can't see it right now, but Diana is totally podcasting in a two piece.
Speaker A:It's scandalous.
Speaker B:Not today.
Speaker B:Another day, maybe.
Speaker B:All right, let's talk about It's a Terrible life.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:This was directed by James Elk Conway, and this was his first time directing a Supernatural episode.
Speaker A:Has directed many, many other episodes of television, including the Magician and Charmed, the Good One, not the New One and Smallville, and also a ton of Star Trek shit.
Speaker A:But I just hate Trek on principle now because I work with a bunch of mediocre dudes and they all love Star Trek.
Speaker A:So I'm just fucking tired of hearing about Star Trek and.
Speaker A:And all their memes and all the shit they post.
Speaker A:And it also just really reminds me of, like, the.
Speaker A:Really the most mediocre of them all, who I hate.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, you Star Trek.
Speaker A:And we're gonna get them later in this episode.
Speaker A:All right, so this was written by Sarah Gamble, and we love Sarah and fun thing about her.
Speaker A:So I was just kind of looking at three, you know, was.
Speaker A:What's.
Speaker A:What's going on in her, like, in her life.
Speaker A:And she has a TV series production script that's been made, and I don't know, it looks like it's in production, so or what?
Speaker A:But it's for the series called Weetsy Bat, and it's based on a novel by Francesca Laya Block.
Speaker A:And I was like, what.
Speaker A:What is this?
Speaker A:Listen to this book description.
Speaker A:The narrative follows the adventures of the eponymous character, Witzie, and her best friend Dirk, as well as their friends and relations.
Speaker A:After being granted three wishes by a genie, Witzie discovers that there are unexpected ramifications.
Speaker A:The story is set in an almost dreamlike, heightened version of Los Angeles, aptly referred to as Shangri La, in an indefinite time period.
Speaker A: Evoking both the: Speaker A:This TV show needs to happen now.
Speaker A:Like, I read that book.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a whole series of them.
Speaker A:It was a very popular book.
Speaker A:So I already.
Speaker A:I've already got the series.
Speaker A:I already started reading it.
Speaker A:So, like, Weedsy is like the main character and like her best friend is Dirk and he's like, gay and he has a mohawk and he drives like a 55, like, really cool car.
Speaker A:Like, I'm excited about this and I think I want to see that world.
Speaker A: S punk blended with: Speaker A:That would be.
Speaker A:Ooh, I want all those clothes.
Speaker A:All those clothes right now.
Speaker A:So it makes.
Speaker A:I guess I have to make them, but anyways.
Speaker A:Yeah, so that's just look.
Speaker A:Maybe look for that.
Speaker A:I don't know where it is, but hopefully that goes.
Speaker A:And keep an eye out for that.
Speaker A:All right, so this episode one, it's a meta episode and I love a meta episode.
Speaker A:So all like fourth wall shit, just being laughed at.
Speaker A:But as I was chatting with a friend, as I was doing notes for this and just screenshotting my notes, apparently I have to give a trigger warning for those of you who are working in big corporations and are going through some feelings right now.
Speaker A:Because I am not the only one.
Speaker A:There is a. I mean, I guess we have a great resignation as all the burnout and everything that's going on, but there's a lot of people that are really frustrated with working for the man.
Speaker A:And I work for a very large man.
Speaker A:Large man.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, by the end of this, I was just like, if you just take out this one word, that's me.
Speaker A:He's talking to me.
Speaker A:I'm crying and I like it.
Speaker A:When I quit cyber, they go fired.
Speaker A:So a punk rock band, even though I play no instruments or have any musical talent.
Speaker A:But anyways, okay, so just trigger warning for this episode.
Speaker A:This May cause you to quit your job and go sell coconut shells with googly eyes on the beach.
Speaker A:Which is my current side plan.
Speaker A:All right, so we are going to start off with an alarm going off.
Speaker B:6Am and then there's some fancy fucking coffee.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I want that coffee maker at my house.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Huh.
Speaker B:Who the fuck is this in a fancy striped, you know, dress shirt, but Dean.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And a well Respected man by the Kinks is playing in the background and it's giving kind of this narrative.
Speaker A:They're like, wait, what's going on?
Speaker A:Why is this.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, there's rice milk in a box.
Speaker A:And I'm like, thank God we've gotten it past rice milk.
Speaker B:Well, now we're.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So now oat milk is fucking delicious.
Speaker B:Like, it is wrong with it, but it's everywhere.
Speaker A:You know, it is way like cappuccinos made with oat milk are so much better than regular cappuccinos.
Speaker A:They taste, like, all nutty and like, it's so fucking delicious.
Speaker A:Highly recommend everyone go out and get one right now.
Speaker A:They're good.
Speaker A:I circled.
Speaker A:As long as your coffee is good and you have good oat milk is fucking great.
Speaker A:Diane was skeptical.
Speaker B:I drink my coffee black anyways, so still delicious drink we go.
Speaker B:So with a big.
Speaker B:The big giveaway that there is something wrong and this is not the Dean Winchester that we know and love is that he gets in the fucking Prius.
Speaker B:Gets the Prius that is like.
Speaker B:And then on top of that, just to really drive it home, the car turns on and it's blaring a metal song, which is just written by, like, it's Brian Tilly, who does a lot of the music for shows, and he changes the channel right away to npr.
Speaker B:And I'm like, this is not Dean Winchester.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But also, I have been into my car and heard the voice, you know, NPR boarding edition.
Speaker A:And it does put that smile on my face.
Speaker A:So I get you.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And then he drives off and, like, it just doesn't make a sound.
Speaker A:And I thought that was the best effect ever.
Speaker A:Like, just you could hear the silence, which is a weird thing.
Speaker A:But I hate that about Priuses.
Speaker A:I hate that about Teslas.
Speaker A:Like, we'll be, like, zooming off and, like, there's no room and I need it even.
Speaker B:Like, that's why, like, even the continuous transmissions freak me out where, like, they don't shift gears.
Speaker B:I'm like, shift even though they don't have to.
Speaker B:It's like, not a.
Speaker B:It's it just freaks me out.
Speaker B:Supposed to make it.
Speaker B:Supposed to make a sound, anyways of Duchess this morning.
Speaker B:So I've already gotten a cruise in today.
Speaker A:You're just living your best life anyways.
Speaker A:Terrible life.
Speaker A:All right, so we're going into an office building now.
Speaker A:And Dean's very comfortable.
Speaker A:He's just like, hey, people in the shoulders.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's Sandover Company.
Speaker B:It's a bridge and iron company, building company.
Speaker B:And we see Dean doing, like, regular old office.
Speaker B:Guy coming through the hallway, goes to his office, his pretty fancy office, and it says, dean Smith, director of Sales and Marketing.
Speaker B:Oh, oh.
Speaker B:And he's, like, typing, doing office shit, and has a fucking lame headset on.
Speaker B:And he eats a salad, and he's got a putting green in his office.
Speaker B:And he talking about doing a cleanse, like, with lemon and cayenne and maple syrup.
Speaker A:We're gonna get into that cleanse.
Speaker A:But so before the cleanse.
Speaker A:Yeah, because he's just like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:Somebody comes in.
Speaker A:Like, a guy just, like, walks in.
Speaker A:His name is Mr. Adler.
Speaker A:And he just, like, slaps Dean on the shoulder, which you can't hit people in offices anymore, guys, so you just can't do that.
Speaker A:And he was just like, good stuff, big things.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, yeah, it makes him happy.
Speaker A:All right, so he's on the phone, and he's talking about the Master Cleanse.
Speaker A:And I was like, wasn't that really bad for you?
Speaker A:And so this was the Lemonade Diet.
Speaker A: t was first introduced in the: Speaker A:And then it became a fad diet.
Speaker A: And then in: Speaker A:And it claimed that you could have fast, fast weight loss.
Speaker A:A clean cleansing of organs, including the liver, kidneys, and colon, cell and gland purification, and detoxifying and cleansing the body of toxins, which are.
Speaker A:That's redundant.
Speaker A:But cool that this could all do that.
Speaker A:You could still go to the Master Cleanse website and you can buy the kit for $90.
Speaker A:And then you can get some syrup and some cayenne, some.
Speaker A:The book salt anti, but you still have to buy your own lemons.
Speaker A:And then you have to do this for six times a day for 10 days.
Speaker A:And then that's how you get rid of all your toxins.
Speaker A:Beyonce even did this.
Speaker A:She said it worked.
Speaker A:And so then that made it, like, get really popular again because Queen Bee was like, do it.
Speaker A:And everyone's like, okay, one thing to know if.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'll Try it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I would say one thing to note before you tried it is the author of the book, the self described healer, Stanley Burroughs was convicted of the unlawful sale of cancer treatments, felony practicing medicine without a license, and second degree felony murder, which was later reversed because he was charged with that because one of his patients went on this master cleanse and fucking died.
Speaker B:Yeah, it seems questionable.
Speaker B:I mean, I stay.
Speaker B:I would try it.
Speaker B:I would make it like a day.
Speaker B:I can't not eat.
Speaker B:Fuck that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Basically you go through like it's the typical, like you.
Speaker A:You would have to do like the goop shit you were doing for like.
Speaker B:I do that for a week.
Speaker A:Yeah, you do that for like four or five days.
Speaker A:And then your body is ready.
Speaker A:And then you go into this.
Speaker A:And then like, there are people.
Speaker A:Yeah, I lost 30 pounds, but then, you know, I gained 20 pounds in the next month as I started eating regular food again.
Speaker B:Yes, that's how it works.
Speaker A:That's how your body works.
Speaker A:Anyways, all right, so he's gonna leave his office.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he gets on the elevator and who's on the elevator?
Speaker B:It's Sam in a yellow polo working for the same company.
Speaker B:And Sam looks and asks if he knows him.
Speaker B:You look familiar.
Speaker B:And he's like says, save it for.
Speaker A:The health club, pal.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Well, slightly homophobic comment coming out of Dean right there.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:Way to go.
Speaker A:At least.
Speaker A:Like, you're still a douche.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:All right, so we cut to the Kaido card there.
Speaker A:And we just cut to Liz's nightmare.
Speaker A:This corporate sounds and cubicles upon cubicles and the phones are ringing and everyone's wearing the same goddamn ugly polo sh shirt, you know, for next week.
Speaker A:They're like, okay, yeah, there's two shirts there.
Speaker A:There's one that's going to be a button up and the other one that I have a pole in our logo.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:And they're like.
Speaker A:And so, you know, you might want to bring extra T shirts just in case.
Speaker A:Like, you know, because you're going to be there for many days.
Speaker A:I'm like, you know, in case you need more.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:Or in case those go in the trash or get set on fire.
Speaker B:You fully expect them to fit and be your style.
Speaker B:Got it?
Speaker A:Yeah, I fully expect them to be made for men and because that's how corporations work.
Speaker A:So fuck this office.
Speaker A:And he is in tech support.
Speaker A:And I see you.
Speaker A:I am you.
Speaker A:I have been you.
Speaker A:This is like such a flashback.
Speaker A:Did you ever do this?
Speaker A:Were you ever tech support or Work in a cubicle office world.
Speaker B:I worked.
Speaker B:I worked in cubicles and I worked in a call center.
Speaker B:I was not tech support, though.
Speaker B:Mine was.
Speaker B:Mine was like taking orders for things for.
Speaker B:In a multi level marketing company.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think Sarah, I think she did work because this is somebody.
Speaker A:Somebody gave them the low down.
Speaker A:This is all very, very accurate down to like, I'm playing with my bobblehead.
Speaker B:Vampire bobblehead.
Speaker B:And this is Sam Wesson we figured out.
Speaker B:And I do love him explaining to somebody that he needs to.
Speaker B:They need to turn it off and turn it back on again.
Speaker A:Which is tech support.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And it was a printer too.
Speaker A:And I'm just like, oh, you stupid asshole.
Speaker A:But people are so fucking stupid.
Speaker A:They're like, I know how many times, like, we got calls where, like, people.
Speaker A:I didn't have the printer, like, plugged in.
Speaker B:That's painful.
Speaker A:People are stupid.
Speaker B:I just have one at work that has to like.
Speaker B:You have to like, reconnect on the network.
Speaker B:Like once every once in a while you'll print something and it's fine.
Speaker B:Then you go to print the next document and all of a sudden it's just.
Speaker B:It's not on the network anymore.
Speaker B:You got to start over.
Speaker A:That's probably because it's hacked because they have terrible security and nobody changes the password.
Speaker B:That's not true.
Speaker B:And that's not true.
Speaker B:Anyways, so we're gonna go on to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's one guy that's not wearing the yellow polo, though.
Speaker B:One guy that's not.
Speaker B:Ian is the rebel and he is talking to Sam about banging some older chick that works there so that she could be a MILF or a G milf, which I assume it's a Guelph.
Speaker B:He says G MILF for thought.
Speaker B:But that's.
Speaker A:Oh, he may say G milf, but yeah, okay.
Speaker A:I was like, but it is a gulf.
Speaker A:But anyways, gross.
Speaker A:Also lucky brand.
Speaker A:So alternative and.
Speaker A:But then they do what everybody who.
Speaker A:And I feel like a bunch of like, kids today aren't even going to, like, know, like, everyone who works from home won't have this.
Speaker A:How the hell can I get away from my desk and, like, make it look like room?
Speaker A:You go to the break room, you get some coffee or you smoke a cigarette.
Speaker A:And that's why I used to be a smoker.
Speaker A:Because you got to leave your desk and go outside.
Speaker B:I need a smoke break.
Speaker B:Yep, yep.
Speaker A:And then you had.
Speaker A:And you had your group of friends that went with you and you would do that round and you will go around Just like they're about to do.
Speaker A:And you go pick up your group and we're like, hey, going.
Speaker A:We're going to go talk shit about something not to do with this job.
Speaker A:Or talk shit about this job.
Speaker B:One of the two.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And apparently try to get their buddy Paul to go with them.
Speaker B:And he's like, won't even answer them.
Speaker B:It's just like super intent on his work and being kind of weird.
Speaker B:And Ian saying that he.
Speaker B:I got busted for looking at porn at work.
Speaker B:I don't know so well.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker A:And he was sent to HR for.
Speaker A:For looking at porn.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, it was porn.
Speaker A:And I'm like, you're still working here?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's kind of a weird one.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's a fireball offense.
Speaker A:And although I would say you being, you know, someone who has work, you know, we see all.
Speaker A:We know what everybody does in their systems.
Speaker A:There have been, I know, so many stories of support, people being in someone RDP or remoting somebody's system and being like, dude, we can see the porn.
Speaker A:And then like.
Speaker A:Like they shut it down.
Speaker A:And like before, like they're even gone, like, it's just back up.
Speaker A:And I'm like, put your away for like 30 minutes.
Speaker A:Like, can you not.
Speaker B:Weird.
Speaker B:So weird.
Speaker B:I don't understand that at all.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker B:Cannot process it.
Speaker A:Can't cat processing.
Speaker A:But I can process Ian stealing pencils.
Speaker B:Office supplies.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Office supplies are free for the taking.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:And so, but Ian's asking Sam about his dreams and saying that he like, for this.
Speaker B:It's the highlight of my day.
Speaker B:And so Sam's a little hesitant.
Speaker B:He's like, you're gonna laugh at me.
Speaker B:But he tells that he had a dream that he saved a grim reaper named Tessa from demons.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:And Ian thinks this is hilarious and that he's Harry Potter there to save him for the apocalypse.
Speaker A:And then they have that great exchange, like he would between co workers where Sam calls him a dick and Ian calls him a wizard.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:So at.
Speaker B:Back at his desk, Sam kind of dozes off for a second and has another, like a really offset to him.
Speaker B:He has like this huge like montage, like of a bunch of scenes of him and Dean fighting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just like his real life.
Speaker A:And it freaks him out.
Speaker A:And it probably would freak me out too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So later in the day, he ends up on the elevator with Dean again.
Speaker B:And Sam asks Dean what he thinks about ghosts.
Speaker B:It's a really random thing to ask somebody.
Speaker B:And Then ask if they believe in ghosts.
Speaker A:Oh, I was just like, this is where the robocalls are coming from.
Speaker A:So Diana keeps getting robocalls, asking if she believes in ghosts.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:This is where they came from.
Speaker A:They got it from the elevator.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:They're all in a haunted building.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So, yeah, makes sense.
Speaker B:It all makes sense.
Speaker B:So Dean's like, never much thought.
Speaker B:Sam follows up vampires.
Speaker B:He's like, what?
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:And Sam kind of, like, alludes to the fact that he's had some weird dreams.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, you overshare.
Speaker A:Dean's like, well, Dean's like, you overshare, dude.
Speaker A:And so that he.
Speaker A:And then he leaves.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we see Sam back at his desk, and he is working, but also Googling vampires.
Speaker A:And I was like, that's a bad use.
Speaker A:Like, just as bad as surfing porn.
Speaker A:You're not supposed to do that on your work system.
Speaker B:And so Ian gets called to HR now, though.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:And the buddy that got called to HR yesterday, Paul, for porn, is very upset.
Speaker B:And I think that's weird.
Speaker B:I think that that might have just been an Ian making something up.
Speaker B:It just doesn't make sense, the porn thing on this.
Speaker B:This character to me.
Speaker B:But maybe it is.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Well, we don't know what he was like before because look at Ian.
Speaker A:Like, as we see.
Speaker A:Carl could have been a fucking slacker.
Speaker A:He's been just trying to get through this since then.
Speaker B:And Computer froze.
Speaker B:And he's freaking out because it's.
Speaker B:His whole day of work is gone.
Speaker B:And, you know, so he stays late at night.
Speaker A:Yeah, and you're missing some sugaring things for me in here, too.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Okay, so the system froze.
Speaker A:He crashes.
Speaker A:It deleted.
Speaker A:And he didn't back it up.
Speaker A:And then I'm like, why didn't you back it up?
Speaker A:That's the first question I always ask you.
Speaker A:Like, why didn't you back up your system?
Speaker A:Why was it.
Speaker A:But not backed up offline?
Speaker A:And then I started spiraling into work shit.
Speaker A:And that's always like, please make this soft, Please.
Speaker A:Like, the.
Speaker A:Stop.
Speaker A:And then he started trying to boot a system, and there was nothing in the system and all the files were gone.
Speaker A:And then I spiraled further and further.
Speaker A:And then now we're in this office and he's failing.
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh.
Speaker A:Oh, shit.
Speaker A:I'm with you, dude.
Speaker A:I was like, riding.
Speaker A:I was riding this wave.
Speaker B:Paul, man.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:I learned something.
Speaker B:I don't think it's accurate or it would work.
Speaker B:But it was pretty fascinating.
Speaker B:As we get into the scene, he finally accepts defeat and says, all that work gone failed.
Speaker B:You see his breath fog.
Speaker B:He gets up and he walks to the break room and has a plastic fork and another utensil in his hand.
Speaker B:And it breaks all the tines off of the plastic fork and opens the microwave and shoves it in the little clicker thingy for the microwave door, like, where it latches.
Speaker B:That's, like, the safety thing so the microwave won't start when it's doors open.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Still is distressing.
Speaker B:He microwaves his fucking head.
Speaker B:He microwaves his own fucking head.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so Sarah said that the head in the microwave stretches the bounds of what could realistically happen.
Speaker A:But we forgave ourselves a physical impossibility because it was just really cool.
Speaker A:We needed some gory moments because this workplace was so bland.
Speaker A:And so the visual effects supervisor, Ian, said all we were supposed to do was some black smoke.
Speaker A:They done some practical smoke, but they didn't think it was dark enough.
Speaker A:So what we did was take some elements of melting cheese and track those into the character faces to have him burn.
Speaker A:And then we did sparks and pops, like when you crumple up tinfoil and throw it into your microwave.
Speaker A:And he said.
Speaker A:He pitched it and he was like.
Speaker A:He knew it was good when Eric Kripke giggled.
Speaker B:That's amazing.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so he microwaves his head for 10 minutes.
Speaker B:So he did.
Speaker A:He did.
Speaker A:And yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I will say what really set it off for me was the sign above.
Speaker B:Two things they really did.
Speaker B:They had the sign right above that, like, the camera pans and the sign that.
Speaker B:The break room sign that everybody should have if they don't, because everybody knows this says, don't heat up your fish in here.
Speaker B:It stinks.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Because you don't make fish.
Speaker B:It works.
Speaker A:You don't, but people do.
Speaker A:People do.
Speaker A:And also, this is not meant to say this is not a culture, but working in tech, I work with a lot of people who have immigrated or have very close ties to India.
Speaker A:Indian food.
Speaker A:Holy shit.
Speaker B:It's a very aromatic cuisine.
Speaker A:It's just aromatic.
Speaker A:And, like, so the entire just, like, floor is like fucking curry.
Speaker A:And sometimes it's like, actually it's a pleasant smell, but other times you're like, I don't want smoke curry right now, like, I'm really hungover.
Speaker A:I'm going to puke like that.
Speaker A:Saying that I was always hungover at those jobs, but probably because those jobs make you Drink a lot.
Speaker A:But anyways, yeah, so that was a good one.
Speaker B:And then the icing on the cake though is as we're about to cut and go to commercial, or what you would be.
Speaker B:Commercial break, obviously, if you were watching on television is the screens to black and you hear the ding, ding, the microwave.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, that was.
Speaker B:That was just like.
Speaker B:It was just like little cherry on top.
Speaker B:Just put it right on there.
Speaker B:It was epic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This episode has so much in it.
Speaker A:I was just like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:How are we gonna pack it all?
Speaker A:So we're gonna cut into the bodies being wheeled out.
Speaker A:And Sam is watching, so.
Speaker B:And him and him and Dean make eye contact.
Speaker A:Some weird eye contact happens, but Dean's.
Speaker B:At this point starting to get like.
Speaker B:You can tell something's going on because he leans over the guy next to him and he's like, hey, something doesn't seem right here.
Speaker B:But then he goes back to his room, basically.
Speaker B:But he pulls up Paul's personnel file and figures out that this guy was two weeks from retirement, which I don't think.
Speaker A:Can a guy in marketing access somebody's HR personnel file?
Speaker A:What the fuck?
Speaker A:What is going on in this office?
Speaker A:This office is terrible.
Speaker A:It's terrible.
Speaker A:All those ACLs are just being violated.
Speaker A:It's making mad.
Speaker A:Anyway, so.
Speaker A:But yes.
Speaker A:So there's a note on there.
Speaker A:And so we're like, okay.
Speaker B:Like, doesn't really make sense.
Speaker B:Like a meltdown at work and kill yourself.
Speaker B:Two weeks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But then you're also like, this is another spice.
Speaker A:Like, oh, my God, he died while working in a cubicle.
Speaker A:But that was his career, his retirement.
Speaker A:And then he died in a fucking yellow polo shirt.
Speaker A:That is like my worst nightmare.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Please die in a company branded polo shirt.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker A:I'm like, started.
Speaker A:Like, at least she's losing.
Speaker A:So I'm starting to rock back and forth.
Speaker B:It's going to be okay.
Speaker B:It's going to be okay.
Speaker B:If you can be.
Speaker B:If you are on the verge of death, I will cut that polo shirt off of you.
Speaker B:As your friend.
Speaker B:I don't know what we'll do.
Speaker B:We'll figure it out.
Speaker B:But you're not dying.
Speaker B:The polo shirt.
Speaker B:A company branded polo shirt.
Speaker B:All right, so Sam's trying to talk to his buddy Ian, but Ian is now in a yellow shirt.
Speaker B:That's odd.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And he shaved and he's just like.
Speaker B:And Sam's trying to talk to him, but Ian's just not very chatty today.
Speaker B:I don't have time for this.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, oh, you're fucking kidding me, right?
Speaker B:And Anne's like, no, I'm answering this call.
Speaker B:Fuck you.
Speaker B:But he's super intense, like Paul was before.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Dean gets.
Speaker B:Dean calls Dean calls Ian up to his office.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, hey, there's this error on this form that you submitted.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You filled out a 445T and no problem, just a few errors.
Speaker A:When did you switch over?
Speaker A:We did just switch over to Vista.
Speaker A:And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's a.
Speaker A:That's a problem.
Speaker A: And a knock at a: Speaker A: There's some good: Speaker A:Yeah, that was.
Speaker A:I'm so pissed at Microsoft or what happened this week.
Speaker A:So I can't.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:I haven't gotten over Vista either.
Speaker A:Like, Vista will always traumatize me.
Speaker A:Still traumatized.
Speaker A:But anyway, so Ian's freaking out and Dean's like, yo, he's way overreacting.
Speaker B:Like, hey, totally cool.
Speaker B:Just read you the form.
Speaker B:No big deal, bruh.
Speaker B:And Ian's, like, shaking that he did something wrong to the company.
Speaker B:It's very.
Speaker A:I affected profits.
Speaker A:I failed the company.
Speaker A:And he just runs out to the bathroom.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so Dean's like, I gotta go check on this motherfucker.
Speaker B:Cause this ain't right.
Speaker B:So he goes and check, finds him in the bathroom.
Speaker B:But as they're in the bathroom, all the sinks and soaps turn on and you can see their breath again.
Speaker B:We get breath fog.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:You know, something is really spooky is going on because.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker A:Yeah, it takes fucking, like, ghosts to turn on that shit.
Speaker A:I have an existential crisis to try.
Speaker B:To turn the water on.
Speaker A:And tomorrow I'm going to the airport, which is like, the worst place for it because you come out of everything and you're like, is this out of soap or is this me?
Speaker A:Like, am.
Speaker A:Am I here?
Speaker A:Did I exist?
Speaker A:And then you just sit there and you'd, like, swat at the soap for.
Speaker A:And then, like, everyone's looking at you and they're, like, kind of sympathizing, but also, like.
Speaker A:And they're wondering, is it her?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's like, do I exist?
Speaker A:Am I a person?
Speaker A:And it's all because of this fucking thing.
Speaker B:So anyways, this episode did a number on you.
Speaker A:I told you.
Speaker A:It was a very triggering episode.
Speaker B:So Dean's like, hey, Ian, like, we need to get out of here.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:This is fucking weird.
Speaker B:You just need to look at me, but you need to calm down, basically.
Speaker B:And Ian turns to look at Dean, pulls a pencil out of his pocket and stabs himself in the fucking neck.
Speaker A:Like, just like.
Speaker A:Is that possible?
Speaker B:I mean, it is, but, like, it's hard to do.
Speaker A:I mean, how.
Speaker A:I mean, like, you have.
Speaker A:I guess you just have to be, like, adrenaline pumping, going for.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, because would it even, like.
Speaker A:Like, would it just, like, break off?
Speaker A:And then, I mean, also, like, if I tried to do this, I would just, like.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I mean, I think.
Speaker B:I think if you had, like a.
Speaker B:Some power behind it, it would just go in.
Speaker B:And it was a sharpened pencil.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Anyways, all right, so Dean's talking.
Speaker B:Dean's talking to the police and Parame saying, like, okay, he just stabbed himself.
Speaker B:And him.
Speaker B:And him and Sam make eye contact again.
Speaker A:Oh, but also.
Speaker A:But while he.
Speaker A:Dean also sees a ghost.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:In the bathroom, as they were.
Speaker B:I was jumping ahead.
Speaker B:We're so busy stabbing himself in the neck.
Speaker B:And Dean looks up and does see a reflection of, like, an old man.
Speaker B:And then it disappears.
Speaker A:Old man ghost.
Speaker B:An old man ghost.
Speaker A:All right, so, yeah, we get back to Sam and Dean giving each other eyes.
Speaker A:And then we get the office.
Speaker A:Like, we just, like, now have a set of fun little montage of the corporate world.
Speaker A:And it's like, printer goes, and then, like, the phones, and then, like, little.
Speaker A:And the pencil goes.
Speaker A:They kind of like it, but that's cute.
Speaker B:It really sets the tone.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:It feels like a little office spacey to me every time you do it.
Speaker B:I won't lie.
Speaker B:That's which I like.
Speaker B:So anyways, Dean calls Sam up to his office.
Speaker B:And weirdly, though, when Sam walks in, Dean's buttoning his shirt like he just got dressed.
Speaker B:I don't know what that was about.
Speaker B:It was weird.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Well, I think because he got blood spatter on from the guy stabbing himself in the neck with the pencil.
Speaker B:I thought this was, like, the next day.
Speaker A:No, this is like.
Speaker A:I think this just happened.
Speaker A:I think this has just happened.
Speaker A:And that's why he's changing the shirt.
Speaker B:So he's asking.
Speaker B:He asks Sam who he is, and Sam says he's not sure, which is a weird answer, except he's like, look, my Sam name.
Speaker B:Here's my name.
Speaker B:I started here three weeks ago.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, you corner me in the elevator about ghosts and whatnot, but.
Speaker B:But he's like, wait, I started here three weeks ago, too.
Speaker B:So it's kind of A weird thing that we've learned now as an audience, that both of them just started at this place three weeks ago.
Speaker B:And Sam asking what he saw in the bathroom and if it was a ghost.
Speaker B:And that because he's guessing that these suicides aren't natural.
Speaker A:I also really like the way, like, Sam asks him about the ghost because he's very excited.
Speaker A:He's just like, wait, like, you saw something?
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Like, and it's not like he's.
Speaker A:Yeah, his friend just stabbed himself in the neck with a.
Speaker A:With a pencil.
Speaker A:And he's like, whoa.
Speaker A:I mean, I guess, like, they've only been friends for three weeks.
Speaker B:They were only friends for three weeks, so.
Speaker B:Terrible.
Speaker B:Terrible.
Speaker B:And his, you know, Dean's like, are ghosts real?
Speaker B:What do you think goes real based on what?
Speaker B:And Sam says, instinct.
Speaker B:And Dean kind of pauses and he's basically says, same.
Speaker B:So now we know, like, that they're both, like, thinking that this could be something supernatural.
Speaker B:And yeah, Sam says that he's been having dreams about ghosts, but he's like.
Speaker B:He's like, oh, you're like some special visions and psychic.
Speaker A:No, that would be nuts.
Speaker A:And this is why I love meta.
Speaker A:I love the straps at themselves.
Speaker A:Like, that's so stupid.
Speaker A:But nobody would believe that.
Speaker A:He's like, but no, I've been digging around because I hacked them.
Speaker A:I hacked their email accounts.
Speaker B:That's basically.
Speaker B:Yeah, I hacked their emails.
Speaker A:But also, he works in tech support, so all he did probably was anyways.
Speaker B:Walk over to their computer.
Speaker A:You didn't need to walk over to the computer.
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker A:But anyways, they both got called to.
Speaker B: HR in room in: Speaker A:And also, if you don't know, Diana is HR like, it's one of her many worlds.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So Diana's like, I don't know.
Speaker A:I figured this episode to get to you too.
Speaker A:Like, oh, my God, no.
Speaker A:They're going to hr.
Speaker B:Like, ah, shit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so they figured out hr.
Speaker B:Luckily, my HR world is very different because I don't work for a big corporation.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, so HR is on 7.
Speaker A: This room is in: Speaker A:And they have this very adorable exchange.
Speaker B:Exchange about, like, a little late today.
Speaker A:And then Sam's like, I'm dying to check this out, right?
Speaker A:He's like, right.
Speaker A:And so they.
Speaker A:They have this very cute, like, fun moment.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker A:And we cut to another guy who's.
Speaker B:In a polo shirt, another yellow polo shirt, wandering the halls as empty halls.
Speaker B: And he finds a door marked: Speaker B:It's a really weird old door that doesn't match anything else.
Speaker B:So he goes in.
Speaker B:It's a room of old, like, monitors, phones, and computers.
Speaker B:And the lights are off.
Speaker B:And the door closes and locks behind him, of course.
Speaker B:Which is never a good sign, by the way.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker B:All these monitors pop up with, like, TV static, which is weird.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:They're not plugged in, so it's very weird.
Speaker B:And they wouldn't.
Speaker B:And monitors don't usually have, like, TV type static.
Speaker A:No, no, they don't.
Speaker A:That's also a good point.
Speaker A: Well, this is: Speaker B:Yeah, I guess.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So weird.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker A:Good point.
Speaker A:And then Sam and team are in.
Speaker B:The hallway and the shelves are shaking and there's fog.
Speaker B:And then Sam and Dean break in, and they see that there's, you know, a person under a shelf that fell over.
Speaker B:They go to lift it up, but the old man ghost is there.
Speaker B:And he throws Dean and pushes Sam.
Speaker B:And he's got electric fingers.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think my way, that I wrote the note for this is better.
Speaker A:So the ghost flings Dean, then pushes Sam.
Speaker A:He looks at his fingers, and they are sparking.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:When he's about to finger the guy on the floor, Dean hits him with the pipe.
Speaker A:This is what I was like.
Speaker A:I'd never be able to say that.
Speaker A:I don't know if I'm able to get through this.
Speaker B:So Dean randomly grabbed a wrench, a pipe wrench, and swung it through the old man.
Speaker B:And the old man disappears.
Speaker A:So he gives him a man, the pipe after he's about to figure the guy.
Speaker B:So they lift the shelf off of this guy.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, how did you know how to do that?
Speaker B:He's like, I have no idea.
Speaker A:All right, so we're here.
Speaker A:We have those ghosts, right?
Speaker A:So now we.
Speaker A:We know for sure.
Speaker B:We see it again for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We have a haunted building.
Speaker A:So I think we should talk about another haunted building.
Speaker A:Uh, oh, and I was also.
Speaker A:When I first started the research for this, I was like, please tell me, like, a ghost, like, blew up an office building or, you know, without hurting people.
Speaker A:I don't want people to be hurt.
Speaker A:Just, you know, I just wanted, like, a ghostly, like, go after the man.
Speaker B:So we're doing lore.
Speaker A:We're doing lore.
Speaker A:And so when I started looking for buildings that were haunted, one kept popping up kind of where I was looking.
Speaker A:And so you're gonna Hate me.
Speaker A:And you're gonna love me because we're going to talk about the haunted capital of Texas in Austin, One of Diana's favorite buildings.
Speaker A:That's fucking full of ghosts.
Speaker A:You can never go back.
Speaker B:So, all right, so underground parts newish, right?
Speaker B:So something haunted, sure.
Speaker A:So according to Fiona Broome, a psychic ghost hunter, an author who wrote the Ghost of Austin, Texas, the Capitol is haunted day and night.
Speaker A:If you've got a nice misty day, there's people see ghosts walking up to the path to the Capitol building all the time.
Speaker A:So people just see people walking up like in the day, if it's like foggy, like you just see like people to the Capitol building that aren't there.
Speaker A:Isn't that awesome?
Speaker A:They also our Capitol buildings and I say our.
Speaker A:I live 20 minutes outside of Austin.
Speaker A:Our Capitol buildings have a habit of catching on fire.
Speaker A: and the one we see finish in: Speaker A:And we're going to come back to the construction of the building at the end because I think that's the most interesting part about this.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A: lso had an electrical fire in: Speaker A:That prompted an elaborate 10 year restoration and renovation project that cost 75 million dollars and replaced the 3,000 pound statue on the top of the dome by helicopter to look that up.
Speaker A:I bet that looks pretty cool.
Speaker A:All right, so let's get right to some of the more well known ghosts.
Speaker A:The most well known ghost is that of Comptroller Robert Love.
Speaker A: illed by a former employee in: Speaker A:And it's a really kind of sad, interesting story if you want to look it up.
Speaker A:But the bottom line is he was shot by this former employee and as he was there die and the employee tried to flee.
Speaker A:Somebody else in the building tackled him like he was trying to shoot the other people in the office.
Speaker A: was just missing because it's: Speaker A:Kind of.
Speaker A:I don't want to talk about it because right now where we're at.
Speaker A: of this is still happening in: Speaker A:But so the employee was shot when he was trying to get away.
Speaker A:He shot himself basically in the fight.
Speaker A:So he died.
Speaker A:But he didn't die at the Capitol, but Robert Love did.
Speaker A:And people like see him all the time.
Speaker A:He has allegedly startled like tourists and state troopers.
Speaker A:He's usually seen in an outdated business suit or a jaunty top hat.
Speaker A:So not for seeing somebody in jaunty top hat.
Speaker B:For your Texas government notes.
Speaker B:For those that don't know, your comptroller is basically kind of like a treasurer for the state.
Speaker B:It is a statewide elected position.
Speaker B:It is a partisan election.
Speaker A:I think you'd like this floor.
Speaker A:And you have.
Speaker A:You have been to the Capitol, right?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So you know the rotunda.
Speaker A:So that's a big circular room and it's got a spiral staircase that provides access to all the building.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's got a bunch of.
Speaker B:It's got portraits of past governors.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:It's very fancy and is also called a whispering gallery.
Speaker A:So because you're underneath this dome, when you say things to people, they echo.
Speaker A:So they always say, be careful what you say under the rotunda because anybody can hear you.
Speaker A:So if you're talking shit about somebody or doing something illegal like, don't do that there, because everybody can hear you idiots.
Speaker A:So there is a. I don't know if you have noticed this, but in the rotunda floor there crack.
Speaker A:And there is a legend that that crack was caused by somebody falling to their death there.
Speaker A:And that's not true, but somebody did fall to their death there.
Speaker A:And that was Ed Wheeler.
Speaker A: And he died there in: Speaker A: t the floor didn't come until: Speaker A:And so that's just because the building settled because it's Texas and all are built on shit and everything cracks here.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But I just.
Speaker A:But yeah, someone did fall from there and die.
Speaker B:So they believe could be haunting.
Speaker A:He's haunting, but didn't crack the floor.
Speaker A:I love this one.
Speaker A:On the third floor, there is a lady in red and they say that she hasn't been able to leave the office that was occupied by her lover.
Speaker A:And they have a secret stairwell and it was located in office suite that was felt held by former office House speaker Pete Lake Cheney.
Speaker A:I don't know who he was, but do you.
Speaker A:No, I don't think he was important in Texas history.
Speaker A:If he was, who gives a.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:But his.
Speaker A:His girlfriend's still there, and that's awesome.
Speaker A:I think this one's really cool and I'm sure there's a scientific explanation for it.
Speaker A:So in the east wing, when there's like a fog and there's a bunch of condensation on the Senate reception windows, handprints show up.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Is that right?
Speaker A:That's upsetting.
Speaker A: s staying before he died in a: Speaker A:So during that fire he died and now there's handprints on the window that he couldn't get out.
Speaker A:Isn't that cool?
Speaker A:You're like, that's terrible.
Speaker A:I'm like, that's awesome.
Speaker A:And just outside that reception room is where Senate cook and waiter Tim Mattier said he saw a lady turn a corner late one night behind the Senate chamber.
Speaker A:When he thought he was alone, he looked around but it was empty.
Speaker A:And he said not too long after that he saw a portrait and it was a woman that he'd seen.
Speaker A: venson, who died of cancer in: Speaker A:He said she is a friendly ghost.
Speaker A:And he is happy to share his space with Stevenson, who once placed hostess for Senate functions when her husband, Coke Stevenson was Lieutenant Governor.
Speaker A:My brother went to Coke Stevenson Junior High.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:Some even claim to witness the spirit of government.
Speaker A:And Governor Edmund Jackson Davis paralyzed by his piercing stares.
Speaker A:Those unfortunate enough to find this phantom never forget the encounter.
Speaker A:They say he causes sudden temperature shift shifts and mysterious sounds.
Speaker A:So the final coup d'.
Speaker A:Etat.
Speaker A:This really is, and this is, I just think, interesting.
Speaker A:And it's not necessarily a ghost story.
Speaker A:It's more about politics and just how our things were built.
Speaker A:And I would not have looked into this aspect about the construction of the Capitol if I hadn't looked.
Speaker A:Read Haunted History, History and Hauntings of the Capitol City by Janine Plumer, who does a lot of the ghost tours in Austin.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And shout out to the friends who hooked me up with that one because I was like, I know there's more shit about this, what books I need to look for.
Speaker A:And that was the one.
Speaker A:So through that and then through other things, found out that our Capitol was mainly constructed with convict labor.
Speaker A:And a whole bunch of, there's a whole bunch of things that kind of go into that.
Speaker A: Southwestern histor early in: Speaker A:So remember, like, we've already had these buildings that are burnt down, okay, we're going to burn.
Speaker A:We're going to make this new capital.
Speaker A:And to do that we need granite.
Speaker A:And so Texas has a lot of quarries.
Speaker A:I'm sure, you know, those of you who've lived here see them as you're driving around now they're generally taken out with you know, big old machines.
Speaker A:But before the machines they were taken out by people.
Speaker A:And in the granite quarries at Marble falls which is 15 miles south of they started constructing a railway to join the Austin and Northwest railroad at Burnett.
Speaker A:So the quarries could all just go there and the rocks could ship faster.
Speaker A:And the quarry owners were going to supply the quarry free of charge.
Speaker A:But not necessarily how you get out.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So you can get the rock, you can have the rock.
Speaker B:Rock, rocks but, but you got to get the rocks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And so the construction of the building went to a German born guy named Gus Wilkie.
Speaker A:It's W I L K E. I'm assuming that's Wilkey.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:He was kind of a dick and he lived in Chicago.
Speaker A:So because of his thing, you know they are.
Speaker A:There was a lot of protests about the use of convict labor.
Speaker A: nd one thing to Note, this is: Speaker A: So the emancipation was in: Speaker A:And that did leave a lot of labor gaps.
Speaker A:Well you cheap free and slave labor.
Speaker A:And so as the prison populations are filling up post post Civil War during the Reconstruction, shockingly enough they're filling up with a lot of black men.
Speaker A:Huh.
Speaker A:Go figure that.
Speaker A:The penitentiaries were filled with an overwhelming number of black individuals and they were 50% of the prison population even though there are 25% of the actual population.
Speaker A:Funny how that was in is so.
Speaker A:But really nobody gave a shit about how the convicts are treated.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:That's why I said that they're like they're you're in jail, we don't give a fuck.
Speaker A:Like you do whatever we want.
Speaker A:What they're really pissed off was about those unskilled workers taking work from.
Speaker A:For, for cheap from people who were in unions.
Speaker A:Because people are.
Speaker A:That's what made people mad.
Speaker B:They wanted to, they wanted to do the work and they wanted, they wanted.
Speaker B:They want to get paid by the government to build this instead of the government do.
Speaker B:Doing.
Speaker B:Finding some free labor.
Speaker A:Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker A:So the American granite cutter union was pissed and they were just arguing that.
Speaker A:Yeah, they were arguing that any use of convict labor is going to reduce the wages of skilled workers and also hurt their chances of making conditions better for the workers.
Speaker A:Because this is a shitty dangerous job.
Speaker A:You are carving rocks, rock out of rock.
Speaker A:Like people just die doing that.
Speaker A:This is not a good thing.
Speaker A:And so they're like working to make this a better thing.
Speaker A:And they're just like well if you just bring in people that you don't care about.
Speaker A:You're certainly not going to make this safer for them.
Speaker A:No one.
Speaker A:1881, No one gives a shit about this guy in prison.
Speaker A: So in December: Speaker A:And Wilkie said, you know what?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:We'll.
Speaker A:We'll pay you between $2 and 75, $2.75 and $3, and we'll stop using convicts if you lower your rates down that way.
Speaker A:The union was like, fuck you.
Speaker A:Like, you're such a dick.
Speaker A:How dare you say that?
Speaker A:And they're like, you know what?
Speaker A:We are going to boycott.
Speaker A:And Wilkie was just like, I will hire any good mechanic, whether he be a scab, as you call it or not.
Speaker A:I will not permit you nor any society to dictate whom I shall employ convicts or free labor.
Speaker A: al interesting word to use in: Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But also, he's from Germany, so, I mean, he wasn't even really part of it.
Speaker A:But still, it's an interesting labor issue to be, I think, coming up, right?
Speaker A:So basically the.
Speaker A:The Granite workers start boycotting, and there were people who were scabbing, and they were basically working inside, like, a protective barbed wire fence.
Speaker A:And like, they wouldn't.
Speaker A:The other.
Speaker A:Other union people know who they were, and they're working for less money and doing this, but they just was like, we just need jobs, right?
Speaker A:The economy isn't shit.
Speaker A:Like, it's post civil war.
Speaker A:Like, nobody knows what the fuck is going on.
Speaker A:Like, it's not a good time for the economy in Texas, although we still had enough money.
Speaker B:A lot of the country was rough time.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:No, the entire.
Speaker A:It was just.
Speaker A:It was just a bad time.
Speaker A:We're still in a bad time.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But anyway, so the boycott starts working and.
Speaker A:And he's like, I'm going to look for.
Speaker A:Basically like, I'm looking for skilled workers outside of America.
Speaker A:So he starts looking for the Scots, which is why I'm also excited because I'm Scottish, I'm Texas, and this is all like, ah, so much.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So they put an advertisement in the paper in Aberdeen and they arranged a meeting.
Speaker A:And 300 men attend this meeting, and 120 of them had already agreed to go.
Speaker A:And this is pretty much just like, you come here and they're going to tell you what's going to happen, right?
Speaker A:And they're like, come to come to Texas.
Speaker A:It's going to be great.
Speaker A:You'll get paid four to six dollars a day.
Speaker A:Your board's going to be cheap.
Speaker A:We're even going to give you some advance.
Speaker A:Single men, you've got to pay this back in a month.
Speaker A:But if you got a wife and kids, like two or three months to pay that back, it'll be fine.
Speaker A:Come to America.
Speaker A:And so originally they're supposed to come to Austin via Galveston, but Wilkie found out that it was cheaper to come in from basically taking a steamer from Virginia to Texas, a steamer to Virginia from New York and then taking a train Texas.
Speaker A:And he also said this was safer, but really it was just cheaper.
Speaker A:So they also, during all of this stuff, they neglected to tell the Scots why they were.
Speaker A:They didn't tell them there was a union boycott and like, nobody wanted to work for this guy.
Speaker A:That they just kind of left that out.
Speaker B:Like info you'd like to know.
Speaker B:Know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you know, they're like, to do, we're coming to America.
Speaker A:Yeah, all the horse.
Speaker A:American horse.
Speaker A:That's the only word I can say with a Scottish accent.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:So they come and the union had heard about this and so they're like, we are going to get their agent arrested.
Speaker A:So they send officials to New York and they go to the U.S. district Attorney and he's like, I don't have enough evidence to convict them.
Speaker A:But they did like convince like 24 of the Scottish people to go home.
Speaker A:But some of the other ones were convinced to stay.
Speaker A:And they were convinced to stay by the agent Barry and the assistance of two, what this author called ruffians, who are basically dragging men onto the steamer and doing this with such force that there was a US Deputy marshal there.
Speaker A:And he was like, if you lay a finger in any of these guys, I'm going to arrest you for assault.
Speaker A:Because apparently they were being shitty, but they still let them take them and like put them on the, on the charter.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:So they, they take off.
Speaker A:But while they're gone, some of those who decided to defunct had like their, their working papers with them, right?
Speaker A:So they have tracked.
Speaker A:So now the USDA is like, I have, you know, enough proof to charge.
Speaker A:Charge you for violating the labor act.
Speaker A:Because basically, according to the alien, if it was alien, Abra, there's an alien in there in a labor.
Speaker A:And his Alien Labor Act.
Speaker A:So basically it says like, you can't fight higher.
Speaker A:Foreign people do do jobs in America, right?
Speaker A:So it's a labor contract trying to do those jobs when there's people trying to do this work in America.
Speaker A:You can't bring in cheaper people from outside.
Speaker A:So a big deal then and a big deal now, which is why I think this is so interesting.
Speaker A:So now they have enough evidence to bring charges against him.
Speaker A:But the Scott still get to Texas and when they get there they're like, you know, maybe it wasn't as great as everybody said it was going to be.
Speaker B:Quite.
Speaker A:It's not quite.
Speaker A:We were.
Speaker B:Hold on.
Speaker B:Texas was just as great as they said it would be.
Speaker A:Taxes.
Speaker B:But the deal that they were given was not as great as they were told.
Speaker B:Yeah, just to be clear.
Speaker A:But also some of them weren't exactly honest about their skills either.
Speaker A:So there's a bunch of men who don't know what they're doing.
Speaker A:So the people who don't know what they're doing are not only making it more dangerous, are also like making it harder for other people to work because they're fucking up their tools.
Speaker A:They're just like wasting time.
Speaker A:Time.
Speaker A:They're only earning like 27 cents per hour.
Speaker A:And the blacksmiths got paid more.
Speaker A:That was kind of different.
Speaker B:But still.
Speaker A:But they were still like also they were just bitter about everything that happens.
Speaker A:Like, well, we were told about all this shit, so they already came in feeling kind of shitty.
Speaker A:And also it's 80 to 90 degrees and they're working in a rock quarry or working at the capitol, depending on which part they were at.
Speaker B:But still that's a little warmer than Scotland.
Speaker A:A little warmer than Scotland.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And so some people just started leaving and so Wilkie was like, oh well, we have convicts.
Speaker A:So even though he wasn't supposed to bring them, he ends up bringing in more convicts and doubles their money, employing hundreds coring and cutting stone.
Speaker A:And by October, 350 convicts were employed.
Speaker A:They you basically slept in like this wooden built structure.
Speaker A:It's not even like a building which is a structure on the capitol grounds and where they were basically to watch by their guards and the guards dogs and just forced to do labor and addition to like the work done by those also inside.
Speaker A:The iron work that was used to make the dome, columns, gates and interior decorative work was fashion from prisoners at the foundry at Rest State Prison, which I think is also really, really interesting.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So but they also did try to get some more Scots to come over.
Speaker A:They're like, yeah, we can find more of these idiots and like 15 more do come.
Speaker A:But between like the comics and the some people who knew what they were doing, like, things did start progressing.
Speaker A:And by 18, most of like the walls and the ornamental Work was done.
Speaker A:The dome was.
Speaker A:But that union was still going after Wilkie and the Austin syndicate, who is overly responsible for the project through the Austin courts.
Speaker A:And even some of these Scots were testifying against them.
Speaker A:But they're also like, we're going to leave the country, so what the fuck does it matter?
Speaker B:Who cares?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Who gives a shit?
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:But, like, how do things go back and forth and because politics.
Speaker A:By the time it goes to trial, Wilkie is the only one who's on there.
Speaker A:And so he's fined $1,000 for each illegally imported and had total fines of about $64,000.
Speaker A:But because of government and politics and men, it ended up being only $8,000 in court costs, and the union was displeased to somebody.
Speaker A:But really, this was the first real contract labor law trial in the United States.
Speaker A:And it actually inspired a House inquiry into violations of this legislation and actually put in some more different things going for it.
Speaker A:Um, Austin continued to finish the building on cost.
Speaker A:Skyright skyrocketed to $3 billion from the estimated 1.5.
Speaker A: That's: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Expensive.
Speaker A:And then, like, they had to redesign the dome because it kind of fucked up and it was too heavy to function, and it was gonna, like, fall down and kill people.
Speaker B:So, like, architecturally, a dome is like an incredibly strong structure, unless you don't know what the fuck you're doing.
Speaker B:Doing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Remember, remember a lot of these people, like, this is built by confidence.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, so it's kind of awesome.
Speaker A:Like, these men figured their shit out to make this happen.
Speaker A:I think that's a really cool part of the story.
Speaker B:And it's not really the focus of it, but it's an aspect of it that's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, these guys, like, it sucked.
Speaker A:It was awful for them, but they made a beautiful thing.
Speaker A:But still, they didn't do it quite right.
Speaker A:And, like, when they had, like, the dedication in the gala to do it, like, it was raining, and all the rain started coming through the Capitol building onto the people.
Speaker A:Like in the.
Speaker A:Ballroom dancing is hilarious.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A: deemed accessible in December: Speaker A:And then the story continues from there.
Speaker A:But Janine in her book said, you know, like, all the orbs and all the things that you see on the ground, a lot of these may be from the workers.
Speaker A:And there were a number of workers who died.
Speaker A:Died in that.
Speaker A:That we don't really.
Speaker A:Yeah, the ghost stories say, like, 10 people have died in the Austin Capitol building, and there's only like four that were like well known in the stories and if I had time I would have dug through and found the other ones.
Speaker A:But I don't weak guys.
Speaker A:So that's as much as we're getting.
Speaker A:But I thought you would enjoy that story of one of the most haunted buildings in Texas.
Speaker A:That is one of your favorite buildings and it is, it's a cool building.
Speaker B:Yeah, the grounds are lovely.
Speaker B:I mean if you, I mean I'm not saying.
Speaker B:And like I know not everybody that would listen.
Speaker B:I'm not going to be like rah, rah, go to the Texas Capitol.
Speaker B:But it's a cool building.
Speaker B:It's a cool downtown area and it's a really pretty grounds there.
Speaker B:And yeah, if you're, if you're around, it's worth a quick.
Speaker B:At least a drive by.
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker A:Well and go.
Speaker A:Don't.
Speaker A:No, don't do a job by it.
Speaker B:Drive by it.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Not commit a drive by shooting.
Speaker B:I mean to drive by the property, look for ghosts.
Speaker A:And during October they do the RMP RIP Tour.
Speaker A:And maybe if you're down here we'll do it during the daytime.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But basically that tour is talking about people who died there and the ghosts and things because it makes a lot of money.
Speaker B:I'm sure sometimes they have like the state archives have.
Speaker B:Or they're on site there and sometimes they have some really cool displays.
Speaker B:There's a lot of really neat aspects to it.
Speaker B:If you're into ghosts and or history.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:All the things, all the things that we love and adore.
Speaker A:Like yeah, I managed to get Texas, Scotland and ghosts into one story like I was.
Speaker B:And labor and economics of labor relationship.
Speaker A:And also like yeah, you have prison labor.
Speaker A:I got convicts in there.
Speaker A:Like I like if there had been like a convict love story, like that's the only thing that like would have like love after lockup.
Speaker A:If that had happened like somewhere in here.
Speaker A:I'm sure there's.
Speaker A:If you were.
Speaker A:If there is a story of your family there.
Speaker A:But I don't know.
Speaker A:And just the use of college labor, which is still something that happens now in a lot of places.
Speaker A:You know, more like the most infamous ones are, you know, places like in Louisiana where you know, it's pretty much just as like fucking plantation shit, you know.
Speaker A:And it's very controversial.
Speaker A:But I think it's interesting to know how long it's been controversial and just as you know, also like how unions.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:I just thought it was cool and it was one of those things where I knew I was doing Texas capital.
Speaker A:And then I, like, dove into research last night when I drove myself away from work and I was like, I will stop researching at 10pm and I'm like, fuck.
Speaker A:Damn it.
Speaker A:I'm still here.
Speaker A:So good.
Speaker A:Still here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So now we're gonna see where Dean is living now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So something about.
Speaker B:I was gonna say, like, a little bit about Dean's character.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna say I get a little American Psycho vibe.
Speaker B:Did you get that at all?
Speaker B:The apartment.
Speaker B:And I think the striped shirt really did it, I think.
Speaker B:But just in general, like, the.
Speaker A:Until now.
Speaker A:But yeah, I'm definitely, you know, I.
Speaker B:Was getting a little bit of that vibe.
Speaker B:But anyways, the apartment doesn't help.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:I mean, it's not that sterile, but it's close.
Speaker B:So anyway, so Dean doesn't have any food to give to Sam because it's more.
Speaker A:It's more.
Speaker A:Sam wanted a beer.
Speaker A:And Dean's house is like, I don't have any carbs in here.
Speaker A:Like, oh.
Speaker A:Never trust a person who doesn't have carbs in their house.
Speaker B:Never.
Speaker B:But Sam.
Speaker B:The funny question that Sam asked Dean is, how did you know that ghosts are scared of wrenches?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And Dean's all impressed with Sam's ability to kick in the door.
Speaker B:And Sam has no idea how he knew how to do that.
Speaker B:But Sam's like, man, it feels like we've done this before.
Speaker B:It's just like.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:You know, I don't really feel like I belong in a cubicle.
Speaker B:And we kind of get this.
Speaker B:This is kind of where this theme starts with Sam.
Speaker B:He kind of says it here, and he kind of continues this.
Speaker A:He kind of says it here.
Speaker A:And this is where this episode really started digging in.
Speaker A:And I could probably start.
Speaker A:Give all these things to a therapist and just like, scra.
Speaker A:Match out Sam and put Liz.
Speaker A:And he's.
Speaker B:A funny comment that Dean responds with.
Speaker A:Is, I think most people that work that way.
Speaker A:They do.
Speaker B:They do.
Speaker A:I'm like, But Sam's just like, no, I don't like my clothes.
Speaker A:I don't like my town.
Speaker A:I don't like my last name.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because it's Wes.
Speaker A:Wes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's like, I don't feel like.
Speaker B:I feel like I should be doing something else.
Speaker B:And that's all there is.
Speaker A:Something's in my blood.
Speaker A:Haven't you ever felt that way?
Speaker A:And he's like, no.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean doesn't believe.
Speaker B:Expresses that he doesn't believe in destiny and that he's Going to deal with right.
Speaker B:What's right in front of him.
Speaker B:He's going to do.
Speaker B:He calls Sam Sammy at this point, which is interesting little point, and then says he's going to do what he does best, research.
Speaker A:Which we know was hilarious because it's Sammy's job.
Speaker A:And then Sam's like, did you just call me Sammy?
Speaker A:Don't.
Speaker B:Yeah, he was not happy about that.
Speaker A:Don't ever call me Lizzy.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:But Dean, what do they find on the Internet?
Speaker A:The best site ever.
Speaker A:Your favorites.
Speaker A:Ghost.
Speaker A:Ghost Facers.
Speaker B:And they have instructional videos on their website about how to hunt ghosts.
Speaker B:And step one is figure out what you're up against.
Speaker A:Against.
Speaker A:So they researched the ghost.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it is PT Sandover.
Speaker B: er of the company, lived from: Speaker B:And there's the article that they're reading, says basically he was a really difficult person to work for in a perfectionist.
Speaker B:And they're like, yeah, this ghost, this is the ghost.
Speaker B:And he was a fucking workaholic.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B: And in: Speaker B: In: Speaker B: le jumped out of buildings in: Speaker B:And they're like.
Speaker B:He's like, yeah, but Sandover had 17, which is like a significant.
Speaker A:That seems like a lot.
Speaker A:That seems like a lot of people.
Speaker B:So basically they're like, they're now trying to piece together that Sandover, the ghost.
Speaker B:Sandover is active during times of economic distress.
Speaker B:Dress this one.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, it's a little close.
Speaker B:And he's kind of watching over the company and this.
Speaker B:And they're saying that the current.
Speaker B:At the time of this episode, it was the worst economic situation since the Great Depression.
Speaker B:And yeah.
Speaker A:And then all my notes just, oh, baby, honey, you have no idea.
Speaker B:About his portfolio.
Speaker B:And I'm just like, oh, God.
Speaker B:Anyways, so Sandover is basically.
Speaker B:They figure out the ghost.
Speaker B:Sandover is trying to create model employees who are so committed to the company.
Speaker B:Company that if they fail, they kill themselves.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B: And that: Speaker B:And that used to be the top floor of the building.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:So moving on.
Speaker B:Ghostfacer's next step.
Speaker B:After you've identified what you're after, they have instructions on how to kill a ghost with salt.
Speaker B:It's like acid for ghosts, but Bernie salt, not like LSD burning acid.
Speaker A:Not lsd.
Speaker A:It's a bad trip for ghosts.
Speaker A:And I was like, yeah, fine.
Speaker A:Yeah, fun.
Speaker B:So funny.
Speaker A:It's even better.
Speaker B:And iron as we've known.
Speaker B:And that they.
Speaker B:That's how they figure.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, that's why the wrench worked.
Speaker B:But they also start to reference tricks learned from the douchebags that we hate.
Speaker B:The Winchesters, our favorite, you know, rock salt shotgun shells.
Speaker B:But they're like, yeah, it's very effective.
Speaker B:But Winchester still suck at ass, though.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was just like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:I also thought they let them say suck ass on the air.
Speaker A:Like, good for this.
Speaker A:That one getting through.
Speaker A:But it was just like.
Speaker A:And then as like affirmative suckage major.
Speaker A:And then they start putting things into a Guffel bag and they're just like, how does one even get a gun?
Speaker A:It just seems impossible.
Speaker A:There's like, oh, wait, what state are you on?
Speaker A:Then Ed and Harry have this fantastic tip.
Speaker A:And the 4.
Speaker A:4 Mentioned super annoying Winchester douche nozzles.
Speaker A:So good.
Speaker A:They also taught us one thing.
Speaker A:And it's just like, you had to burn the remains.
Speaker A:And then Harry is like, okay, it's gross.
Speaker A:You gotta take out the body.
Speaker A:Sorry, it's.
Speaker A:And it adds like, it's illegal in some states.
Speaker A:States.
Speaker B:And then they clarify it's legal in all states.
Speaker A:All states.
Speaker A:Possibly all states.
Speaker A:I love Ghostbusters so much.
Speaker A:And then Sam's just like, but Sandovar was cremated.
Speaker B:Then you get the tip that you have to find something else.
Speaker A:I think, I think a hair in a locket maybe.
Speaker A:Fingernails, baby teeth, milk teeth.
Speaker A:And that's just like, ew.
Speaker A:And Harry's also like, ew, genetic material.
Speaker A:You know what we're talking about.
Speaker A:Also like, this is the only time I've ever heard the term milk teeth.
Speaker A:And I never want to hear it again.
Speaker A:Why is that term so gross?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker A:I very much hate it very much.
Speaker B:Luckily, we move on from this and Sam and Dean are back at their office building with their duffel bag and their walkie talkies set up on their phone.
Speaker A:Do they still have that, the walkie.
Speaker B:Talkie feature on your phone?
Speaker A:Yeah, I think it looks like I do.
Speaker B:But I don't really know how to use it.
Speaker B:It's stupid.
Speaker A:My note says, I want that between me and you, Diana.
Speaker A:So I can one scare the dogs and make them sing to save a random shit that I do all day.
Speaker A:But I can just like.
Speaker A:I just like.
Speaker A:It was like texting, like, I know you're on the couch and then just like walkie talkie and just start going.
Speaker B:Like, oh my gosh.
Speaker B:So Kevin the dog is the howler in the group.
Speaker B:And Kevin the dog is, um.
Speaker B:Does think that the weekly or monthly tornado alarm is his.
Speaker B:The tests that they do is.
Speaker B:They think he thinks that that's like a call.
Speaker B:Like every time it happens now he like sings along with it.
Speaker B:Like, even if he's laying down, like he wouldn't.
Speaker B:Now he won't even.
Speaker B:Like sometimes he'll get up and like walk around to it, but other times he'll just like lay there and doesn't even get up.
Speaker B:But he's like, how's laying there, do you think?
Speaker A:Like once a month he's like, oh yeah, it's almost time for my song.
Speaker A:So my friend's going to call me.
Speaker A:A friend's going to.
Speaker A:There he is.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Sing together all.
Speaker A:So they're in the room and they're looking for DNA.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they're not having any luck at all.
Speaker B:And then a security guard walks in.
Speaker B:So Sam gets busted while Dean hides.
Speaker B:And yeah, security guard takes Sam to the elevator.
Speaker B:And while they're in the elevator, bad shit happens.
Speaker B:We get a static screen, we get some fog breath and the elevator stops.
Speaker B:Son of a bitch.
Speaker B:There's going to be a ghost though.
Speaker B:The guard uses like his little key to pry the door open.
Speaker B:He's like, mm, yeah.
Speaker B:Last time it took like two hours to get someone out of here when this broke.
Speaker B:So I'm climbing out and climbs out to floor 10.
Speaker A:Would you do this?
Speaker B:I've got mixed feelings.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:It scares the shit out of me.
Speaker B:To climb out, but also like an elevator, Like I don't know.
Speaker A:No, I just know like as I'm crawling out, the elevator is going to start and my legs are going to get sliced in half as is going to happen to the souch bag.
Speaker A:As he comes in and says, I don't have the recipe.
Speaker B:My life he starts to try to get.
Speaker B:So we get.
Speaker B:First off we get.
Speaker B:We get a cut to Back to Dean of.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:Still searching the room and he finds a photo of this bridge that like, that was like, I guess stand.
Speaker B:Stand over his like big like first project that made him like famous or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it makes him think about something.
Speaker A:Yeah, he has an idea.
Speaker B:He has an idea because now we get our douchebag guard who's trying to get Sam to climb out of the elevator.
Speaker B:And the elevator shifts and.
Speaker B:And it cuts him in half and his.
Speaker B:And There's a really big blood splatter on Sam's face.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I still.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Every time I say blood splatter, I have to say pitter patter now.
Speaker B:So now it's pitter patter.
Speaker B:Blood splatter, patter.
Speaker A:Blood splatter.
Speaker B:And his.
Speaker B:Sam's, like, frozen, freaking out, like, where he's, like, panicking inside but doesn't move.
Speaker B:And the guard's legs, like, kick on for a while, which is a little distressing and maybe unnecessary.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:I mean, I would say a chicken does that.
Speaker A:I mean, why would.
Speaker A:Wouldn't it?
Speaker B:I just doesn't mean it's necessary.
Speaker B:So Dean radios and asks if Sam's okay.
Speaker B:And Sam, like, responds.
Speaker B:Just says, call you back.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, so they're there, and, like, they finally, like, they're talking.
Speaker A:And so Sam.
Speaker A:Steve's like, yeah, meet me at 22.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, okay, just take the stairs.
Speaker A:And I'm like, wait, you're on floor 10.
Speaker A:And that was 4.
Speaker A:22.
Speaker B:That's a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I'm just gonna risk being decapitated.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:I'm just taking the elevator.
Speaker A:That's 12 flights of stairs.
Speaker B:A lot of flights of stairs.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:No, man.
Speaker B:So Dean gets there, and Sam's wiped off a lot of the blood, but not all of it.
Speaker B:And Dean says, that's a whole lot of blood.
Speaker B:And Sam's response, yeah, I know.
Speaker B:But they don't have any other conversation about it.
Speaker B:And I think that was kind of awful odd at this point, but whatever.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Well, maybe they're just like.
Speaker A:Dean's just like, I just accept this.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I mean, I probably wouldn't be like, who died?
Speaker A:But Ernest baby's like, oh, security guard.
Speaker A:I guess I knew.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they basically.
Speaker B:Dean figured out that I guess on the 22nd floor, they built, like, this little, like, historical museum of the company.
Speaker B:And in this little glass case are Sandover's gloves.
Speaker B:So that's where they're convinced there must be some genetic material.
Speaker B:So that is a good idea.
Speaker B:Idea.
Speaker B:Good call.
Speaker B:And Sam said, asks Dean if he's ready.
Speaker B:He responds, I have no idea.
Speaker B:So they break the glass.
Speaker B:But right when they do, you get breath fog again.
Speaker B:And old man goes to text Dean.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And he's about to finger Sam.
Speaker A:And Sam throws salt on him.
Speaker A:And it works.
Speaker B:And so we get, like, in the silly dance of them both with the fire poker sticks and fighting this old man ghost back and forth as he pops up in and out.
Speaker B:It's just really weird.
Speaker A:And then until it's Dean's turn to be fingered.
Speaker A:But Sam burns the gloves just in time.
Speaker B:Just in time.
Speaker B:Just in time.
Speaker B:And Sam says that was amazing.
Speaker B:Dean's like, right?
Speaker B:And they're getting a first aid kit.
Speaker B:Dean tells Sam that's the most fun he's ever had in his life.
Speaker B:And it was a workout because he's still a douche.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, we should keep doing this.
Speaker B:And Dean like is making a joke about like haha, like the ghost face.
Speaker B:Serious.
Speaker B:But Sam's fucking serious.
Speaker B:Sam wants to do this shit.
Speaker B:And there's.
Speaker B:There's some good meta comment here.
Speaker B:I think that you.
Speaker B:I'm sure you had like what?
Speaker B:Dean's making like a sarcastic remark.
Speaker B:Like what?
Speaker B:Like live on stolen credit cards, eat diner food, stay at the same motel, share motel room every night.
Speaker A:Yeah, well also like it was very like eating diner food drenched and saturated fats.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Sharing a crap motel room every night.
Speaker A:And then Sam's like, those are details.
Speaker A:Like details are everything.
Speaker A:You don't want to go fighting ghosts without any help insurance.
Speaker A:Which is accurate.
Speaker A:But at the same time I'm like also very specific.
Speaker A:I'm like as my.
Speaker A:My first thoughts of I'm going to live a life in a road will not go to diner foods or motels or selling credit cards for that matter.
Speaker A:Like, that is not where my mind goes with how do I survive and make money?
Speaker A:I will do commit fraud.
Speaker B:That's not where.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's not option one.
Speaker A:Yeah, maybe it is a different person than Eugene.
Speaker A:But that's not where my brain goes to first.
Speaker A:But then Dan, Dan.
Speaker A:Sam says confession and then I'm just like you.
Speaker A:Like anytime anybody says you want to hear that nothing good's coming after that.
Speaker B:He's having the dreams about the ghost, about fighting them with you.
Speaker B:We were hunters.
Speaker B:We were friends, but we were like brothers.
Speaker B:And what if that's who we really are?
Speaker B:What if this isn't really our life and this kind of turn spirals into this whole thing of like their brains were scrambled by the ghosts.
Speaker B:And maybe this really isn't what we're doing.
Speaker B:But Dean's like, no, I. I have a dad named Bob and mom and.
Speaker A:A sister, but they're very specific.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I went to Stanford.
Speaker B:Stanford?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:My father's name is Bob, my mother's name is Ellen and my sister's name is Joe.
Speaker A:So we've got Joe and Ellen, you like so obviously very much callbacks to it and.
Speaker A:But Sam's like, yo, when did you last talk to them?
Speaker A:And then he's got a girlfriend that he broke up with and her name was Madison.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he wants to, but he tried to call.
Speaker B:And the phone number that he has is to an animal hospital.
Speaker B:So this is why Sam doesn't think that their lives are real.
Speaker B:And Sam's just like, I think we're supposed to be doing something else.
Speaker B:You know, you're not just a corporate douchebag.
Speaker B:I know you.
Speaker B:Dean's like, you don't know me, pal.
Speaker A:You should go.
Speaker A:You don't know me.
Speaker A:That's my purse.
Speaker B:I don't know you.
Speaker B:But yeah, same.
Speaker A:No, I know it is.
Speaker A:It works me.
Speaker A:It does work.
Speaker B:It's no works.
Speaker B:So the next morning at work, you can tell Sam is sitting in his fucking cubicle.
Speaker B:And he is not a happy camper.
Speaker B:He's not answering his fucking tech support calls.
Speaker B:He is giving up.
Speaker B:And he does probably what everybody that's ever worked in a call center or tech support in their life has ever wanted to do.
Speaker B:And he stands up with the.
Speaker B:With the fire poker and smashes his fucking phone.
Speaker A:He rage quiz.
Speaker A:Because the tech support line is just ringing and it's just too much.
Speaker A:It's too much.
Speaker A:He quits.
Speaker A:You glorious fucking bastard.
Speaker A:Everett.
Speaker A:Good rage quit, man.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Just fills me with so much joy.
Speaker A:Everybody.
Speaker A:Oh, when you get to do one, like, they're very few and far between, but damn, does a rage quit feel so good.
Speaker A:So we're gonna go to dean's office.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Mr. Adler walks in.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he walks in.
Speaker B:He asked Dean how he's feeling, it's important that you're happy.
Speaker B:And writes down this number and said, hey, I'd like to give you this bonus.
Speaker B:Really don't want you to leave.
Speaker B:We really want you to be happy here.
Speaker B:And you know, you could totally be a senior VP in like eight, 10 years.
Speaker B:You're just gonna be like pulling like, you know, seven day a week, you know, days and eating lunch at your desk.
Speaker A:And I just think because you're just like, la, la, la, la la.
Speaker A:And I am spiraling as this is happening.
Speaker A:I was literally crying in tears, shaking, holding myself, because he's just like, you're going to have to work seven days.
Speaker B:A week if you want to be the Senior VP in age 10 years.
Speaker B:You don't want to be the Senior.
Speaker A:VP, but only to get to be a fucking Senior VP.
Speaker A:So you're going to do your fucking job seven days a week, lunch at your desk, like if you get to eat lunch, like, that's like, what, you get to go get your food.
Speaker A:Like, oh, motherfucker.
Speaker A:Like, you like, what?
Speaker A:I don't get to eat till like, 3 o' clock in the afternoon?
Speaker A:And then you had to do this or all the time.
Speaker A:And then you only get to be senior vp.
Speaker A:And this is where I decided that needed a trigger warning.
Speaker A:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker B:I thought they were making this, like, an exceptional exaggeration for a point, but.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:This is the reality I live in.
Speaker A:You don't understand.
Speaker B:You don't understand.
Speaker A:This is real.
Speaker A:But Dean is just like.
Speaker A:No, Dean is.
Speaker B:At first, he's like, super into it.
Speaker B:But you see him, his, like, his attitude about it kind of change as he's pondering it.
Speaker B:And he looks down, he thanks him, but he puts the bonus note down and says, nope, I'm giving my notice.
Speaker B:And I really just recently realized I have other work that I need to do that's very important.
Speaker B:And I'm not going to work for another company.
Speaker B:It's just this.
Speaker B:This is not who I'm supposed to be.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A:No, this isn't who I'm supposed to be.
Speaker A:Fuck.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Fucking this, like, ran, like, so much to yourself.
Speaker A:So much tears.
Speaker A:But Adler boops it, stands up and.
Speaker B:Says, dean, Dean, Dean, finally, and gives him a forehead boop.
Speaker B:Forehead boop.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So if someone would like to come along to my head and boot me and take me back to the reality where this is not my reality.
Speaker A:And it's going to get worse.
Speaker A:It's about to get, like, way, way worse.
Speaker B:Very upset that he's wearing a tie and is very hungry.
Speaker B:Which are both very true.
Speaker A:And also the color of the episode changes.
Speaker A:We go, right?
Speaker A:It goes from being super bright, saturated.
Speaker A:It's dim now.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:The boss, Mr. Adler, says welcome back.
Speaker B:And his act is actually not his.
Speaker B:Mr. Adler from, you know, this company.
Speaker B:It's Zachariah.
Speaker B:And he is Castiel, superior in the angel higher hierarchy.
Speaker B:And he had to come visit after the whole Uriel shit went down.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Indeed.
Speaker A:Realizes he got touched by an angel.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:He's not happy about this at all.
Speaker A:I love that Zachariah calls his meat suit a smelly thing.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And he's just like, what the fuck?
Speaker A:This was a fucking lesson.
Speaker B:It makes comment about how creative it was.
Speaker B:And this is where we get a fun line from our Zachariah Raya, played by Kurt Fuller, about decoupage.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And he's like, you should see my Decoupage.
Speaker A:And it sounds gross.
Speaker A:And Gene's like, gross, no.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:So, Kurt Fuller, I think we want to talk here just a little about who he was.
Speaker A:And just amazing that he comes into the project here.
Speaker B:He's been in, like, everything at some point.
Speaker B:That's just kind of like you've seen him somewhere.
Speaker B: Hardemeyer in Ghostbusters in: Speaker B:He was also a character, ongoing character on TV show called Rosewood that I watched and then plenty of other things.
Speaker A:He's just a fucking everything.
Speaker A:He really is.
Speaker A:Even Jensen Ackles was just like, you know, he's in a million things.
Speaker A:And when he got the opportunity to come on here, Fuller said all he had to do was look up Supernatural online and see the following that it has and the success that it's had and was like, absolutely.
Speaker A:This is obviously a very successful show.
Speaker A:Why would I want.
Speaker A:Why would I not want to be a part of it?
Speaker A:It's a n pat on the back.
Speaker A:And so one thing to know, like, if every time anybody asks Mr. Fuller if he has done any decoupage, he says, no, and I never will.
Speaker A:So he's very adamant about that.
Speaker A:And Jensen also just thought it was really great to work with him, so.
Speaker A:But now we have possibly.
Speaker A:We've introduced new.
Speaker A:A new angel.
Speaker A:A new angel.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he explains to Dean, though, that, no, this is a real place, and this is a real haunting.
Speaker B:We just dropped you in here to prove to yourself that your path is what you're supposed to be on, that you are hunters.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:It's not something removable.
Speaker B:It's something, you know it's not.
Speaker B:It's where you're supposed to be.
Speaker B:It's the path you're supposed to be on.
Speaker B:And that Dean will be successful because he will.
Speaker B:Stop.
Speaker B:It doesn't really say what it is.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But you.
Speaker B:And that when Dean asks, he kind of just goes on to say, you will do everything that you're destined to do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And still, like, that's still not specific enough.
Speaker A:And I agree on this, too, that I'm kind of.
Speaker A:I would also be like, can you stop being vague?
Speaker A:Can you tell me specifically what it is you want me to do?
Speaker A:Because maybe it's just, like, I need to make, like, French toast, right?
Speaker A:Or, you know, I need to learn how to flip and flip an omelet, which I still think I can never do.
Speaker A:But, I mean, so at least, like, he would know what he's working for.
Speaker A:Rather than.
Speaker A:And just a stupid destiny thing.
Speaker A:But then he just makes.
Speaker B:Then he makes some digs about his self doubt and daddy issues.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:In the face.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean could cold cock him with his words and he's like, angel or not, I will still stab you in the face.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:And then Zachariah says this thing and I really hate this because all I have to do is remove two words.
Speaker A:And this is me.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker A:So Zachariah says you get to save the world.
Speaker A:Drive.
Speaker A:Bitching.
Speaker A:Drive a bitching car and fuck women.
Speaker A:This isn't a curse, it's a gift.
Speaker A:Look around.
Speaker A:There are fates worse than yours.
Speaker A:Stop waiting.
Speaker A:And fuck you, Zachariah, for hitting like way too on the head.
Speaker A:Because all you have to do is take out fuck women.
Speaker A:And that's me.
Speaker A:And I should just stop whining and just do my goddamn job and just stop playing with me being tired.
Speaker A:But off.
Speaker A:Off.
Speaker A:Zachariah.
Speaker A:You meh.
Speaker A:You didn't want that motivational speech.
Speaker A:No, I don't want motivational speech.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:That's how the episode.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:And like, it will end with Zachariah being like, so you win.
Speaker A:Like, are you ready to stand up?
Speaker A:Be who you really are?
Speaker A:And then it stops and then it just ends.
Speaker A:But he still doesn't say, hey, like, who you are.
Speaker A:Like, it's so vague.
Speaker B:Well, they're hunters and that he's gonna.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:And they know that it's about Lucifer in the apocalypse.
Speaker B:And it's just whatever's destined to be will be.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:Well, I guess maybe it's like, oh, hunt.
Speaker A:Like he's just going to be hunting Lucifer.
Speaker A:I mean, I do like, love the.
Speaker A:This is like, what do you pull.
Speaker A:You strip everything back.
Speaker A:No matter what happens, this is you.
Speaker A:This is who you are.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker B:Which is probably.
Speaker B:That's probably something somewhat reassuring, honestly, because I think.
Speaker A:Yeah, it is.
Speaker A:I want them to be like, this is who you are.
Speaker A:Like, that's a human, like, deepest philosophical question.
Speaker A:Who am I?
Speaker A:And now you've got an angel coming in and saying like, this is who you are.
Speaker B:Can I.
Speaker A:Can I get that one?
Speaker B:Can I get one of those, please?
Speaker A:This will go like God, destiny sounds so nice, doesn't it?
Speaker A:Like, you just do it.
Speaker A:Just do your destiny and you just follow it.
Speaker A:Like, here's your plan.
Speaker A:Have fun.
Speaker A:You have a place, man.
Speaker A:Oh, now I'm depressed.
Speaker A:That was already depressed.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:All right,.
Speaker A:So I can't wait to hear.
Speaker A:I honestly, I love this episode.
Speaker A:I think it's so cleverly written.
Speaker A:I think that meta is fantastic.
Speaker A:I've got get some goat face, Ghost face, Goat facers.
Speaker A:But ghost facers in there like.
Speaker A:And we've done so well.
Speaker A:Like it's just.
Speaker A:I think it's.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I really enjoyed this episode as well.
Speaker B:I think it was super fun.
Speaker B:I think it was on.
Speaker B:I think it was important to the storyline as a viewer because it's been kind of like fucking depressing for a few.
Speaker B:And while this one was not like sunshiny, at least had enough camp and like fun to it.
Speaker B:And then having a little motivational speech there at the end was kind of a positive because I think it was important for Dean to know who he like what his mission was.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean he's obviously been losing like he has just been in lost focus.
Speaker B:He's been very lost.
Speaker A:He's got.
Speaker A:Got the enwee.
Speaker A:His ennui has been great.
Speaker A:I. I am not, you know, I am not strong enough.
Speaker A:I'm weak.
Speaker A:My brother is sucking demon blood for.
Speaker B:Some reason know that but he just knows he's hanging out with.
Speaker A:My brother's weird.
Speaker A:My brother's a demon.
Speaker A:I don't know, like it's all very strange, but.
Speaker A:And then now I have like.
Speaker A:I don't know generally like slapping people around does.
Speaker A:Is not good motivation.
Speaker A:I don't think I've tried that as a leader.
Speaker A:Not usually.
Speaker A:Sometimes you just need to hit people.
Speaker A:People sticks.
Speaker B:But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:Too legal.
Speaker B:Usually too.
Speaker A:In most states.
Speaker A:Most states in all states.
Speaker A:Possibly all states.
Speaker B:Well, I have a couple teensy tiny casting notes just to the most important obviously was Kurt Fuller.
Speaker B:So I do have a couple others.
Speaker B:So for Ian is was played by Jack Plotnick.
Speaker B:He played like a gazillion roles on Reno911.
Speaker B:One which I think is hilarious.
Speaker B:He also was Mr. Pups in the Mystery Men movie.
Speaker B:And he was an accountant in the movie Rubber, which was a really weird Rubber.
Speaker B:It's like a real weird movie about like a homicidal tire rolling down a highway.
Speaker B:It's a thing.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's like.
Speaker B:It's like a crappy horror movie, I guess.
Speaker A:But I'm excited about that.
Speaker A:That sounds great.
Speaker B:And then Paul Dunbar was played by Richard Seid.
Speaker B:This our gentleman that microwaved his head.
Speaker B:And he was the elf teacher in.
Speaker A:The movie Elf, which is Diana's favorite Christmas movie.
Speaker B:I love that movie so much.
Speaker B:Anyways, so there we go.
Speaker B:That's what I got.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, thanks for that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we will talk to you guys soon.
Speaker A:Who knows what will happen between when now and this episode drops.
Speaker A:Because there's four days and given the way it rolls, old goes never know.
Speaker A:Buckle in.
Speaker A:So we are so I guess in preparing for that, like we always do.
Speaker A:I welcome my new robot overlords.
Speaker A:I welcome my new lizard overlords.
Speaker A:I will also exchange.
Speaker A:What do I have?
Speaker A:I will exchange excessive ramen packages for toilet paper.
Speaker B:No, I'll be in a bunker.
Speaker B:All right, all right.
Speaker A:Cheers.
Speaker A:Jerk.
Speaker B:Cheers.
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